FA Cup Final Thread - 2014/15 season

[Fernando]

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FA Cup Final  

Arsenal vs Aston Villa

[FootballLight]

A midfielder up front scored for United. Fellaini could only be used as a Target Man for long balls up front, so what can LVG's excuse be now for not playing long balls? Again, its just United's quality that pulls them through. Preston have by far matched them tonight, just the quality is the biggest factor. A cross into the box met by United's midfielder target man.

LVG's pathetic excuses get better and better each week. The tactical genius for playing a midfielder up top, he'll take all the credit. In fairness though, it has worked. Arguing against myself there.

[FootballLight]

I'm not saying that. What I am saying is that someone who knows the club inside and out, from just a very young age, been a loyal legend at the club for 2 decades+ now and with everyone looking up to him in the dressing room, would it not have been a better fit for Giggs to have had a good 2 years at the club to see what he can produce? Maybe they did need someone with experience in this industry United, which is the only reason why I can think they hired LVG because of his reputation, but its hardly like Giggs will have made the situation worse from Moyes last season is it really?

[Guest]

another papering over the cracks result.

[Hero]

Don't quite get the clamour for Giggs, has he ever come across as a great motivator or public speaker? For me he personifies the word 'awkward' when faced with a camera.

[Hammersmith harrier]

You mean the midfielder who had his best season playing up top for Everton as a target?
Or are you talking about the inept LVG who has won league titles with four different teams in three different leagues?

But wait for it the novice Ryan Giggs would be a better option.

[Guest]

Zzzzzzzz game. United ponderous, no creativity & no variation, just so predictable under LVG. Preston are awful too.

The West Brom fan more concerned with Man United yet again.

Change the record son, you're quite boring, just like your football club.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Giggs could have taken that group and made absolutely no progress. LVG is incredibly experienced and getting results regardless of performances. For me that shows the team is playing for him cos they're getting over the line for him

[Hero]

If it ever was to become an ex player take the helm at Utd then Id want Red Nev taking the helm, someone that clearly is not afraid to call a spade a spade, and would have a healthy balance of respect and fear from the players. Giggs comes across too much as just wanting to be their mate.

[compelling and rich]

martin keown is a walking contradiction

he did well there fellaini the defender couldn't get near him but great defending to get the block in

that hit the wall, no but great play to get it up and down over the wall(the ball went over the bar)

[Fernando]

I have believed this for a while now but surely Giggs deservedly needs a 2nd crack at the whip for a slightly longer time now? He did pretty well to stop a sinking ship at United

Not so sure, I think Giggs got a ridiculous amount of praise for beating a terrible side in his first game.

And Rooney wasn't even close to being between the keeper and the ball there, would have been outrage if it had been disallowed (and hadn't been against the massive underdog).

Doesn't have to be close just needs to be in the eyeline of the keeper The keeper doesn't know if Shrek is offside considering it's come through a crowd so had to wait to dive to see if Rooney tried to tap in which means he's interfering with the keeper intentionally or not

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Smaller club matches bigger club in cup but loses cos of "quality" - never heard that one before in every year of the cup ever

[Hammersmith harrier]

Zzzzzzzz game. United ponderous, no creativity & no variation, just so predictable under LVG. Preston are awful too.

The West Brom fan more concerned with Man United yet again.

Change the record son, you're quite boring, just like your football club.

You do realise you don't have to watch them, considering you have no affiliation to the club I don't understand why you do.

[compelling and rich]

Don't quite get the clamour for Giggs, has he ever come across as a great motivator or public speaker? For me he personifies the word 'awkward' when faced with a camera.

nah scholes takes that title

[Fernando]

[Fernando]

Penalty to United, Never touched Rooney

Game over for Preston.

3-1 - Shrek pen

[Guest]

What a dive, dowd has been awful

[Fernando]

I do like how they excusing him as "He had to get out the way" Yes it's called jumping you idiot.

[Stella]

What a dive, dowd has been awful

Blame the keeper.

[Guest]

No, keeper is doing his job, made himself big, didn't touch ROONEY either. I'll blame the incompetent, out of shape dowd, who fell for the dive & gave a penalty for a quiet clear dive.

[compelling and rich]

to be fair dowd has been awful, that non yellow for davies was easily the worst decision of the game

[Stella]

No,  keeper is doing his job, made himself big, didn't touch ROONEY either. I'll blame the incompetent, out of shape dowd,  who fell for the dive & gave a penalty for a quiet clear dive.

Ok.

[Fernando]

What a dive, dowd has been awful

Blame the keeper.

Why he has the right to come for the ball? It's not his fault Rooney is nothing but a cheat.

[Hammersmith harrier]

I do like how they excusing him as "He had to get out the way"  Yes it's called jumping you idiot.

That's a rule that needs changing, if you jump to avoid contact then it should be a penalty as the tackler has impeded you, was an awful dive though.

[NickisBHAFC]

These refs continue to take Centre stage. Idiots. 

3 awful decisions tonight. 

1. United first goal - Offside. Rooney clearly in a offside position, doesn't touch the ball but keeper can't see anything. 

2. Kevin Davies. Yellow card all day long for that tackle on Smalling. 2 yellows make a red. 

3. Rooney diving. Looked a blatant dive, but I'll admit the keeper didn't help himself.

[Stella]

What a dive, dowd has been awful

Blame the keeper.

Why he has the right to come for the ball?  It's not his fault Rooney is nothing but a cheat.

He was never getting there. Poor keeping.

[Lowlandbrit]

1. United first goal - Offside. Rooney clearly in a offside position, doesn't touch the ball but keeper can't see anything.

At no point was he between the keeper and the ball...

[Dolphin Ziggler]

That aint a dive. Goalkeeper's challenge impeded him, if he doesnt get out the way he gets absolutely wiped out.

[Fernando]

What a dive, dowd has been awful

Blame the keeper.

Why he has the right to come for the ball?  It's not his fault Rooney is nothing but a cheat.

He was never getting there. Poor keeping.

He missed out by a second if hardly "Never getting there" it doesn't give Rooney the excuse to cheat regardless. Im sure if it happened to your side you'd be furious denying a chance to have a chance getting an equalizer (They came close until Ashley Young got in the way)

It's a dive everyday of the week Dolph, He left his leg hanging to try initiate contact. If he gets wiped then it's stonewall but without the contact it's nothing but a dive.

BBC trying to say it's a leg breaker

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

If United's first goal isn't offside I'd hope Norwich put a complaint in to the FA because we had one ruled out at derby for literally the same thing

[Hammersmith harrier]

It's a reckless challenge and should be a penalty but i'll agree there is no need for the theatrics.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Thats not what a foul is. He's fouled if he has to get himself out of the way unnaturally of a tackle.

Moreover, I dont think leaving a leg is a foul. Dragging a leg into someone is, leaving it and being hit isnt.

Keeper's fault anyway, what the hell was he doing?

[Stella]

Roy sticking up for his man.

As soon as the keeper came like a headless chicken, the word penalty was in my head. He didn't have to come but unwisely did. Poor keeping, and a deserved pen.

[Guest]

That doesn't make sense. Oh, Wayne isn't allowed to get wiped out??? Rubbish. You have to get wiped out to win the penalty, a penalty is being fouled in the box through contact. There was NO contact & Wayne threw himself on the floor before the keeper even got there. Just because you dont get hit, doesn't mean you earn a pen. bbc talking nonsense, Phil Neville/keown are embarrassing

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I agree on its a foul, it's a reckless tackle, but it is also a terrible dive by Rooney

[Fernando]

Thats not what a foul is. He's fouled if he has to get himself out of the way unnaturally of a tackle.

Moreover, I dont think leaving a leg is a foul. Dragging a leg into someone is, leaving it and being hit isnt.

Keeper's fault anyway, what the hell was he doing?

You're telling me he couldn't of hurdled the keeper there? He had no one challenging him so no issue with balance & the keepers leg was on sliding on the floor. Even a toddler can hurdle that without falling like Wayne did.

[Duty281]

That doesn't make sense. Oh, Wayne isn't allowed to get wiped out??? Rubbish. You have to get wiped out to win the penalty, a penalty is being fouled in the box through contact. There was NO contact & Wayne threw himself on the floor before the keeper even got there. Just because you dont get hit, doesn't mean you earn a pen. bbc talking nonsense, Phil Neville/keown are embarrassing

If you attempt to trip an opponent, as the keeper did, then it is a foul under the laws of the game.

Please learn said laws before commenting.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct.aspx

[Hammersmith harrier]

You are aware LiamB that a foul doesn't actually specify contact, if the attacking player is impeded by an careless, reckless or excessive force then it's a foul.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Like high foot is a foul and two footed tackles are dangerous, if you're impeded its a foul. Its never been all about the contact. If Rooney jumps over the legs, stumbles on landing and loses his footing, surely thats a foul?

[Fernando]

That describes literally 99% of all tackles in football though HH. I hope you are prepared for 100+ fouls a game.

[Guest]

He didn't intend to trip the keeper at all, your talking nonsense. He went to win the ball, didn't touch Wayne & the he dived over a leg on the floor, he could of easily avoided. So you go & read your laws, should keep you busy. If your going to call players moving or responding unnaturally to every opposition tackle, you have a foul every five seconds. Nonsense

[Hammersmith harrier]

That describes literally 99% of all tackles in football though HH. I hope you are prepared for 100+ fouls a game.

No it doesn't Nando, had it got the ball then it wouldn't have been reckless would it, as he'd have timed it properly.

LiamB, it's a foul and it's a penalty, under the laws of the game that cannot be denied.

[Duty281]

He didn't intend to trip the keeper at all, your talking nonsense. He went to win the ball, didn't touch Wayne & the he dived over a leg on the floor, he could of easily avoided. So you go & read your laws, should keep you busy. If your going to call players moving or responding unnaturally to every opposition tackle, you have a foul every five seconds. Nonsense

They are not my laws, my dear, they are the laws of football.

As the laws also specify, there is no need for there to be intent: careless or reckless play will suffice.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

But successful tackles win the ball. And minor infringements lead to advantage

[Fernando]

That describes literally 99% of all tackles in football though HH. I hope you are prepared for 100+ fouls a game.

No it doesn't Nando, had it got the ball then it wouldn't have been reckless would it, as he'd have timed it properly.

LiamB, it's a foul and it's a penalty, under the laws of the game that cannot be denied.

So every time someone attempts a tackle and misses with no contact it's a foul anyway?

Welcome to non-contact football people

[Duty281]

That describes literally 99% of all tackles in football though HH. I hope you are prepared for 100+ fouls a game.

No it doesn't Nando, had it got the ball then it wouldn't have been reckless would it, as he'd have timed it properly.

LiamB, it's a foul and it's a penalty, under the laws of the game that cannot be denied.

So every time someone attempts a tackle and misses with no contact it's a foul anyway?

Welcome to non-contact football people

Only if said tackle is considered reckless, careless or using excessive force.

[Hammersmith harrier]

That describes literally 99% of all tackles in football though HH. I hope you are prepared for 100+ fouls a game.

No it doesn't Nando, had it got the ball then it wouldn't have been reckless would it, as he'd have timed it properly.

LiamB, it's a foul and it's a penalty, under the laws of the game that cannot be denied.

So every time someone attempts a tackle and misses with no contact it's a foul anyway?

Welcome to non-contact football people

How often does that actually happen, dribbling with the ball is both proactive and reactive, the incident tonight led to a solely reactive action.

[Stella]

That describes literally 99% of all tackles in football though HH. I hope you are prepared for 100+ fouls a game.

No it doesn't Nando, had it got the ball then it wouldn't have been reckless would it, as he'd have timed it properly.

LiamB, it's a foul and it's a penalty, under the laws of the game that cannot be denied.

So every time someone attempts a tackle and misses with no contact it's a foul anyway?

Welcome to non-contact football people

Them the rules. It is a bit grey!!

[Fernando]

That describes literally 99% of all tackles in football though HH. I hope you are prepared for 100+ fouls a game.

No it doesn't Nando, had it got the ball then it wouldn't have been reckless would it, as he'd have timed it properly.

LiamB, it's a foul and it's a penalty, under the laws of the game that cannot be denied.

So every time someone attempts a tackle and misses with no contact it's a foul anyway?

Welcome to non-contact football people

Only if said tackle is considered reckless,careless or using excessive force.

95% of mistimed tackles are one of them though Duty.

[Stella]

Utd - Liverpool final? The draw will have it's say, but I'd like this one.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Gerrard should be getting a Wembley date. Personally i'd like as big a game as possible, so United or Arsenal vs Liverpool works for me. If it could end with Gerrard in tears as they lose then all the better

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