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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Sun May 25, 2014 7:08 pm

First topic message reminder :

Well, it's all decided now.

Birmingham City
Blackburn Rovers
Blackpool
Bolton Wanderers
Bournemouth
Brentford
Brighton & Hove Underdogs
Cardiff City
Charlton Athletic
Derby County
Fulham
Huddersfield Town
Ipswich Town
Leeds United
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Norwich City
Nottingham Forest
Reading
Rotherham United
Sheffield Wednesday
Watford
Wigan Athletic
Wolverhampton Wanderers

Forest have Pearce, Leeds may have investment, Olly has reasons to be cheerful and Wigan don't have European distractions.



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Post by GSC Wed Apr 01, 2015 11:17 am

Bolton are in 172.9m worth of debt and have no FFP penalties. Similarly Brighton have like 100m I think.

But god forbid an owner invest his own money in players when PL failures get millions. FL owners voting for FFP was the equivalent of turkeys voting for Christmas. The gulf between the PL and Championship is growing out of hand, and soon enough it'll be repeated between yo yo clubs and the rest of the division
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Post by Derbymanc Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:08 pm

I've said from the start that FFP is a good idea but it needs a hell of a lot of tweaks to keep everything on an even keel. An owner should be allowed to plough as much into a club as he wants the only thing is that the debt should fall on him/her and not the club itself.

It protects the club itself and allows the owner to get involved as much as they want.

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Post by GSC Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:36 pm

FFP is merely a tool to protect the elite.

The elite in the Championship will be those earning 30m a year from the PL
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Post by NickisBHAFC Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:51 pm

GSC wrote:Bolton are in 172.9m worth of debt and have no FFP penalties. Similarly Brighton have like 100m I think.

But god forbid an owner invest his own money in players when PL failures get millions. FL owners voting for FFP was the equivalent of turkeys voting for Christmas. The gulf between the PL and Championship is growing out of hand, and soon enough it'll be repeated between yo yo clubs and the rest of the division
Brighton? Id love to know where you found that? We passed FFP last year as well.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:42 pm

Think Derby need to change their name from "Derby County" to "Derby Chokers"
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Post by Derbymanc Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:20 am

You can do better than that Olly, On the one hand i'm absolutely gutted at how our season has fallen apart, on the other our defence is woeful (what were they all doing for the second) and my worry is that if we go up we could be in for some absolute shockers if we don't change the whole back 4.

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Post by FootballLight Sun Apr 05, 2015 1:13 pm

We have been in trouble and fined for breaching financial rules. We got fined £30,000 just last week for borrowing money. We borrowed £10.5m last August and followed up with a further £5.6m which obviously meant the FDC didn't like it.

I'll be very surprised if we pass the FFP. Laugh

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Post by FootballLight Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:34 pm

What a huge goal that could be... Never once expected someone like Woodgate, yes the defender once of Newcastle and Real Madrid, to make that kind of error.

Off up to Blackpool tomorrow night with probably another 100-300 Reading fans as well in the hopes that we can finally send them down and we can just give ourselves a comfortable margin above the bottom 3.

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Post by Nico the gman Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:29 pm

Once again a pathetic non performance,much the same as the Bournemouth game.

1 striker up front against Bournemouth,1 striker up front against Watford and 1 shot on target in both games,clean sheet on Friday against Wigan,so Karanka drops 2 defenders and play's 2 debutants,give your head a shake Karanka, this is rank amateurish management.

Don't fancy us to get anything at Norwich,glad this was on Sky so fans on 606 can see what I mean about Adam Reach being totally overrated and ineffective,and we send Carayol to Brighton on loan unbelievable.

We have bottled it.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon Apr 06, 2015 3:53 pm

Bournemouth <3

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:10 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Bournemouth <3

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Post by Derbymanc Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:12 pm

Derby 1 up, have we finally stopped the rot (flippin hope so)

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Post by Nico the gman Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:12 pm

Nico the gman wrote:Once again a pathetic non performance,much the same as the Bournemouth game.

1 striker up front against Bournemouth,1 striker up front against Watford and 1 shot on target in both games,clean sheet on Friday against Wigan,so Karanka drops 2 defenders and play's 2 debutants,give your head a shake Karanka, this is rank amateurish management.

Don't fancy us to get anything at Norwich,glad this was on Sky so fans on 606 can see what I mean about Adam Reach being totally overrated and ineffective,and we send Carayol to Brighton on loan unbelievable.

We have bottled it.
Stats in our local paper have us with 2 shots on target against Watford, forget about Lee Tomlins weak volley straight at the keeper.

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Post by Fernando Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:37 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Bournemouth <3

Very Happy Very Happy

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Post by GSC Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:38 pm

Tyler Walker now level with his dad on goals scored for Forest.
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Post by packofwolves Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:42 pm

This is shredding my nerves, and we don't even play til quarter past 5. If Forest and Huddersfield can hold on for the last ten they'd be doing us a massive favour!

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Post by Fernando Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:44 pm

Looks like the top 2 are being cut down from 8 to 4 with a 4 pts gap between 4th & 5th

Bournemouth & Watford with fairly simple run ins too, Norwich to play Boro so could be fun few weeks.


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Post by Guest Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:46 pm

GSC wrote:Tyler Walker now level with his dad on goals scored for Forest.

Just the winner in a FA Cup final to go then.

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Post by Fernando Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:54 pm

When your having a bad day from some guy on Twitter

I cashed out for £20 when Birmingham scored twice, now Bournemouth are winning I would be winning £890...

Sad times....

I feel like this is something Duty would do Laugh

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Post by Nico the gman Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:54 pm

Fernando wrote:Looks like the top 2 are being cut down from 8 to 4 with a 4 pts gap between 4th & 5th

Bournemouth & Watford with fairly simple run ins too, Norwich to play Boro so could be fun few weeks.
Watford at Forest could be interesting, Norwich will put paid to us and fancy them automatic with Bournemouth.

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Post by NickisBHAFC Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:55 pm

Please don't let Bourenmouth go up. Can already hear the pundits in my head calling them small little Bourenmouth when they have money to burn! Entertaining team mind. 

Team I love is Brentford. They never give up. Can't believe they are getting rid of mark Waterburn at the end of the season.

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Post by Fernando Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:58 pm

Whilst they have money to burn Nick, FFP won't allow them too essentially so prepare for small little Bournemouth with the smallest stadium..

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Post by Fernando Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:59 pm

Blackpool are relegated to League 1.

Nothing more then Karl Oyston deserves the Kumquat.

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Post by Guest Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:00 pm

What does money to burn mean? How much of a difference will it make in the big league? Why do birds sing so gay?

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Post by Fernando Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:01 pm

FreekShow wrote:What does money to burn mean?  How much of a difference will it make in the big league? Why do birds sing so gay?

They are owned by a billionaire on the quiet, Well they could buy a new squad if need be Laugh, Because Nick taught them

#MysteriesSolved

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Post by Nico the gman Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:03 pm

NickisBHAFC wrote:Please don't let Bourenmouth go up. Can already hear the pundits in my head calling them small little Bourenmouth when they have money to burn! Entertaining team mind. 

Team I love is Brentford. They never give up. Can't believe they are getting rid of mark Waterburn at the end of the season.
Problem Bournemouth will have is attracting top players even with money to spend, gonna need a top scouting network.

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Post by Guest Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:04 pm

Lovely stuff, Nando thumbsup

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Post by NickisBHAFC Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:06 pm

I just hate the fact people class them as a small club. Yes the fanbase and staidum isn't big at all but if you can have a 7 million pound bid rejected for a birmingham player in January suggests they have a lot of dosh. Wilson, Rante, Ritche, O Kane have all been spent big in the last few years. As well as big wages on Jones, Bouric etc.  

Sorry for Blackpool supporters, nice football club that has being destroyed by the chairman. Was a pleasure joining in the protest back in January and an enjoyable weekend up there. M

Wigan and Millwall I expect will follow soon.

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Post by Nico the gman Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:12 pm

Top players going to Bournemouth they will need to offer Ya Ya Toure style wages,its not an attractive proposition unless mega buck mercenary wages.

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Post by Nico the gman Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:23 pm

What has happened to Blackpool is nothing short of criminal, feel for their fans they deserve so much better.

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Post by Crimey Mon Apr 06, 2015 5:39 pm

What happened with Karl Oyston? I know he's very unpopular right now, but it was only a few years ago that Blackpool fans seemed to adore him. Was it just him stopping spending money on the club?

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Post by NickisBHAFC Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:32 pm

That's what I thought crimey, it's since the premiership days I understand the problems started. Fans seem to think he went a bit mental in the head and has just done one bad thing after an other. He seems to just take the fan out of everything. I.e Jon Lewis was a popular player on loan from Cardiff and he personally refused to re-sign him on loan without any justification.

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Post by GSC Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:37 pm

As I understand, he and his family members paid themselves significant sums from the PL money as Directors fees
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Post by Fernando Mon Apr 06, 2015 7:45 pm

Crimey wrote:What happened with Karl Oyston? I know he's very unpopular right now, but it was only a few years ago that Blackpool fans seemed to adore him. Was it just him stopping spending money on the club?

These sum it up for the most part.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/blackpool-owners-owen-karl-oyston-5134418

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2888709/Karl-Oyston-s-texts-revealed-true-nature-Blackpool-chairman-club-deserve-break-obnoxious-reign.html

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Post by NickisBHAFC Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:02 pm

Malky McKay sacked. New manager at Wigan is gonna need to win all 5 games to stand any chance of staying up. Best of luck to him.

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Post by GSC Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:26 pm

Wigan should do a Wolves. No idea how they ended there
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:31 pm

Lot of decent players in that squad - no way they should be down there.

Mackay will do well to get another job anytime soon
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon Apr 06, 2015 9:05 pm

GSC wrote:As I understand, he and his family members paid themselves significant sums from the PL money as Directors fees

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2012/mar/06/blackpool-karl-oyston-players-wages

Only the odd £11 million eh
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Post by FootballLight Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:20 am

That's Mackay gone and about time. He just was never cut out for the job, although, they still managed to beat us at the Madejski, what a surprise.

Suffer the long trip up to Blackpool for tonights game. The only reason I'm going is because I was hoping this would be Blackpool's game where they confirm relegation. Seems like Rotherham did that for them last night. This could be an awful game....

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Post by dyrewolfe Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:49 pm

Nico the gman wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:Once again a pathetic non performance,much the same as the Bournemouth game.

1 striker up front against Bournemouth,1 striker up front against Watford and 1 shot on target in both games,clean sheet on Friday against Wigan,so Karanka drops 2 defenders and play's 2 debutants,give your head a shake Karanka, this is rank amateurish management.

Don't fancy us to get anything at Norwich,glad this was on Sky so fans on 606 can see what I mean about Adam Reach being totally overrated and ineffective,and we send Carayol to Brighton on loan unbelievable.

We have bottled it.
Stats in our local paper have us with 2 shots on target against Watford, forget about Lee Tomlins weak volley straight at the keeper.


Well, we seem to be doing our level best to ensure we have to take part in the play-offs.

I was unlucky enough to catch both games.

We dominated against Wigan and should have had 3 or 4, but for some atrocious passing, crossing and finishing. Also why do we NEVER have anyone at the far post (in general, not this match specifically)? The number of tap-ins we could have had is ridiculous. Worrying that Wigan almost made us pay for the missed chances, towards the end.

Very weak performacne against Watford. Seems like most of the squad are suffering end-of-season jitters, or apathy or something. Our standard of play has really fallen away since the Ipswich game a few weeks ago. Fair enough, Watford played well, but they weren't exceptional and certainly weren't unbeatable. Think Adomah and Dimi were about the only players to come out of that game with any credit.

- We don't fight hard enough to win the ball back
- We stand off the opposition too much, encouraging them to shoot
- Passing is either slow, safe and predictable, or ridiculously ambitious, meaning we are either ineffectual or give possession away cheaply.
- Final balls / crosses are often wayward

From the way we're playing at the moment, AK would have to do some serious spending to keep us up, if we were to get promoted. A few weeks ago consistency was our biggest problem - we'd be good one game and poor the next, but now the players really do look like they're struggling.

5 games to go now and 3 look very winnable (providing we play to our potential). Should be enough to keep us in the top 6, if not the top 2. My predictions...just for laughs...

Rotherham (H) - Win
Wolves (H) - Draw
Norwich (A) - Loss
Fulham (A) - Win
Brighton (H) - Win

Would give us 85 points. The way Bournemouth, Norwich and Watford are going right now, I see us missing out on automatic promotion by a point or two.
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Post by Nico the gman Tue Apr 07, 2015 4:19 pm

dyrewolfe wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:Once again a pathetic non performance,much the same as the Bournemouth game.

1 striker up front against Bournemouth,1 striker up front against Watford and 1 shot on target in both games,clean sheet on Friday against Wigan,so Karanka drops 2 defenders and play's 2 debutants,give your head a shake Karanka, this is rank amateurish management.

Don't fancy us to get anything at Norwich,glad this was on Sky so fans on 606 can see what I mean about Adam Reach being totally overrated and ineffective,and we send Carayol to Brighton on loan unbelievable.

We have bottled it.
Stats in our local paper have us with 2 shots on target against Watford, forget about Lee Tomlins weak volley straight at the keeper.


Well, we seem to be doing our level best to ensure we have to take part in the play-offs.

I was unlucky enough to catch both games.

We dominated against Wigan and should have had 3 or 4, but for some atrocious passing, crossing and finishing. Also why do we NEVER have anyone at the far post (in general, not this match specifically)? The number of tap-ins we could have had is ridiculous. Worrying that Wigan almost made us pay for the missed chances, towards the end.

Very weak performacne against Watford. Seems like most of the squad are suffering end-of-season jitters, or apathy or something. Our standard of play has really fallen away since the Ipswich game a few weeks ago. Fair enough, Watford played well, but they weren't exceptional and certainly weren't unbeatable. Think Adomah and Dimi were about the only players to come out of that game with any credit.

- We don't fight hard enough to win the ball back
- We stand off the opposition too much, encouraging them to shoot
- Passing is either slow, safe and predictable, or ridiculously ambitious, meaning we are either ineffectual or give possession away cheaply.
- Final balls / crosses are often wayward

From the way we're playing at the moment, AK would have to do some serious spending to keep us up, if we were to get promoted. A few weeks ago consistency was our biggest problem - we'd be good one game and poor the next, but now the players really do look like they're struggling.

5 games to go now and 3 look very winnable (providing we play to our potential). Should be enough to keep us in the top 6, if not the top 2. My predictions...just for laughs...

Rotherham (H) - Win
Wolves (H) - Draw
Norwich (A) - Loss
Fulham (A) - Win
Brighton (H) - Win

Would give us 85 points. The way Bournemouth, Norwich and Watford are going right now, I see us missing out on automatic promotion by a point or two.
The Wigan game, easy game made to look hard,haven't seen Leadbitter give the ball away as much as he is at present,2 game ban might recharge his batteries, if we can come through next 2 home games unscathed without him.

I feel Karanka is going into big away games not to lose rather than trying to win them,when your top of the league you let the opposition do the worrying not the other way round, Mogga style mentality.

The same tactics we failed with at Bournemouth where employed against Watford with the same result,as a manager your supposed to learn by your mistakes, typical stubborn boss, Karanka seems to have to wait till we're 2 down before changing tactics.
What's the chances of us playing with 1 striker up front against Norwich,probably absolute certainty.

My predictions
Rotherham (H) Win
Wolves       (H) Win  
Norwich      (A) Certain loss
Fulham       (A) Draw
Brighton     (H) Win

The dreaded play offs and its anyone's shout.

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