Is bale really worth 86 million?

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This is nuts I don't see how Bale can possibly be worth two Ozils or a Cavani and a Fellaini combined. I rate Bale quite highly, I think he has been a top three player in the premier league the last two years. Madrid essentially sold Higuain and Ozil to get Bale? Higuain is an Argentine international with a lot of caps at a young age in a period where Argentina are bursting with forwards and strikers, and Ozil is the German Zidane, albeit not as good as Zidane. I mean if a team plays Higuain and Ozil the duo is good for 35 goals and 20 assists, can Bale put up that kind of production? I mean Cavani lead Italy in Goals and is young as well and Bale is 30 plus million more? I mean just a year ago united bought Van Persie for a fraction of a price. Is Bale a year later worth two and half times Van Persie? The way I read this deal is that Madrid is in disarray. For the amount of money they have they should win every year but they just have to tear their team and coaching staff up every year and create and allstar team that Barcelona invariably gets the better of because they are a team.

Last season Xavi averaged over 100 passes per game with a 95.3% success rate, the highest once again in Europe by some margin.

Hero wrote:Last season Xavi averaged over 100 passes per game with a 95.3% success rate, the highest once again in Europe by some margin.

yeah, id still expect that with their style of football and the domination they have over the teams in la liga. where xavi has been found out though is at the highest level, where he cant dictate or control now. champs lge as evidence.

John wrote:yaya is one of those players who makes a big impact, blows his energy and then goes missing for 10 minutes before his next surge of energy. agree, poor last year but he has started this season on the up. he never suited barca's style or technical ability with the ball. yaya does not pass and move, he runs with power. they also had him playing centre back for a while, which never suited him. not surprised he moved.

I'm not sure he has shown that much improvement this year, he's scored two great free kicks, but of the games I've watched he's looked a little subdued, I thought Fernandinho would allow him to make those bursting runs, but he seems to be being held back a bit.

He hasn't looked the same since De Jong left, he wasn't a player who got the pulses racing but he did a lot of unnoticed work that allowed Toure to do his thing.

Breaking Hatem's leg certainly didn't go unnoticed up in the north-east, but I know what you mean.

Bale is below Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Iniesta, Pirlo without even debating it.

I would put bale as a 3rd tier level of player below the likes of ibrahimovic, Falcao, neymar etc.

Ever since Real made the alleged world breaking offer, one thing I have agreed with Barcelona about is that Real were showing a complete lack if respect to the world situation. I mean sure, Barca, with £600m debt (which vastly overlaps Reals media released debt of £90m) are probably the worst team to point it out, paying Messi £18m a year, and spending £50m on an as yet unproven (in Europe) Brazilian, but its quite true.

Now on to the reality of the situation, I posted this on another thread, but reports suggest Real get a 10% discount if they pay off in a timely manner. This would mean Bale would actually only cost £77.4m, which would probably keep Ronaldo appeased by being told he is still the most expensive player in the world, while simutaneously still building fanfare from the fact that Real have once again broken the record. Add in the Ozil deal, and Real did this deal at a net loss of £35.2m. This is without factoring the £8m they now also save on Kaka's salary for the next season. This deal is not as financially outrageous as some would have you believe... It just keeps feeling like we traded a few big guns for a weapon of only slightly greater effect... at a loss

kingraf wrote:Ever since Real made the alleged world breaking offer, one thing I have agreed with Barcelona about is that Real were showing a complete lack if respect to the world situation. I mean sure, Barca, with £600m debt (which vastly overlaps Reals media released debt of £90m) are probably the worst team to point it out, paying Messi £18m a year, and spending £50m on an as yet unproven (in Europe) Brazilian, but its quite true.

Now on to the reality of the situation, I posted this on another thread, but reports suggest Real get a 10% discount if they pay off in a timely manner. This would mean Bale would actually only cost £77.4m, which would probably keep Ronaldo appeased by being told he is still the most expensive player in the world, while simutaneously still building fanfare from the fact that Real have once again broken the record. Add in the Ozil deal, and Real did this deal at a net loss of £35.2m. This is without factoring the £8m they now also save on Kaka's salary for the next season. This deal is not as financially outrageous as some would have you believe... It just keeps feeling like we traded a few big guns for a weapon of only slightly greater effect... at a loss

But then you need to factor in the 3 players they brought in Isco and the other 2 whose names I have forgotten which came to about 80 million total.

They brought in 3 others, Illaramendi who's thought of as Alonso's natural successor, Casemiro a Brazilian defensive midfielder to challenge Khedira and bought back the RB Daniel Carvajal that they had a clause on. Those combined with Isco came to a tasty 70m

They did though sell Higuain, Albiol and Callejon to Napoli, Leon to Getafe for £57m and got Kaka and Carvaljho off their wage bill.

A net spend of about £80mil overall I believe as well as increasing the wage bill by a fair amount.

I'd be surprised if the wage bill net has gone up considerably.
Sure Bale is on silly wages, but the others guys coming in I can't see being on the same as what Kaka, Higuain, Albiol and Carvaljho were on.

Why are you adding a 'j' to Carvalho's name? 

Because I'm special (in seriousness no bleeding idea)

kingraf wrote:Ever since Real made the alleged world breaking offer, one thing I have agreed with Barcelona about is that Real were showing a complete lack if respect to the world situation. I mean sure, Barca, with £600m debt (which vastly overlaps Reals media released debt of £90m) are probably the worst team to point it out, paying Messi £18m a year, and spending £50m on an as yet unproven (in Europe) Brazilian, but its quite true.

Now on to the reality of the situation, I posted this on another thread, but reports suggest Real get a 10% discount if they pay off in a timely manner. This would mean Bale would actually only cost £77.4m, which would probably keep Ronaldo appeased by being told he is still the most expensive player in the world, while simutaneously still building fanfare from the fact that Real have once again broken the record. Add in the Ozil deal, and Real did this deal at a net loss of £35.2m. This is without factoring the £8m they now also save on Kaka's salary for the next season. This deal is not as financially outrageous as some would have you believe... It just keeps feeling like we traded a few big guns for a weapon of only slightly greater effect... at a loss

Worse than that Kingraf it constantly breaks up the continuity of your team. Too many big transfers, too many coaching changes, with the money they spend and the brand that Madrid have they should not go a decade from the last time they have won a final in europe, more now if my memory serves me. I just am not that impressed by their lone league title in spain the last few years. In spain, there are basically two teams that win the title if Barca and Real don't win from their perspectives they have had bad years. Stable management and a stable core of players with a couple of players coming and going each year is what you want. Not a complete overhaul every year or two.

The Special Juan wrote:

John wrote:Messi, Ronaldo - Top Level (genuine world class)

Iniesta, Falcao, Cavani, Ozil - Second Tier (sheer quality, proven at every level)

Bale, Van Persie, Neymar, Ribery, Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski - Third Tier (some unproven but media plaudits move them into this category like bale/neymar)

Mata, Aguero, Rooney, Silva, Reus - Fourth Tier (quality players but don't have the standout ability to go higher, as of yet, depending on age for example Reus)

Argue over that   

Complete absence of defenders

Exactly, tiers are more useful if you divide them up based on position, because it's impossible to compare, and defenders and GKs never really get the credit they deserve. For me the best player over the last ten years or so in the premier league has been Petr Cech, but he wouldn't be in the conversation if there was a debate on MOTD etc.