Pulev Casting Dispersions On Wlad - Heavy Inference of Juicing

“About doping, the very fact that he refuses to play by the rules means that he’s hiding something. Maybe he’s afraid. That’s his choice, but this makes him a fake champion,” Pulev said, as quoted by Bulgarian sports daily Tema Sport.

“Nothing prevents him from submitting a sample to show that we have an equal starts. From what I see and what he is doing, it is clear that he is afraid to play by the rules. I do not know if he’s taking anabolic [steroids] or something else; whatever it is, I’ll manage,” Pulev is reported to have said.

This is the second time since the date of the Pulev-Klitschko fight was announced last month that the 33-year-old Bulgarian boxer has hit out at his 38-year-old opponent for refusing to accept being tested for banned substances during training.

“I must always be available and notify where I am staying and where I can be found at any moment. Why is this not true for Wladimir Klitschko? That would be only fair,” Pulev told German news agency DPA on June 25.
Pulev says he has already been tested once since the announcement was made. “I am not hiding, unlike him, and I have been tested once already. There is no problem – I’m on apples, oranges and pears. I am keeping my regimen and preparing according to rules. My conscience is clear, but I am not so sure about his,” he told Tema Sport.

A former European heavyweight champion, Pulev has a 20-0 record since turning professional, with 11 of those wins coming by knockout. He achieved mandatory challenger status from the International Boxing Federation (IBF) in August 2013, after defeating American boxer Tony Thompson.

Pulev, nicknamed “the Cobra”, has made no secret of his desire to fight Klitschko and has repeatedly suggested, over the past year, that the Ukrainian was “afraid” to fight him.

After Klitschko defended his WBO world title against Australian challenger Alex Leapai in April, the IBF said that he would be stripped of his title if he did not fight Pulev next.

I'd be surprised If any heavy from the mid 60s to the present hasn't indulged..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'd be surprised If any heavy from the mid 60s to the present hasn't indulged..

I suspect Wlad has taken it to Ivan Dragon levels.

Would it be surprising if everybody did? Don't Steroids help with injuries as well as muscle mass?

Given big bro's history, you would've thought that Wlad would be keen to dispel any rumours and risks to his reputation in the only way possible - VADA random testing.

Er...we cast aspersions not dispersions.

For a suppsed smart man, Lord Poshington Twonkface of Hearnlove Hall now evokes images of Tim Nice-but-Dim

Wasn't tim nice-but-dim meant to be nice as well as dim? Clue in the name? If you're going to disperse your aspersions, get em right dave.

STRONGY is nice, he doesn't post on here all the time thus not irritating the sh!t out of everyone 24/7.

Tim Nice-but-Dim or Strongy Bitter-and-thicker-than-a-log-in-the-sh!tter...depends which you prefer

All just banter with me daveyboy. I have no problem with anyone who posts, we always have the option of not joining in! Unless someone diss' Ray Leonard, obviously.

milkyboy wrote:All just banter with me daveyboy. I have no problem with anyone who posts, we always have the option of not joining in! Unless someone diss' Ray Leonard, obviously.

That's just silly, where would we be if people just bloody well kept their nose out?

Good point. As per earlier discussion... plenty of people are opting not to join in. I'll keep sticking my nose in and insulting people as usual then.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if upwards of 75% of top boxers had partook in something illegal, be it steroids, EPO, TRT, etc

With the right people and any decent level of intelligence/knowledge (say a PhD in Sports Science!) it is much easier to avoid detection than it is for enforcement agencies to catch you. The only athletes that get caught are either complacent, unlucky, or subject to a particularly concerted and specialised investigation.

There's no easy answer to this. No one wants to pay for the type of testing that it would take to deter PED use.

Not saying Wlad is using PEDs, but it absolutely would not surprise me. If he was, I'd imagine he'd be one of the ones too smart to get caught though.

Whilst I am not naïve enough to believe for a minute that in a sport where testing is so inadequate and the punishments are so lenient that PED abuse in boxing will not be rife, I do find myself becoming increasingly frustrated with the seeming trend to convict people on little more than the word of a loudmouth rival. Might be the whiny Guardian reading liberal in me but the concept of innocent till proven guilty should apply and many of the fighters who get these accusations thrown at them, be it Wlad, Manny or Marquez have, to the best of my knowledge not failed a test.

Am quite sure some of our top stars will be using and will be gaining an advantage by these means. However some will be doing so by hard graft, skill and dedication and without knowing who is who think we should not be so quick to jump on such accusations, particularly when they are as baseless as this one appears to be.

About drugs, did anyone see either of the Lance Armstrong documentaries last week? Fascinating!

I'm a whiny Liberal...Also had a lot of experience with steroids...

Helps when you have first hand knowledge of subjects like this...

Regardless of how many are using, all should be tested, and the heavyweight champion not getting tested while his opponent is sets a pretty crap example.

Dipper Brown wrote:About drugs, did anyone see either of the Lance Armstrong documentaries last week? Fascinating!

I did dipper, agree, completely fascinating. Could almost forgive him the doping, as it genuinely appears everyone was at it but the suing of people who were essentially telling the truth was beyond the pale. Odd bloke all told, very cold and scarily ruthless.

Yeah I understand the doping as the playing field wasn't level at the time. It's the abuse of power that was the crime. I found him to be a terrifying character

Dipper you need to read Tyler Hamilton's book Mate..

Truly incredible account of the Armstrong network..

Good shout. Cheers Truss

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:I'm a whiny Liberal...Also had a lot of experience with steroids...

Helps when you have first hand knowledge of subjects like this...

Was listening to squeeze earlier, does this sum up your steroid experience truss?

I want to be so flash
I give a little muscle
And I spend a little cash
But all I get is bitter and a nasty little rash

Well unfortunately it wouldn't surprise me if wlad was on the sauce. I don't see any reason why boxing isn't as rife as cycling. Especially when the gains are so huge, the testing and the punishment so lenient. 

I watched the Armstrong doc too, he is ruthless.

Good for Pulev for calling him out. There's an easy way for Wlad to dispel any rumours.

Any tall guy carrying a lot of muscle will be suspected of using.

Take a fighter like Haye who packed on a lot of muscle while cutting body fat when he moved to HW. People with a weight training background wonder about how these gains were made.

In general tall men over 6'3 don't naturally carry a lot of muscle.

There's a place in Johannesburg called Hillbrow which contains lots of West Africans that would lay waste to that theory Strongy, as would almost any Afrikaans household I've ever been to.

kingraf wrote: There's a place in Johannesburg called Hillbrow which contains lots of West Africans that would lay waste to that theory Strongy, as would almost any Afrikaans household I've ever been to.

How many of them look like Wlad?

Please don't exaggerate.

Strongback wrote:Any tall guy carrying a lot of muscle will be suspected of using.

Take a fighter like Haye who packed on a lot of muscle while cutting body fat when he moved to HW.  People with a weight training background wonder about how these gains were made.

In general tall men over 6'3 don't naturally carry a lot of muscle.

As a boxer, gains are easy. If you lead an ascetic life then you don't the pounds soon pile on. Starvation plus training equals catabolisation. Eating correctly plus training leads to growth. Dont dehydrate dont starve and youll fight at least one weight category above.

..and be more muscular for it

Mate, it's no exaggeration. Hop onto the rugby board and and ask Fa019 about the average Afrikaner male, I wouldn't notice Wlad if he stepped into my gym.

There's a reason South Africa ruled world rugby on and off for nearly half a century, before PEDs became candy... Afrikaans people are built like brick Poopie, always have been.

As for West Africans... well, hard to exaggerate how big those guys are and get... isn't Anthony Joshua of west African descent?

Strongback wrote:Any tall guy carrying a lot of muscle will be suspected of using.

Take a fighter like Haye who packed on a lot of muscle while cutting body fat when he moved to HW.  People with a weight training background wonder about how these gains were made.

In general tall men over 6'3 don't naturally carry a lot of muscle.

As a boxer, gains are easy. If you lead an ascetic life then you don't the pounds soon pile on. Starvation plus training equals catabolisation. Eating correctly plus training leads to growth. Dont dehydrate dont starve and youll fight at least one weight category above.

Wlad gets tested in germany by nada - easily the best and most advanced testing system in the world and required to publish their results. Vada would be ideal mostly to settle our minds but no one can turn their nose up at Nada. Reckon Klitchkos superiority lies in excessive caution and supreme dedication to his craft allied with a whole array of athletic skills for a man of his size. Don't think wlad is doping at all and while you can never be sure - I think Wlads probably the least likely to be doing it. He had stamina issues so he cuts down on throwing punches, stops wasting them - thats probably his big weakness (apart from chin - but no drugs in the world can fix that) and if he isn't using drugs to address that then why would he need to for other things where he is by far stronger than even his closest peer.

I don't know if gains are that easy as a boxer... While I don't agree with Strongy's assertion that 6'3+ guys are a rare occurrence, they are in boxing for obvious reasons. One of them being that it is damn difficult for a 250lbs man to be engaged in a mostly anaerobic exercise for 12 rounds

kingraf wrote:I don't know if gains are that easy as a boxer... While I don't agree with Strongy's assertion that 6'3+ guys are a rare occurrence, they are in boxing for obvious reasons. One of them being that it is damn difficult for a 250lbs man to be engaged in a mostly anaerobic exercise for 12 rounds

What? Boxers adhere to a program which inhibits bulk, this is combined with what is effectively starvation, this culminates in weight loss which is then compounded by dehydration. A slight ammendment to training focus, combined with a carb/protein diet, supplemented by fluid equalls weight gain. If you've never cut weight for a fight then dont bother commenting.

On a side note, wlads style of fighting does not exclusively rely on the anaerobic energy system.

Its been proven that when he does work anaerobically he is ruined.

Mate, you said as a boxer... gains are easy. I said I don't know how true that is... certainly doesn't explain why Manny Pacquiao, who walks around at 150, takes calorie shakes at 3 am to make welterweight.

Sorry, no beef. I kind of went on a rant.

No worries mate

I was just about to comment on how much of an ass you sounded by your "if you've never cut weight for a fight don't comment" piece 3fingers

I'd be surprised if Wlad is juicing, but you never know.

Haha, I realised with that comment I owed Raf an apology..however a sorry doesnt change the fact I'm an ass!

Don't worry, I'm sure Jabby, with his experience of sparring professional fighters, will be able to show us all up

Fingers on wlad... An ass talking about a donkey.

... You never did like those who haven't boxed having an opinion fella 

It's Mackem isn't it?

Always thought it was Jabby, that said I'm pretty pished right now so I have no idea

In all honesty, neither Joshua, Haye or Wlad (in that order) look like they have a very 'natural' physique, IMHO.

I first saw guys shooting test and deca in the gym when I was 15. Some competed in amateur bodybuilding shows as I did and others took drugs to look good in a t-shirt in a night club on Saturday night.

PED's are so prevalent in ordinary life I find it impossible to believe profession athletes who can make millions by using them don't bother with them. Tall guys bulked up with muscle who have a body fat level of less than 10% are an oxymoron in my experience and I've trained in many countries over more than 2 decades. The yanks eat steroids like candy.

An example of a tall man with a good muscular physique and who was natural was Jack Johnson. At just over 6 foot his best weight was around 200lbs. I would call him a freak in terms of his natural physique. Another would be Sailor Tom Sharkey. They are few and far between and none of them are much over 6 foot tall.

I train with a lot of guys who are 6"4 plus, don't take steroids and have great physiques.... And they have jobs to work around... These guys do this day in, day out, 24/7, not really suprising that they have incredible physique's... I am in pretty damn good shape, I have a job to work around, go to the gym only 3-5 times a week and aren't really 100% that committed to particular diets etc. And have never touched steroids.

Wouldn't even bother with a shot in the dark at Wlads BF%, but I have no issues buying that he's clean, he might not be, but in the absence of a freak change in abilities, I give him the benefit of the doubt. I agree, big guys at low BFs are a rarity, but to the best of my knowledge there is no real biological reason for this, other than that to grow proportionately, they'd have to work harder than, say me. But the same is true for me at 6'0 100kg, would have to work harder to achieve low BF, than a guy at 5'8 80kg. Seems more a self-fulfilling prophecy than a fact of science.
Where have you trained Strongy? Been to a few gyms round the world on school tours myself. Was only 70-75kg then though, but I didn't look too out of place in England, or Toronto... Flamed out in the States though. 100kg now (body fat % not great I grant you), but I'm probably still ceding major ground to the Afrikaans kids on the grounds that they're f.ucking 6'8. They're like real-life nephillim or something.

kingraf wrote:Wouldn't even bother with a shot in the dark at Wlads BF%, but I have no issues buying that he's clean, he might not be, but in the absence of a freak change in abilities, I give him the benefit of the doubt. I agree, big guys at low BFs are a rarity, but to the best of my knowledge there is no real biological reason for this, other than that to grow proportionately, they'd have to work harder than, say me. But the same is true for me at 6'0 100kg, would have to work harder to achieve low BF, than a guy at 5'8 80kg. Seems more a self-fulfilling prophecy than a fact of science.
Where have you trained Strongy?  Been to a few gyms round the world on school tours myself. Was only 70-75kg then though, but I didn't look too out of place in England, or Toronto... Flamed out in the States though. 100kg now (body fat % not great I grant you), but I'm probably still ceding major ground to the Afrikaans kids on the grounds that they're f.ucking 6'8. They're like real-life nephillim or something.

I spent a summer in America and trained in Golds and World gym in Venice and Santa Monica. Did a a couple of workouts on Muscle Beach just to say I did. Also did a stint in a gym in Rhode Island that had a couple of National Champ training there. I expected most people in California to be juicing but Rhode Island made me realize that the average American guy who picks up a weight is popping pills. I lived in London for almost a year and trained in Kings Gym which was mainly guys from the Caribbean and Africa, the guys had better genetics than the average white guy but they were all juicing as well. I've trained in different countries when on holidays and the story is the same. Hard training is hard training wherever you are. The Yanks though have the best access to gear and have the most experience in knowing how to use it.

The general rule we always went by in terms of body fat is if the abs are showing without a layer of body fat then that indicates a bf of 10% or less. I really mean no fat layer over the abs. Klitschko regularly achieves this.

AlexHuckerby wrote:I train with a lot of guys who are 6"4 plus, don't take steroids and have great physiques.... And they have jobs to work around... These guys do this day in, day out, 24/7, not really suprising that they have incredible physique's... I am in pretty damn good shape, I have a job to work around, go to the gym only 3-5 times a week and aren't really 100% that committed to particular diets etc. And have never touched steroids.

I've worked out with plenty and they struggle to put on muscle because of the size of their limbs generally.....Why most Mr Olympia's are under 6 ft..

Being on gear is nothing to be proud of..I never told anybody as I'm sure If these guys were on it they wouldn't tell you..

All about genetics but there is a correlation between strength and muscle...The shorter you are the smaller the range of motion which means heavier weight as you don't need to move the bar as far !!..