The Four Horsemen: Welterweight Legends Who Would Have Beaten Floyd Mayweather Jr.

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Great piece of writing here:

http://thecruelestsport.com/2014/05/07/four-horsemen-welterweight-legends-beaten-floyd-mayweather-jr/

"Trying to compare eras is relatively futile, since contemporary boxing bears only a slight resemblance to the sport of 60-80 years ago. Until about the early 1970s, generally speaking, there were only 8-10 accepted weight classes and one champion per division. There were also three or four times as many professional fighters practicing the Sweet Science, which made competition both plentiful and fierce. Most important, perhaps, is the fact that premium cable channels did not exist; fighters had to appeal to the sporting masses to make a living. They did that, for the most part, by fighting the best competition available. When the only way a fighter—and a promoter, for that matter—could prosper was by attracting an audience, the matchups were invariably better. Even during the closed-circuit era—roughly from the early 1950s to the late 1980s—the production costs were so daunting that promoters could risk only putting the biggest attractions together. If an event failed, the promoter faced financial ruin."

Yes only the best Duran beats Floyd at Welter, any other version loses a landslide decision. Leonard was forced into a brawl in the first fight he did not choose too, no matter what he says. Duran in the rematch was an out of condition shell of the Duran of the first fight. Thats my opinion you can agree with it or be wrong     

I'm always wrong.......You know that hogey.......  

Do we really need to go through this again; being an underdog against Robinson, Leonard and Hearns doesn't exactly prove anything and the fact that a former super featherweight is compared to them at all speaks volumes for his ability.

Duran I think loses more often than he wins, if the Montreal version doesn't turn up which 90% of the time above lightweight it did not he gets counter punched to a clear decision loss. Montreal Duran turns up and it could be interesting but no foregone conclusion, Mayweather is more conservative than Leonard so would not get dragged into a brawl.

Duran smokes Mayweather. At his worst, he was still better than most of the welters Mayweather faced. At his best, different stratosphere. Mayweather would learn the difference between a Duran and a Ricky Hatton, Victor Ortiz or Marcos Maidana in painful fashion. If he thought Castillo was tough, he better think again.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Do we really need to go through this again; being an underdog against Robinson, Leonard and Hearns doesn't exactly prove anything and the fact that a former super featherweight is compared to them at all speaks volumes for his ability.

Duran I think loses more often than he wins, if the Montreal version doesn't turn up which 90% of the time above lightweight it did not he gets counter punched to a clear decision loss. Montreal Duran turns up and it could be interesting but no foregone conclusion, Mayweather is more conservative than Leonard so would not get dragged into a brawl.

Mayweather's a welterweight - has been for most of his career.

Duran beats him up - he'd offer far more offensively than Castillo and Maidana. The Panamanian would have been too active for Mayweather's pot-shotting - at 147 or 130.

At his worst he was losing to Kirkland Laing and Robbie Sims or getting humiliated by Hearns and Benitez, well you'll say it's the worst of him but more correctly it's just inconsistent post Montreal Duran.

catchweight wrote:Duran smokes Mayweather. At his worst, he was still better than most of the welters Mayweather faced. At his best, different stratosphere. Mayweather would learn the difference between a Duran and a Ricky Hatton, Victor Ortiz or Marcos Maidana in painful fashion. If he thought Castillo was tough, he better think again.

Totally agree.

hazharrison wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Do we really need to go through this again; being an underdog against Robinson, Leonard and Hearns doesn't exactly prove anything and the fact that a former super featherweight is compared to them at all speaks volumes for his ability.

Duran I think loses more often than he wins, if the Montreal version doesn't turn up which 90% of the time above lightweight it did not he gets counter punched to a clear decision loss. Montreal Duran turns up and it could be interesting but no foregone conclusion, Mayweather is more conservative than Leonard so would not get dragged into a brawl.

Mayweather's a welterweight - has been for most of his career.

Duran beats him up - he'd offer far more offensively than Castillo and Maidana. The Panamanian would have been too active for Mayweather's pot-shotting - at 147 or 130.

No he's a blown up Super Featherweight who is comfortable fighting at Welterweight, were he a modern day Welterweight he wouldn't be weighing 148lbs in the ring.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:

hazharrison wrote:

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Do we really need to go through this again; being an underdog against Robinson, Leonard and Hearns doesn't exactly prove anything and the fact that a former super featherweight is compared to them at all speaks volumes for his ability.

Duran I think loses more often than he wins, if the Montreal version doesn't turn up which 90% of the time above lightweight it did not he gets counter punched to a clear decision loss. Montreal Duran turns up and it could be interesting but no foregone conclusion, Mayweather is more conservative than Leonard so would not get dragged into a brawl.

Mayweather's a welterweight - has been for most of his career.

Duran beats him up - he'd offer far more offensively than Castillo and Maidana. The Panamanian would have been too active for Mayweather's pot-shotting - at 147 or 130.

No he's a blown up Super Featherweight who is comfortable fighting at Welterweight, were he a modern day Welterweight he wouldn't be weighing 148lbs in the ring.

He's a welterweight. He's the 154 world champion for pity's sake. Check out the Alvarez weigh in pics and tell me he's a blown up 130 pounder - they looked identically sized.

They are so identically sized that one of them weighed 151lbs and the other weighed 168lbs but yes they look the same size on your computer screen.

Armstrong was the Welterweight champion but he was still a featherweight who put on a few pounds.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:They are so identically sized that one of them weighed 151lbs and the other weighed 168lbs but yes they look the same size on your computer screen.

Armstrong was the Welterweight champion but he was still a featherweight who put on a few pounds.

Dear me. Floyd fans are the best. Big brave Floyd taking on those nasty welters. You're a riot lad!

What is rather hilarious is you trying to suggest that Mayweather is a fully fledged Welterweight when it's obvious to everyone that he isn't, nor is Pacquiao, they routinely give away around 14lbs when they fight at 147lbs. What part of that can you actually dispute?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:What is rather hilarious is you trying to suggest that Mayweather is a fully fledged Welterweight when it's obvious to everyone that he isn't, nor is Pacquiao, they routinely give away around 14lbs when they fight at 147lbs. What part of that can you actually dispute?

Pacquiao is blown up - he's got legs and shoulders like Geoff Capes. Mayweather is a welterweight - he grew into one over time.

You've tickled me with that one.

If 148lb Mayweather is a Welterweight then what is 165lb Marcos Maidana, presumably a middleweight in the right then?

 

Genuine question, instead of being your cretinous self as per usual try and explain it or is there not an article out there written for you to use as evidence?

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Genuine question, instead of being your cretinous self as per usual try and explain it or is there not an article out there written for you to use as evidence?

Show me a weigh in pic (aside from De la Hoya - I'll give you that one) where Floyd looks undersized and a blown up super feather.

Absolute nonsense. Leonard, Duran and Hearns all entered the ring at the same weight Mayweather does.

We're not talking about the 1980's here Haz, we're talking about the modern 24 hour weigh in era where Mayweather entered the ring at 148lbs compared to Maidanas 165lbs. A picture doesn't prove a thing, the actual weights does.

Hammersmith harrier wrote:We're not talking about the 1980's here Haz, we're talking about the modern 24 hour weigh in era where Mayweather entered the ring at 148lbs compared to Maidanas 165lbs. A picture doesn't prove a thing, the actual weights does.

This entire thread is about Floyd versus four legends - three of whom fought in the 80's!

 

Judging by the way Floyd avoided Pacquiao he would have retired from boxing altogether if he thought he would ever have to fight Duran.

It would be like Floyd jumping into a pit with a wild boar. Carnage.

Uncle Roger wouldn't be so quick to jump the rope to Duran if he low blowed floyd:)

Strongback wrote:Judging by the way Floyd avoided Pacquiao he would have retired from boxing altogether if he thought he would every have to fight Duran.

It would be like Floyd jumping into a pit with a wild boar. Carnage.

Yeah, but that's only because he's a super featherweight and Duran's like....massive and stuff. After he'd weigh in, Duran would fight at 180 and Floyd actually loses 20 lbs. in the first hour after weighing in. I think he wears lead boxers or something because he's so brave.

I cant see Mayweather be willing to take on anything close to a peak Duran. Its just not what he does. A past it Duran maybe.

hazharrison wrote:

Strongback wrote:Judging by the way Floyd avoided Pacquiao he would have retired from boxing altogether if he thought he would every have to fight Duran.

It would be like Floyd jumping into a pit with a wild boar. Carnage.

Yeah, but that's only because he's a super featherweight and Duran's like....massive and stuff. After he'd weigh in, Duran would fight at 180 and Floyd actually loses 20 lbs. in the first hour after weighing in. I think he wears lead boxers or something because he's so brave.

Floyd is 10 years at welter but apparently he isn't a welterweight. It makes perfect sense if you're a Flamo.

Chuck Norris has Floyd mayweather pjs.