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Post by sirfredperry Tue 06 Aug 2013, 9:37 am

First topic message reminder :

They're all at it again on Friday. Just as England are likely to chuck in a bad performance when everyone expects them to win (Leeds 09, Perth 2010/11, Manchester 2013) they usually bounce back next Test (Lord's and Oval 09, Melbourne 2010/11).
I'm taking England to win one of the last two Tests to ensure a series victory. Onions, it seems, will come in and that could be a good move. Still think this is not a very strong Australia team. It's just that they were an average team playing poorly in the first two Test while at Manchester they were an average team playing well.
Before Manchester, we were asking if Australia could improve/get back into the series. Well they certainly achieved the former if not the latter. Now we could ask - Can England start firing on all cylinders ?

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Post by alfie Mon 12 Aug 2013, 12:57 pm

...since you just know Hill will blunder later on , you really should keep reviews for stone cold certainties.
Have to keep the remaining one on ice now.

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Post by GSC Mon 12 Aug 2013, 12:57 pm

Worth just reviewing any Hill decision at this point.
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Post by msp83 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:01 pm

The Australian openers manage to see that mini session through without damage. England need to make the new ball really count.

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:01 pm

288 needed with all the wickets in hand....Eng bowlers did not make any impression.

EVEN session.....match still 65-35 standing Eng's way
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Post by msp83 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:04 pm

With Hill's calls there is always that not so unfair temptation to review. But they really have to keep their reviews safe enough, sooner or later, he's bound to have a couple of wrong calls.

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Post by Duty281 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:04 pm

A nice little boost that for Australia, successfully seeing off those 5 overs without loss. England have shown that the best way to bat on this pitch is with intent, and maybe if Australia do that then Cook will have one eye on the runs to win column. Still massively in England's hands though.

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Post by alfie Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:10 pm

Hmm. England didn't put it out of reach...

But 299 is a tough ask. Enough balls did things for Harris - and even Lyon ! - to suggest batting in this fourth innings may not be any picnic.

By the way , apologies for not posting on this for the second half of yesterday , despite the fascinating swing of fortunes. Was just too busy , with one eye on this and the other watching events in Moscow.
So belated congratulations to Ian Bell , for yet another vital and quite excellent century clap 

Thought Bairstow did his job too ,and got a nasty ball at the end...and of course this morning was the Tim B show...

Could still be a tight match to the end. Bit like Trent Bridge ?

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Post by djkbrown2001 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:11 pm

Its quite interesting. England could be 3-0 up by close of play today. Looking at the Englands batting averages for the series this is quite remarkable. Bell apart, not one batsman averages over 40.

Cook 218 @ 27 avg
Root 260 @37
Trott 194@ 24
KP 276 @34
Ball 500@ 500 @71
Bairstow 203 @29
Prior 86@14

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/match/566935.html

Ian Bell is the difference.

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:15 pm

djkbrown2001 wrote:Its quite interesting. England could be 3-0 up by close of play today. Looking at the Englands batting averages for the series this is quite remarkable. Bell apart, not one batsman averages over 40.

Cook 218 @ 27 avg
Root 260 @37
Trott 194@ 24
KP 276 @34
Ball 500@ 500 @71
Bairstow 203 @29
Prior 86@14

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013/engine/match/566935.html

Ian Bell is the difference.
you should add Braid and Swann and Bresnan also to that list...and you will see the shortfall of 5 regulars has been made up by the handy contributions from 8,9 and 10
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Post by Guest Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:20 pm

KP_fan wrote:you should add Braid and Swann and Bresnan also to that list...and you will see the shortfall of 5 regulars has been made up by the handy contributions from 8,9 and 10
Broad 28, Bresnan 26, Swann 23 - how mad is it that Broad has a higher average than the two previously-thought best batsmen?

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Post by alfie Mon 12 Aug 2013, 1:21 pm

Well the Australian averages tell a similar tale , I think ...without looking at them I would think some bowlers feature quite prominently.

Has been a bowlers' series so far , with the possible exception of Old Trafford. Not minefield pitches , but not comfortable either. And both sides have decent bowling resources.

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Post by Duty281 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:04 pm

Brief patch of rain has delayed proceedings. Game probably going to go into Day 5 now, so my prediction of laughing at the knee-jerkers on Monday has gone for a burton.

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Post by dummy_half Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:06 pm

And while everyone is sheltering from the rain, the BBC are doing comments on your 'West Indian cricketer' name. The formula is:
First name = US President when you were born
Surname = Last British seaside resort visited*.

So that makes me Nixon Walton.

*I'd prefer this to be first British seaside resort visited - would make me Nixon Scarborough. Now he sounds like a dangerous quick bowler...

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:11 pm

Rain saves England again Very Happy
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Post by VTR Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:16 pm

Rain could be very good for England. Might liven up the pitch. Also means if anyone gets set today they will have to start again tomorrow with the target still presumably still some way off.

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Post by Pekchenko Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:17 pm

Falls down a bit for people in their 20s and 30s being called Reagan and Bush. Id be Carter Morcambe by the way

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Post by Duty281 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:19 pm

If the rest of Day 4 is rained off, then we could be set up for a very exciting final day if the weather's OK for tomorrow. Always look on the bright side!

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:22 pm

dummy_half wrote:And while everyone is sheltering from the rain, the BBC are doing comments on your 'West Indian cricketer' name. The formula is:
First name = US President when you were born
Surname = Last British seaside resort visited*.

So that makes me Nixon Walton.

*I'd prefer this to be first British seaside resort visited - would make me Nixon Scarborough. Now he sounds like a dangerous quick bowler...
I'd be Johnson Scarborough, which is a pretty good fast-bowler name IMO.

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Post by VTR Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:30 pm

Carter Llandudno. Doesn't work for me, perhaps it should be English seaside resort as not many of the Welsh ones are going to work too well!

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Post by alfie Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:30 pm

Hmm. Truman Minehead...I sound quite dangerous Smile 

When are we expecting to get back on ? At all today , or is it going to be one of those crosswords and card games afternoons ?

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Post by Guest Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:31 pm

Reagan Weston. I'm the West Indian who buggers off to play IPL instead of playing for my country.

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Post by Duty281 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:33 pm

Restart at 2:50.

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Post by dummy_half Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:34 pm

VTR wrote:Carter Llandudno. Doesn't work for me, perhaps it should be English seaside resort as not many of the Welsh ones are going to work too well!
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I lived a few miles along the coast from Llandudno for a couple of years a decade ago. Place was called Dwygyfylchi (I kid you not). Definitely NOT a Windies player Very Happy 

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Post by VTR Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:38 pm

Ha! Definitely not, though I'd love to hear Boycs try and pronounce that one. He'd probably call it "a load of rubbish" and change it to something he could pronounce

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Post by JDizzle Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:39 pm

Clinton Paignton. Cool 

Bit camp for a fast bowler, but it'll do!

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Post by Diggers Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:41 pm

So wet outfield now. Harder for the Aussies to score boundaries I guess but the new ball is going to get a bit soggy pretty quickly.

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Post by VTR Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:42 pm

I suppose the Welsh ones could be mystery spinners. They did used to have Nagamootoo which is pretty unusual

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:43 pm

They have lost so much time and yet they have scheduled TEA Shocked

what would happen if they live without TEA to make upt the overs and to factor any more rains that might come.


Also they could have started half an hour earlier today to make up for the loss of time on D2.

These little infelxibilities in the name of tradtion ain't great for test cricket 
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Post by VTR Mon 12 Aug 2013, 2:45 pm

Fair point KP Fan but you have to consider corporate entertainment timed around tea. I am no fan of that whole scene to put it mildly but you are talking sponsors etc here. Money dictates sadly.

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:05 pm

shoddy umpiring continues
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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:06 pm

Warner is a punchy back.foot player...gotta soften him with boucners and then pitch it up
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Post by hampo17 Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:07 pm

KP_fan wrote:shoddy umpiring continues
 Very harsh. Full speed it looked out and I can fully understand why he was given out.

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:08 pm

KP_fan wrote:Warner is a punchy back.foot player...gotta soften him with boucners and then pitch it up
and they keep feeding him with length and short and wide stuff.

PITCH IT UP
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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:08 pm

hampo171 wrote:
KP_fan wrote:shoddy umpiring continues
 Very harsh. Full speed it looked out and I can fully understand why he was given out.
it just didn't look like acclerating or sound like the nick of leather on wood
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Post by JDizzle Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:10 pm

Rogers living a charmed life again!

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:10 pm

Swann drops one for this inning also....and the same man Rogers
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Post by Guest Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:10 pm

35-0. Just what Australia needed, and England didn't.

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Post by alfie Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:12 pm

Déjà Vu...Swann drops Rogers as he dives in front of Cook...

Cue another century ?

He had to go of course ,that was never reaching Cook. Tough chance. Good over from Bresnan.
Rogers must have a hatful of good luck charms...

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Post by trebellbobaggins Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:13 pm

turn on tms, theyare moaning and writing off englands chances to get wickets.
 
turn off.
 
then eng drop catches.
 
aussies game then.
 
all the coverage is so negative at the mo though.  everyone has written eng off.
 
but with rogers riding another filthy luck innings it probably is a loss.


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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:14 pm

alfie wrote:Déjà Vu...Swann drops Rogers as he dives in front of Cook...

Cue another century ?

He had to go of course ,that was  never reaching Cook.  Tough chance.  Good over from Bresnan.
Rogers must have a hatful of good luck charms...
15 years of accumulated luck paying back
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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:15 pm

these two have to bat 10 more overs.....and then Aus has the upper hand...seen off the new ball
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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:16 pm

It is a bit of a gamble to have an opener like Sehwag, Dhawan, Warner....if they fire they set up the game for you nicely
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Post by alfie Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:22 pm

Score racing along at present.

Third man for Rogers would make sense , for mine. But they are of course trying to attack while the ball remains new. Just don't want to overdo it...

That ball jumped ! Enough there to give the bowlers hope.

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:25 pm

KP_fan wrote:
KP_fan wrote:Warner is a punchy back.foot player...gotta soften him with boucners and then pitch it up
and they keep feeding him with length and short and wide stuff.

PITCH IT UP
they are feeding him length or just a few inches short of good length and he keeps punching them
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Post by hodge Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:30 pm

West Indian name

Bush Watchet Erm 

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Post by Guest Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:31 pm

When I said this would all be over tonight, I didn't think it would be due to Australia scoring 299 before close Shocked

60-0, what a dream start for them.

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Post by Hoggy_Bear Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:32 pm

Oh well. Australia to win.
Just hope England can win at the Oval.

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Post by VTR Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:32 pm

New ball pretty much wasted here. Alarming run rate so far. Desperately need a wicket from somewhere!

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Post by alfie Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:32 pm

Swann. Probably about time.

The odd ball was doing things for the seamers , but with no wicket down and sixty knocked off the target , don't want to delay...

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Post by KP_fan Mon 12 Aug 2013, 3:40 pm

SIX over extra cover...reminds of Dhawan
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