V2 Football Podcast - Should England build the team around Harry Kane?

This week, the lads ask 2 big questions (1) How good is Harry Kane and (2) Are Man Utd rubbish?

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Build a team around Harry Kane



England fans never learn do they. 1st it was Rooney then it was Wilshere then Walcott then Sterling then Townsend then Barkley now Kane

It seems every time someone has a purple patch we feel the need to build a team around them.

If teams were built around 1 player Portugal would be doing a lot better then they are. It's about build a team with Kane/Rooney/Sterling/Barkley etc rather then 1 player.

How about we keep calm about the hype around Harry Kane, bearing in mind he has only been this wonderful for two months?

embarrassing all this Kane stuff. No doubt, when he scores vs minnows like Lithuania, it will get worse. Great talent, nothing more at this stage.

Cheers for the listen chaps;

As your aware, think the consensus amongst us on the podcast was, yes get excited about him but frek building a team around him.

For me you build a system which is suitable for the players you have, it's then the players responsibility to perform in that system...if they dont, they dont get selected simple as that. Would stop this embarassing english trait of squeezing in players in positions they dont fit just for names sake, regardless of how tosh they are playing.

Here's a question to answer for next week (haven't listen i was going in general )

Would you play Rooney is midfield now like he does at United leaving more space for Kane & Sturridge/Barkley up top.

No, because Barkley isnt good enough for england yet, kane is unproven, not going to be proven either against lithuania types & sturridge is injury prone & a poor finisher, as the wc proved.

so you'd want this (front three behind kane can rotate)

-----------henderson----rooney------------
walcott-----------sterling----------sturridge--
--------------------kane-----------------------

I'd much prefer the England team to learn flexibility in set up. No definite formation that England play that we always stick to.

People really don't want Kane to succeed do they, when the goals dry up (which I hope they don't) people will get the pitch forks out. I also want him to do well as he doesn't come across like a bel*end like some players. Cough Whilshere cough.

Do we not moan every time a player is picked purely on reputation despite being in a rut of form whilst other players are playing out of their skin and get overlooked?
Here's a player who's currently on fire, only Messi in all the top leagues in Europe has more goals since the start of the year. Sure that form may and probably will wane but as it stands he is THE best English striker option we have. I'd have him as the spearhead of an attack with Rooney/Sterling/Sturridge behind (Sturridge once 100% fit, until then Welbeck).

People just love to moan unfortunately mate. If we win the World Cup, sure people will find a way to winge.

Did anyone actually listen before jumping on the title of the thread

NickisBHAFC wrote:People just love to moan unfortunately mate. If we win the World Cup, sure people will find a way to winge.

Let go of that if, Nick.

Good luck to Kane. Terrific season thus far.

Obviously it's never ever going to happen. Just saying if it did people would still find a way to moan!

NickisBHAFC wrote:People really don't want Kane to succeed do they

No, it's realism.

Two months do not make a player world-class. Not even one fantastic season makes a player world-class (yes, that means you, Gareth Bale).

I know people go on about him having no weaknesses, but he will have, time & watching him closely will unearth something & that's when teams nullify your threat. Happens in all sports, only the truly elite stars can overcome increased attention & marking. Interesting to see how Kane is fairing in a month or so or indeed next season, when the new kid in the block surprise has worn off.

Duty281 wrote:

NickisBHAFC wrote:People really don't want Kane to succeed do they

No, it's realism.

Two months do not make a player world-class. Not even one fantastic season makes a player world-class (yes, that means you, Gareth Bale).

You don't think Gareth Bale is world class? But you actually rate Theo Walcott as you have said before? 

Christ all mighty.

hampo171 wrote:Did anyone actually listen before jumping on the title of the thread

No you lost credibility the day you allowed Nick on the podcast

NickisBHAFC wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

NickisBHAFC wrote:People really don't want Kane to succeed do they

No, it's realism.

Two months do not make a player world-class. Not even one fantastic season makes a player world-class (yes, that means you, Gareth Bale).

You don't think Gareth Bale is world class? But you actually rate Theo Walcott as you have said before? 

Christ all mighty.

No, Gareth Bale is not world-class (nor is he a better player than Henry was in his prime).

Theo Walcott is also not world-class, or even close to.

By "rate Theo Walcott", do you mean the times I have said he is the best option on the right of England's midfield, ahead of Townsend and Milner?

Gareth Bale definitely is world class.

Gareth Bale isn't world class? I've heard it all now.

Ronaldo and Messi are world-class.

In what strange world is Gareth Bale at that level, presently?

If you have to be as good as Messi and Ronaldo to be classed as world class, then there has been about 5 world class players since the game began.

If Gareth Bale is the level of a world-class player, you may as well hand out such accolades in cereal packets.

See, I can do hyperbole as well!

Very few players are world-class, hence the name.

To be "World Class" you should be able to walk into any side in the world in your position & Gareth Bale doesn't do that.

I'd argue the only side Bale doesn't walk in to is Bayern, certainly a world class player.

If he doesn't walk into that side he's not "World Class"

He's a very talented guy but if i told people to name the top 5 players in world football i doubt he'd be on the list at the present time. There is a reason the Madrid fans are getting on his back and it's because he's not as good as last season.

Fernando wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Did anyone actually listen before jumping on the title of the thread

No you lost credibility the day you allowed Nick on the podcast

Nick's the comedy sidekick for light relief.

Hero wrote:

Fernando wrote:

hampo171 wrote:Did anyone actually listen before jumping on the title of the thread

No you lost credibility the day you allowed Nick on the podcast

Nick's the comedy sidekick for light relief.

To be a comedy sidekick you have to be funny.....

Messi and Ronaldo are elite footballers, if we're defining world class based on them then there are no other world class players in the world. World class for me is just below the elite level, Bale certainly fits in to that category, same as Suarez.

That's where you & I differ.

For me it goes World Class, Highly Talented, Talented, Average, Below Average and finally People happy to sit on the bench like Anderson/Boyata etc

Who is currently World Class for you Nando?

England (and in club football) should always build their team around their best player. This has always been Rooney and for me still is regardless of Kane's success this season. Not taking anything away from the lad, he has truly been fantastic this season and deserves to lead the line as England's No.9 for me this year, however, nobody can be sure that this isn't just a one-hit-wonder season, which it could be. But then again, he can only build on this season and develop into a better player. Could be something special for England.

Kane, Berahino, Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck. England have 5 really good strikers available to them imo. Lambert, Defoe, Crouch etc will be waiting in the wings, but there is little they can do when you are competing with strikers like them. The future looks bright for England. They also have Sterling, Walcott, Oxlade-Chaimberlin, Ibe, Townsend etc all out wide that are all coming through and still yet to develop. Barkley, Lallana, Rooney that can all play in that No.10 role very effectively and Barkley has big promise also.

My future England team is:

------------------------Hart----------------------
---Walker-----Stones------Caulker---Shaw---
-------------Henderson----Wilshere------------
---Sterling-------------------------------AOC---
-----------------Kane--------Berahino----------

I can always see England playing 4-4-2 and I think with them players it would work like a charm personally. Still players such as Jones, Chambers, Clyne, Barkley, Delph, Flanagan, Gibbs, Townsend, Shelvey, Carroll, Rodriguez, Ibe etc still waiting in the wings. The future really does look bright for England and any of those players could play and not weaken the time right now. There is absolutely no reason why England can't be successful. The only problem is, are any of these payers going to better than what other top teams will have soon like Germany, Spain, Italt etc. That's the ultimate question for them lads.

Walker is massively overrated, and Sturridge ahead of Berahino everyday of the week

Yeah Clyne most likely to be the right back in the future, if nobody else comes through.

I actually forgot about Sturridge, thanks for that. Yeah Sturridge would replace Berahino, but he is certainly in back up for sure. Walker is class for me, just very injury prone and is > Clyne.

Walker is class?! Jesus Christ, in what respect?!

Walker can't defend at a Sunday league level which for a defender isn't great, Clyne is a far better player.

I certainly think Walker > Clyne. Although, if Clyne gets a bigger move and develops more with better players, he could be better.

What does Walker do better than Clyne? Certainly not better defensively, Clyne doesn't need to get bigger. He's the right size for a fullback.

Can't believe Caulker & Walker have been mentioned in a future england squad

For me, in my expert opinion for the major champs:

-----------------Hart----------------
Clyne----Stones-----Cahill----Shaw
---------Henderson-Wilshere-------
Sturridge------Rooney------Sterling
-----------------Kane----------------

You want to waste Sturridge on the wing? That makes your "expert" opinion about as interesting as Michael Owens voice.

It's called the front three behind Kane being flexible & interchanging, you probably don't know what that means.

You think a front 3 of Rooney, Sturridge and Kane, all of who want to play through the middle, would actually work? If you're going to play a formation with wingers, use proper wingers but then based on some of your comments you're utterly clueless and are genuinely here for no other reason to try and wind up other posters.

I await your next post/insult as much as I await a punch in the groin.

Kane is now the best player we have. Apparently.

Walker should be about 4th choice.

As far as I'm concerned the likes of Dier, Jenkinson, Mason, Berahino and Kane should be being transitioned into the squad. Ibe possibly has a chance if he gets more games.

Expect Hodgson to go 3-4-3 next time round, as he continues to copy Rodgers' formations.

LiamB wrote:Can't believe Caulker & Walker have been mentioned in a future england squad

For me, in my expert opinion for the major champs:

-----------------Hart----------------
Clyne----Stones-----Cahill----Shaw
---------Henderson-Wilshere-------
Sturridge------Rooney------Sterling
-----------------Kane----------------

Just thought I'd let you know, Cahill is 29 and will have 1 tournament left, same with Rooney as well, getting a little bit older now and only have 1 tournament left. The others will have a little bit more (Hart at a push).

I pretty much refuse to pick an England team with Wilshere in it. He'd be in the squad but I would worry too much about him being a focal point and then getting injured.

Based on current form and general standing, a 24 (just for outline purposes, take one player from midfield, defence or attack as per preference) would be:

Hart, Forster, then I'd have a young keeper like Butland

Clyne, Jenkinson, Shaw, Bertrand, Dier, Cahill, Stones and then there's really not a lot between Jones, Shawcross and Tomkins, though i'd have Jones personally.

Carrick, Milner, Henderson, Sterling, Barkley, the Ox, Lallana then Mason/Delph

Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Berahino, Kane

That leaves Walcott, Wilshere and Carroll all as options if they can prove their fitness and form. Jagielka is done as far as i'm concerned, whilst Carrick is there but a consideration to be left out cos of his age. Delph/Mason would be above Wilshere to get into the squad.

Not Ryan Mason, not by a long way. Delph possibly. Shawcross I rate high and I think he should play. Tomkins maybe not. Jones should be there in front of Dier. Dier has done nothing to deserve a place really. Agree with your strikers though.

Nathan Redmond will be in the discussion in 3-4 years time, really developed this season into a more consistent crosser of the ball, now just needs to become a more regular goalscorer (8-10 goals a year a good return for a wide man imo).

Exciting youngster, still got a long way to go