2013 606v2 Top 15 Pound for Pound Rankings (please submit VOTES)

First topic message reminder :

It’s time to vote for the 606V2 POUND FOR POUND Top 15 rankings (Q4 2013).

Rules:
-Only 1 post per 606 member.
-Only active fighters allowed (must of fought in the last 18 months unless officially retired)
-Outlandish listings will be DQ.
-A fighter needs two individual votes to have his points included.

Principles:
Your Top 15 should be based as at the current point in time.

Point Scoring System:
Quite simple, #1 scores 15 points, #2 scores 14 points etc… I will tally up the totals by the deadline date and will present the results.

NOTE: PLEASE TRY AND USE FULL NAMES (or correct surnames) & LIST your results.

For reference only, the previous Top 15 606v2 P4P rankings as at 09th April 2013 was:

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2 Andre Ward
3 Nonito Donaire
4 Juan Manuel Marquez
5 Sergio Martinez
6 Wladimir Klitschko
7 Manny Pacquiao
8 Timothy Bradley
9 Carl Froch
10 Adrian Broner
11 Abner Mares
12 Robert Guerrero
13 Yuriorkis Gamboa
14 Saul Alvarez
15 Chad Dawson

16 Austin Trout
17 Vitali Klitschko
18 Bernard Hopkins
19 Gennady Golovkin
20 Guillermo Rigondeaux
21 Danny Garcia
22 Mikkel Kessler
23 Brian Viloria
24 Ricky Burns
25 Gary Russell Jr
26 Mikkel Kessler

Champagne_Socialist wrote:I have made a new list

1 Wladimir Klitschko.
2 Manny Pacquio
3 Chris john
4 Andre Ward
5 Floyd mayweather
6 Hopkins
7 donaire
8 Timothy Bradley
9 canelo alvarez
10 Vitali Klitschko
11 Abner Mares
12 Robert Guerrero
13 Yuriorkis Gamboa
14 David Haye
15 rigendioux

Forgot about Chris John who isthe  undefeated world champion

Pahahaha seriously, ATG, you've got to consider scrapping C_S ridiculous lists!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:1. Floyd
2. Ward
3. Bradley
4. Wladimir Klitscho
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Danny Garcia
7. Rigendoux
8. Donaire
9. Pacman
10 Adrien Broner
11 Abner Mares
12 Yukki Gamboa
13 Carl froch
14 GGG
15. Addy Stevenson

I'd have Rigo above Martinez and Donaire above Garcia but thats a pretty good list

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Can't believe no one else is even putting Chris John in their top 15.

Maybe because he's not even top in his own division and has almost never fought anyone of note??

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

catchweight wrote:I cant understand how Hopkins can rank above Stevenson on current form. Whats he done in the last three or four years? Points wins over two boxers that were knocked out by Cleverly and Stevenson and lost to Dawson. Hes living off reputation now.

I dont get how Klitschko can be rated above fighters like Rigondeaux, Bradley or Pacquiao unless its in a head to head match. Nowhere near as good a fighter.

Broner? He could barely beat Malignaggi.

Didn't Stevenson only beat a fighter who was coming off the back of a KO to Andre Snored and got shown up by a nearly 50 year old man?

He knocked out the boxer that was consider the division champion and had clearly beat Hopkins. You are the guy who has this 50 year old man at number ten in the world. Hopkins doesnt even deserve to rate ahead of Dawson never mind Stevenson the way things are at present.

ShahenshahG wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:1. Floyd
2. Ward
3. Bradley
4. Wladimir Klitscho
5. Sergio Martinez
6. Danny Garcia
7. Rigendoux
8. Donaire
9. Pacman
10 Adrien Broner
11 Abner Mares
12 Yukki Gamboa
13 Carl froch
14 GGG
15. Addy Stevenson

I'd have Rigo above Martinez and Donaire above Garcia but thats a pretty good list

Wouldn't have a problem If you did, Mate.........

Some places on the list are interchangeable..........Martinez is 5 more on his stature in the game........As is Wlad at 4.........

catchweight wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

catchweight wrote:I cant understand how Hopkins can rank above Stevenson on current form. Whats he done in the last three or four years? Points wins over two boxers that were knocked out by Cleverly and Stevenson and lost to Dawson. Hes living off reputation now.

I dont get how Klitschko can be rated above fighters like Rigondeaux, Bradley or Pacquiao unless its in a head to head match. Nowhere near as good a fighter.

Broner? He could barely beat Malignaggi.

Didn't Stevenson only beat a fighter who was coming off the back of a KO to Andre Snored and got shown up by a nearly 50 year old man?

He knocked out the boxer that was consider the division champion and had clearly beat Hopkins. You are the guy who has this 50 year old man at number ten in the world. Hopkins doesnt even deserve to rate ahead of Dawson never mind Stevenson the way things are at present.

And?? Dawson was still coming off the back of a loss, thats a fact. Not only beat, but beat up pretty bad and stopped. Doesn't make a blind bit of difference if it was in the weight division below...it still happened.

And Hopkins not only beat Cloud, he beat him when he still had his "0".

So you would have Dawson who has been stopped and KTFO in 2 fights ahead of Hopkins who has beaten an undefeated champion and a mandatory in his last 2???

Come on Catchweight, don't be silly. Manny gets kept in these lists for previous achievements when he got beat twice in a row. BHop lost to Dawson then bounces back with a very good win and an ok one. That coupled with his title win BEFORE the Dawson defeat still keeps him around top 10. Its obvious you just don't like him so it would be wasting eachothers time carrying on this conversation. I think Iv put a sensible argument forward.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jnr
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Juan Manual Marquez
5. Timothy Bradley
6. Saul Alvarez
7. Guillermo Rigondeaux
8. Manny Pacquiao
9. Nonito Donaire
10. Wladimir Klitschko
11. Carl Froch
12. Vitali Klitschko
13. Danny Garcia
14. Bernard Hopkins
15. Abner Mares

Yes Im going to have the man that beat Hopkins above Hopkins. Hopkins has done bugger all to show hes the best in his division for about 4 years, never mind one of the best in the world. Dawson beating pretty comfortable quite clearly shows he isnt. If it wasnt for Hopkins age and reputation he wouldnt be considered anywhere near one of the top ten fighters. He is 49 and in the last three years hes lost to the best light heavyweight hes faced and beat the mighty Cloud and Murat, proven ordinary fighters. And you have him as one of the ten best in the world.

TopHat24/7 wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Guillermo Rigondeux
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Mikey Garcia
9. Sergio Martinez
10. Adrien Broner
11. Danny Garcia
12. Gennady Golovkin
13. Saul Alvarez
14. Nonito Donaire
15. Bernard Hopkins

Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Marquez above Klitschko? marquez has lost 2 fights in the past 20 months whilst klitschko has been unbeaten for nearly a decade beating all of his rivals!!!

You know the American-hating D4 posts lists like yours CS...........I'm disappointed!! I thought we got on with eachother Mate....

    

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

catchweight wrote:Yes Im going to have the man that beat Hopkins above Hopkins. Hopkins has done bugger all to show hes the best in his division for about 4 years, never mind one of the best in the world. Dawson beating pretty comfortable quite clearly shows he isnt. If it wasnt for Hopkins age and reputation he wouldnt be considered anywhere near one of the top ten fighters. He is 49 and in the last three years hes lost to the best light heavyweight hes faced and beat the mighty Cloud and Murat, proven ordinary fighters. And you have him as one of the ten best in the world.

He beat Pascal (who beat Dawson) not too long ago either... So you could argue he's at the top of the LH division.

I know Dawson beat Hopkins, but it wasn't a one sided affair to say the least. Since then, Dawson has massively regressed as well whilst Hopkins went on to beat Cloud who still had his "0".

However, if Stevenson goes onto dominating Bellew I'd put him ahead of Hopkins.

...... You really need to put up a top 15 though, you're in danger of disputing other peoples list without even vindicating what you perceive to be your personal top 15? Makes no sense to me as to why you would passionately debate a subject but not be willing to put the effort and thought in of your own P4P list?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You know the American-hating D4 posts lists like yours CS...........I'm disappointed!! I thought we got on with eachother Mate....

    

Marquez is Mexican

And what about Dawson getting beat by Pascal, you must surely rank Pascal above Dawson based on that logic. Then Hopkins embarrasses the man who beat THE MAN as you put it.

And also, Dawson only became THE MAN of the division with his win over Hopkins. Because before that was the Pascal fight. So lets look at it closer.

Dawson - last 5 fights - Loss to Pascal, NC with Hopkins, Beats Hopkins, TKO to Ward, KTFO against Stevenson....the main man has won ONE fight in his last five.

Hopkins - Draw v Pascal, Beat Pascal, NC with Dawson, Loses to Dawson, Beats Cloud, Beats Murat............3 wins, a draw and a defeat. The win and the draw coming against the guy who beat THE MAN.

How you can say Dawson ranks above him at this point is crazy.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Guillermo Rigondeux
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Mikey Garcia
9. Sergio Martinez
10. Adrien Broner
11. Danny Garcia
12. Gennady Golovkin
13. Saul Alvarez
14. Nonito Donaire
15. Bernard Hopkins

Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Marquez above Klitschko? marquez has lost 2 fights in the past 20 months whilst klitschko has been unbeaten for nearly a decade beating all of his rivals!!!

Lol, cute.

I watch boxing and score my own fights. I had Pac battering Bradley. I also had Prov edging him.

JMM beat him on points by my scoring and then knocked him out in the follow up, which is why he is ahead.

As Union will testify to, silly things like Brad-bt-JMM-bt-Pac therefore Brad>Pac is a spurious exercise that results in Danny Williams > Ali.

Wlad is high due to his unblemished record, but beating nobody of note and man-handling his first credible challenger since Haye in a poor performance is not worthy of being ahead of people beating guys in the p4p top 5.

1. Mayweather
2. Rigondeaux
3. Ward
4. Bradley
5. Marquez
6. Pacquiao.
7. Garcia
8. Froch
9. Martinez
10. Donaire
11. W. Klitschko
12.  Golovkin
13.  Alexander
14.  Cotto
15.  Hopkins

Oh dear CS. There is a difference between JMM being higher than Wlad.

He beat Pacman via Knockout, beat MAB, beat Pacman (in most eyes 3/4), has some good if not great names on his CV.

Wlad has beaten Haye and Fatty in the past decade. Yes he has dominated, but the division is sooooo weak. He is on my list due to his longevity and accomplishments, but he ain't higher than JMM.

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

I put pacquio above Bradley and Marquez. My point was that there can be an argument made for any of the top guys in their weight divisions to be #1 eg Ward, mayweather, Klitschko, donaire, GGG etc etc

All Time Great wrote:

catchweight wrote:Yes Im going to have the man that beat Hopkins above Hopkins. Hopkins has done bugger all to show hes the best in his division for about 4 years, never mind one of the best in the world. Dawson beating pretty comfortable quite clearly shows he isnt. If it wasnt for Hopkins age and reputation he wouldnt be considered anywhere near one of the top ten fighters. He is 49 and in the last three years hes lost to the best light heavyweight hes faced and beat the mighty Cloud and Murat, proven ordinary fighters. And you have him as one of the ten best in the world.

He beat Pascal (who beat Dawson) not too long ago either... So you could argue he's at the top of the LH division.

I know Dawson beat Hopkins, but it wasn't a one sided affair to say the least. Since then, Dawson has massively regressed as well whilst Hopkins went on to beat Cloud who still had his "0".

However, if Stevenson goes onto dominating Bellew I'd put him ahead of Hopkins.

...... You really need to put up a top 15 though, you're in danger of disputing other peoples list without even vindicating what you perceive to be your personal top 15? Makes no sense to me as to why you would passionately debate a subject but not be willing to put the effort and thought in of your own P4P list?

Thank Christ for some sense!!!

Agree with you too ATG, if he beats Bellew then top 10 for me. But Catchweight claimed he goes to top 5. Not a chance based on his win over Dawson and 2 defences.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You know the American-hating D4 posts lists like yours CS...........I'm disappointed!! I thought we got on with eachother Mate....

    

Wondered what it'd take to end the bromance.....

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Guillermo Rigondeux
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Mikey Garcia
9. Sergio Martinez
10. Adrien Broner
11. Danny Garcia
12. Gennady Golovkin
13. Saul Alvarez
14. Nonito Donaire
15. Bernard Hopkins

Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Marquez above Klitschko? marquez has lost 2 fights in the past 20 months whilst klitschko has been unbeaten for nearly a decade beating all of his rivals!!!

Lol, cute.

I watch boxing and score my own fights.  I had Pac battering Bradley. I also had Prov edging him.

JMM beat him on points by my scoring and then knocked him out in the follow up, which is why he is ahead.

As Union will testify to, silly things like Brad-bt-JMM-bt-Pac therefore Brad>Pac is a spurious exercise that results in Danny Williams > Ali.

Wlad is high due to his unblemished record, but beating nobody of note and man-handling his first credible challenger since Haye in a poor performance is not worthy of being ahead of people beating guys in the p4p top 5.

You know I like you Toppy, but your Bradley hatred knows no bounds haha.  

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

No I didnt claim he goes to top 5. Hopkins beat Pascal almost 2 and half years. Its scarcely relevant now. Dawson beating Hopkins MORE RECENTLY quite obviously proves Hopkins is neither the best in his division nor one of the best fighters in the world as Dawson himself was recently beaten by Ward and Stevenson who DESERVE to rank higher than Hopkins. Beating no marks like Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Jesus Clevrly knocked out Murat and Stevenson made mincemeat of Cloud. Theres absolutely bugger all that says Hopkins is the best light heavyweight. He would need to beat someone relevant like Stevenson or even Dawson to have a claim.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Guillermo Rigondeux
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Timothy Bradley
8. Mikey Garcia
9. Sergio Martinez
10. Adrien Broner
11. Danny Garcia
12. Gennady Golovkin
13. Saul Alvarez
14. Nonito Donaire
15. Bernard Hopkins

Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Marquez above Klitschko? marquez has lost 2 fights in the past 20 months whilst klitschko has been unbeaten for nearly a decade beating all of his rivals!!!

Lol, cute.

I watch boxing and score my own fights.  I had Pac battering Bradley. I also had Prov edging him.

JMM beat him on points by my scoring and then knocked him out in the follow up, which is why he is ahead.

As Union will testify to, silly things like Brad-bt-JMM-bt-Pac therefore Brad>Pac is a spurious exercise that results in Danny Williams > Ali.

Wlad is high due to his unblemished record, but beating nobody of note and man-handling his first credible challenger since Haye in a poor performance is not worthy of being ahead of people beating guys in the p4p top 5.

You know I like you Toppy, but your Bradley hatred knows no bounds haha.  

Haha, p7 is doing pretty well for someone hated....

His record up until recently has been very good and was a proper divisional #1 (LWW) but I can't help having him losing 2 out of his last 3.

Funnily enough when Spinks beat Holmes in the 2nd fight even though he lost by three rounds he stayed above Holmes in the lists !!

Bradley beats Manny and JMM and Manny is higher after being 1-2 (0)........

Not for me..

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
Bradley - still unbeaten  

catchweight wrote:No I didnt claim he goes to top 5. Hopkins beat Pascal almost 2 and half years. Its scarcely relevant now. Dawson beating Hopkins MORE RECENTLY quite obviously proves Hopkins is neither the best in his division nor one of the best fighters in the world as Dawson himself was recently beaten by Ward and Stevenson who DESERVE to rank higher than Hopkins. Beating no marks like Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Jesus Clevrly knocked out Murat and Stevenson made mincemeat of Cloud. Theres absolutely bugger all that says Hopkins is the best light heavyweight. He would need to beat someone relevant like Stevenson or even Dawson to have a claim.

Well who knows what you claim when you refuse to post a list.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:No I didnt claim he goes to top 5. Hopkins beat Pascal almost 2 and half years. Its scarcely relevant now. Dawson beating Hopkins MORE RECENTLY quite obviously proves Hopkins is neither the best in his division nor one of the best fighters in the world as Dawson himself was recently beaten by Ward and Stevenson who DESERVE to rank higher than Hopkins. Beating no marks like Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Jesus Clevrly knocked out Murat and Stevenson made mincemeat of Cloud. Theres absolutely bugger all that says Hopkins is the best light heavyweight. He would need to beat someone relevant like Stevenson or even Dawson to have a claim.

Well who knows what you claim when you refuse to post a list.

Stop bullying him because he doesn't want to write a list.

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
                      Bradley - still unbeaten  

But this is my point. I score my own fights, not get spoonfed results without engaging my own brain.

'Bradley beat Manny' and 'Bradley still unbeaten' are totally irrelevant to me. I barely gave TB 3 rounds against Manny and had him losing his next fight too.

Same as I had JMM beating Manny on points before following it up with a lullaby-inducing ko in the next fight, hence why he is higher than Manny.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:No I didnt claim he goes to top 5. Hopkins beat Pascal almost 2 and half years. Its scarcely relevant now. Dawson beating Hopkins MORE RECENTLY quite obviously proves Hopkins is neither the best in his division nor one of the best fighters in the world as Dawson himself was recently beaten by Ward and Stevenson who DESERVE to rank higher than Hopkins. Beating no marks like Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Jesus Clevrly knocked out Murat and Stevenson made mincemeat of Cloud. Theres absolutely bugger all that says Hopkins is the best light heavyweight. He would need to beat someone relevant like Stevenson or even Dawson to have a claim.

Well who knows what you claim when you refuse to post a list.

If you were able to read you would know exactly what Im claiming.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
                      Bradley - still unbeaten  

But this is my point. I score my own fights, not get spoonfed results without engaging my own brain.

'Bradley beat Manny' and 'Bradley still unbeaten' are totally irrelevant to me.  I barely gave TB 3 rounds against Manny and had him losing his next fight too.

Same as I had JMM beating Manny on points before following it up with a lullaby-inducing ko in the next fight, hence why he is higher than Manny.

Even though povetkin lost 104-119 against Klitscko I had Povetkin winning the fight on my scorecards.

So If you thought Hagler beat Leonard you'd keep him at p4p number 1 !!!!

My premiership table has City above Chelsea........Because Chelsea had a soft penalty last week and WBA won..

What nonsense..........

catchweight wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:No I didnt claim he goes to top 5. Hopkins beat Pascal almost 2 and half years. Its scarcely relevant now. Dawson beating Hopkins MORE RECENTLY quite obviously proves Hopkins is neither the best in his division nor one of the best fighters in the world as Dawson himself was recently beaten by Ward and Stevenson who DESERVE to rank higher than Hopkins. Beating no marks like Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Jesus Clevrly knocked out Murat and Stevenson made mincemeat of Cloud. Theres absolutely bugger all that says Hopkins is the best light heavyweight. He would need to beat someone relevant like Stevenson or even Dawson to have a claim.

Well who knows what you claim when you refuse to post a list.

If you were able to read you would know exactly what Im claiming.

Its a pointless argument at the moment. providing Stevenson beats bellew then Stevenson-Hopkins is in line for next spring. then we will see who the number 1 LHW is.

1. Ward
2. Mayweather
3. Bradley
4. Wlad
5. Danny Garcia
6. Rigondeaux
7. Marquez
8. Pacquaio
9. Hopkins
10. Donaire
11. Alvarez
12. Martinez
13. Broner
14. Mares
15. Mikey Garcia

Why is Wlad as high as 4 and Mayweather 2nd ???..Don't see on Current form why he is so high on your list ??

and If it isn't current form.........Then Mayweather has to be above Ward !!

catchweight wrote:No I didnt claim he goes to top 5. Hopkins beat Pascal almost 2 and half years. Its scarcely relevant now. Dawson beating Hopkins MORE RECENTLY quite obviously proves Hopkins is neither the best in his division nor one of the best fighters in the world as Dawson himself was recently beaten by Ward and Stevenson who DESERVE to rank higher than Hopkins. Beating no marks like Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Jesus Clevrly knocked out Murat and Stevenson made mincemeat of Cloud. Theres absolutely bugger all that says Hopkins is the best light heavyweight. He would need to beat someone relevant like Stevenson or even Dawson to have a claim.

Dawson beat Hopkins almost a year and a half ago. One year makes it ok in Dawsons case when it comes to Pascal. Considering in the year and a half that Hopkins got beat Dawson has taken an absolute shoeing and Hopkins has went on to win a world title of an undefeated champion and beat his mandatory.

Stevensons win over Dawson would have been huge if Ward had't have roughed him up previous. And Dawson is fully to blame for that for agreeing to drop weight he couldn't afford to drop. It was a good win, but against a champion who got spanked to the point he should have got his LHW belt removed. Champions don't get bashed like that and still be called THE MAN.

Hopkins got Cloud first, Stevenson feasted on the left overs.

Murat was mandatory and deserved his shot...just like Bellew is getting. A win over Bellew is just as meaningful as a win over Murat. Both mandatories and nothing more.

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Guillermo Rigondeux
5. Manny Pacquiao
6. Wladimir Klitschko
7. Mikey Garcia
8. Timothy Bradley
9. Sergio Martinez
10. Adrien Broner
11. Danny Garcia
12. Gennady Golovkin
13. Carl Froch
14. Saul Alvarez
15. Nonito Donaire

The fact that Dawson beat Hopkins more recently is why its far more relevant than Pascal. Its really not difficult to follow.

Dawson > Pascal > Hopkins > Dawson > Stevenson.

You have to go back 2 and half years before Hopkins can realistically say he was the best in the division. He lost that claim when he lost to Dawson. And beating Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Stevensons results and performances have also been far more impressive of late. The honus is on Hopkins to beat Stevenson to prove he is best. If there was only one proper title in the division Stevenson would be holding it.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

catchweight wrote:No I didnt claim he goes to top 5. Hopkins beat Pascal almost 2 and half years. Its scarcely relevant now. Dawson beating Hopkins MORE RECENTLY quite obviously proves Hopkins is neither the best in his division nor one of the best fighters in the world as Dawson himself was recently beaten by Ward and Stevenson who DESERVE to rank higher than Hopkins. Beating no marks like Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Jesus Clevrly knocked out Murat and Stevenson made mincemeat of Cloud. Theres absolutely bugger all that says Hopkins is the best light heavyweight. He would need to beat someone relevant like Stevenson or even Dawson to have a claim.

Well who knows what you claim when you refuse to post a list.

Stop bullying him because he doesn't want to write a list.

Save the pompous guardian angel schtick, it's as tedious as the rest of your lecturing.....

catchweight wrote:The fact that Dawson beat Hopkins more recently is why its far more relevant than Pascal. Its really not difficult to follow.

Dawson > Pascal > Hopkins > Dawson > Stevenson.

You have to go back 2 and half years before Hopkins can realistically say he was the best in the division. He lost that claim when he lost to Dawson. And beating Cloud and Murat doesnt change that. Stevensons results and performances have also been far more impressive of late. The honus is on Hopkins to beat Stevenson to prove he is best. If there was only one proper title in the division Stevenson would be holding it.

You have an agenda against hopkins all of your comments when he beat urat proved that.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
                      Bradley - still unbeaten  

But this is my point. I score my own fights, not get spoonfed results without engaging my own brain.

'Bradley beat Manny' and 'Bradley still unbeaten' are totally irrelevant to me.  I barely gave TB 3 rounds against Manny and had him losing his next fight too.

Same as I had JMM beating Manny on points before following it up with a lullaby-inducing ko in the next fight, hence why he is higher than Manny.

Even though povetkin lost 104-119 against Klitscko I had Povetkin winning the fight on my scorecards.

Oh holy moly wowzers, in case you hadn't totally undermined yourself on the boxing boards already, you just scored that fight to Pov!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So If you thought Hagler beat Leonard you'd keep him at p4p number 1 !!!!

My premiership table has City above Chelsea........Because Chelsea had a soft penalty last week and WBA won..

What nonsense..........

Did a bunch of people decide whether Chelsea or City won? No. They didn't. The result was decided by the men on the field.

If football banned draws and the pools panel got to pick a winner each time then there might be a semblance of relevance to your post. As they don't it's just the usual drivel.

I'm interested in lists and opinions.........

Not two girls bickering because they know sack all about Boxing.....and think It's clever...

I read the guardian too.........Good paper.

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
                      Bradley - still unbeaten  

But this is my point. I score my own fights, not get spoonfed results without engaging my own brain.

'Bradley beat Manny' and 'Bradley still unbeaten' are totally irrelevant to me.  I barely gave TB 3 rounds against Manny and had him losing his next fight too.

Same as I had JMM beating Manny on points before following it up with a lullaby-inducing ko in the next fight, hence why he is higher than Manny.

Even though povetkin lost 104-119 against Klitscko I had Povetkin winning the fight on my scorecards.

Oh holy moly wowzers, in case you hadn't totally undermined yourself on the boxing boards already, you just scored that fight to Pov!!

Yeh I thought Povetkin won every round and the rounds he got knocked down in were a draw. I also thought Haye beat Wlad and I had mayweather drawing with alvarez and rios winning every round against pacquio.........

maybe just maybe we should go by official results (even if controversial) when deciding the P4P list instead of basing the P4P list on who we 'think' won the fight.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm interested in lists and opinions.........

Not two girls bickering because they know sack all about Boxing.....and think It's clever...

I read the guardian too.........Good paper.

None of which is relevant to you acting like a pr!ck whenever you don't like someone else's opinion.

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
                      Bradley - still unbeaten  

But this is my point. I score my own fights, not get spoonfed results without engaging my own brain.

'Bradley beat Manny' and 'Bradley still unbeaten' are totally irrelevant to me.  I barely gave TB 3 rounds against Manny and had him losing his next fight too.

Same as I had JMM beating Manny on points before following it up with a lullaby-inducing ko in the next fight, hence why he is higher than Manny.

Even though povetkin lost 104-119 against Klitscko I had Povetkin winning the fight on my scorecards.

Oh holy moly wowzers, in case you hadn't totally undermined yourself on the boxing boards already, you just scored that fight to Pov!!

Yeh I thought Povetkin won every round and the rounds he got knocked down in were a draw. I also thought Haye beat Wlad and I had mayweather drawing with alvarez and rios winning every round against pacquio.........

maybe just maybe we should go by official results (even if controversial) when deciding the P4P list instead of basing the P4P list on who we 'think' won the fight.

Ahhhhhhhh, right, you were just being a bell-end? Okey doke. I gets ya.

Carry on......

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
                      Bradley - still unbeaten  

But this is my point. I score my own fights, not get spoonfed results without engaging my own brain.

'Bradley beat Manny' and 'Bradley still unbeaten' are totally irrelevant to me.  I barely gave TB 3 rounds against Manny and had him losing his next fight too.

Same as I had JMM beating Manny on points before following it up with a lullaby-inducing ko in the next fight, hence why he is higher than Manny.

Even though povetkin lost 104-119 against Klitscko I had Povetkin winning the fight on my scorecards.

Oh holy moly wowzers, in case you hadn't totally undermined yourself on the boxing boards already, you just scored that fight to Pov!!

Yeh I thought Povetkin won every round and the rounds he got knocked down in were a draw. I also thought Haye beat Wlad and I had mayweather drawing with alvarez and rios winning every round against pacquio.........

maybe just maybe we should go by official results (even if controversial) when deciding the P4P list instead of basing the P4P list on who we 'think' won the fight.

Or maybe when someone wins the FA cup with an offside goal..........Maybe we can declare it vacant in our minds that year............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Reborn-DeeMcK-Reborn wrote:

TopHat24/7 wrote:

Rowley wrote:

Champagne_Socialist wrote:Manny pacquio above Bradley? Bradley beat pacqui and Bradley beat Marquez who knocked out pacquio!

Audley Harrison beat Danny Williams who beat Mike Tyson who beat Larry Holmes who beat Ali.

Audley > Ali.

Darn it, got there before me.

(tho I did credit Union for it...)

Devils Ad here : Pacquiao - sang a lullaby after
                      Bradley - still unbeaten  

But this is my point. I score my own fights, not get spoonfed results without engaging my own brain.

'Bradley beat Manny' and 'Bradley still unbeaten' are totally irrelevant to me.  I barely gave TB 3 rounds against Manny and had him losing his next fight too.

Same as I had JMM beating Manny on points before following it up with a lullaby-inducing ko in the next fight, hence why he is higher than Manny.

Even though povetkin lost 104-119 against Klitscko I had Povetkin winning the fight on my scorecards.

Oh holy moly wowzers, in case you hadn't totally undermined yourself on the boxing boards already, you just scored that fight to Pov!!

Yeh I thought Povetkin won every round and the rounds he got knocked down in were a draw. I also thought Haye beat Wlad and I had mayweather drawing with alvarez and rios winning every round against pacquio.........

maybe just maybe we should go by official results (even if controversial) when deciding the P4P list instead of basing the P4P list on who we 'think' won the fight.

Or maybe when someone wins the FA cup with an offside goal..........Maybe we can declare it vacant in our minds that year............

haha

1. Mayweather
2. Ward
3. Rigondeaux
4. Bradley
5. Martinez
6. Pacquiao
7. Marquez
8. Donaire
9. Santa Cruz
10. M. Garcia
11. Froch
12. D. Garcia
13. Stevenson
14. Golovkin
15. Narvaez

The top 3 are head and shoulders above those in and around their divisions beyond which it really doesn't matter what order you place him.

Here's mine:

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Andre Ward
3. Timothy Bradley
4. Guillermo Rigondeaux
5. Juan Manuel Marquez
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Manny Pacquiao
8. Wlad Klitschko
9. Mikey Garcia
10. Danny Garcia
11. Nonito Donaire
12. Gennady Golovkin
13. Carl Froch
14. Adrian Broner
15. Adonis Stevenson