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Post by SirJohnnyEnglish Sun 22 Feb 2015, 3:59 pm

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Breaking News: Famous win for Wasps at Franklins Garden sees Saints fall off top spot for the first time this season while the battle for Champions Cup qualification intensifies with important wins for Saracens, Bath & Falcons
 


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2013/2014 – London Wasps
2012/2013 – Leicester Tigers 
2011/2012 – Newcastle Falcons 
2010/2011 - Newcastle Falcons 
2009/2010 – Saracens 
2008/2009 - London Irish





                                             

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Welcome to Season 7 of the Aviva Premiership fantasy rugby game.  Below are the rules of the game which must be adhered to.  If there are any situations that arise in the course of the game which are not covered by the rules, a final decision will be made by the RFU (SJE) as to how the situation will be resolved.
 
 
Senior Squads wrote:
The maximum squad size is 40 senior players.  If a team has more than 40 players in their squad then they will be fined £1 million per player over the permitted amounts per day for the first seven days. If after 7 consecutive days a team still has more than the permitted number of players then the team will be fined £2 million per player per day, and fined 1 league point per player per day for the next seven days. If after this time a team still has more than the permitted number of players in their squad, the RFU (SJE) will remove players at its discretion to bring them back under the permitted numbers. There will be no right of appeal to players being removed.

Be aware that all tier one international matches which are played during the season will count in the game, and players selected in the match day 23's for those matches will not be eligible to play for their clubs on that weekend, therefore you must give due consideration to the make-up of your squad.
Academy Rules wrote:
Each team will be allowed to have an academy squad of 20 players.  Players who are in the academy must be born on or after 1st September 1992. 

Any player, who is at any Premiership club in real life, either in their senior, academy or AASE squads, can be bid for on the domestic bidding page. Players who are at your own club in real life and are coming through the academy system must be bid for if you want them in your own academy.
Transfers wrote:

  • Domestic (other AP Teams)
    Each team has a budget to use in the purchase of players. Domestic transfers between AP clubs, regardless of nationality of player, should be negotiated between the respective managers, and then confirmed on the Domestic Transfer Confirmation Page.
  • Domestic (Championship and below)
    Each team may during the season purchase no more than 5 players from the Championship or the National Leagues. These players must be bid for on the National League Bidding page, and each bid will be considered by me on its own merits before being accepted or rejected.  No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.
  • Foreign
    To make a foreign transfer (i.e. from any club outside of the AP, regardless of whether the player is English) a bid should be made on the Foreign Transfers Page, which will be considered by me against the posted guidelines for purchase prices before being accepted or rejected. No bid will be accepted until a minimum of 24 hours has elapsed from the time the bid was made, in order to afford other managers the opportunity to make a counter bid.

    There will be a summer foreign transfer window, which will run as follows.

    Open Window

    Open transfer window, teams have unlimited bids provided they have the financial resources to cover them.  Teams may only bid for one player at a time.

    The window will open from the 9th of June but only to those sides that finish 8th and below at first. They will have a week to make one signing each before the window is open to all.     

Player Releases wrote: 
Managers may choose to release players from their clubs, for which they will be offered compensation

Compensation will be paid as follows

£2 million – current international (must have played international rugby in the previous 12 months)
£1.5 million – former international
£1m – top flight experience
£0.5m – other

All released players will be deemed to have joined a Championship side and can be bid for on the National League Bidding page.
Retirements wrote:
There will be no compensation for retiring players.  Should a player who retires decide to come out of retirement and play again, then he will automatically go back to the club who he was playing for in the game when he retired.
Fixtures wrote:
There will be 22 Aviva Premiership games per season, plus the play offs. There will also be European Rugby Champions Cup, European Rugby Challenge Cup and Anglo Welsh Cup matches.  These games will take place once a week. A match thread will be put up every Monday. Home teams must be named by midnight on Tuesday. Away teams must be named by midnight on Wednesday. Failure to meet these deadlines is punishable by the addition of three match points to the oppositions final score, unless both sides fail to do so. Both teams must provide tactics by midnight on Thursday. Predictions will be open from 00:01 hours on Friday and remain open until 15:00 hours on Sunday. Managers will post the scores that they think will happen from these games (apart from games in which they are involved).  An average of all predictions will be taken, and then 0.5 points added to each teams score for each prediction that had them as the winner, and that will then be the final score.

Managers are asked to provide detail as to why they have predicted a result.  To be considered a descriptive prediction this must be a full 3 lines long when entered into the text box. 
Teams wrote:
When naming your team, not only should you put the starting XV and replacements, but also tactics that your team will employ. Results will be affected by the tactics described.

In addition, each team must have the following:-

For domestic competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 4 of those must be in your starting XV.

For European competition at least 8 England qualified players in your match day 23, and at least 6 of those must be in your starting XV.

At least 2 props and 1 hooker on the bench.

All players must be eligible (not injured or banned).

Failure to comply with these rules will result in a 1 league point deduction.

If you fail to submit a team for a match, then the other team will be automatically awarded a 30-0 bonus point win. If both teams fail to submit a team, then it will be scored as a 0-0 draw.
Injuries and Suspensions wrote:
Injuries in this game do NOT reflect real life, they will be generated by me.

Players banned in real life will be ineligible for selection in this game for the duration of the ban.

Inclusion of injured/banned players will result in them being replaced by players on the bench, and the bench not having eight players, which may result in punishment if it concerns the front-row.

Punishment for fielding an ineligible player will be loss of one match point.
Financial Rewards wrote:
There will be no rewards for the result of an individual match, instead the managers will receive cash for predicting.

£2m for descriptive predictions 
£0.25m for scores on the doors predictions
If you fail to predict without first advising me that you are unable to do so that week, you will be fined £1m for a first offence, £2m for a second offence, £3m for a third offence etc upto a maximum of £5m per fine.

AP finishing positions.

Champions: 8m
Runners Up: 6m
Playoff Semi Finalist Losers: 5m
5th: 4m
6th: 3.5m
7th: 3m
8th: 2.5m
9th: 2m
10th: 1.5m
11th: 1m
12th: 0.5m

Heineken Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £2 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £3 million each
Runners Up - £4 million
Champions - £5 million

Amlin Challenge Cup

Losing Quarter Finalists - £1 million each
Losing Semi Finalists - £2 million each
Runners Up - £3 million
Champions - £4 million

Anglo-Welsh Cup

Losing Semi Finalist - £1 million each
Runners Up - £2 million
Champions - £3 million


If your budgets falls below minus £10 million for any reason, the administrators (SJE) will step in and players from within your squad will be released for the relevant financial compensation (foreign transfer value) in order to bring your budget back above minus £10 million.


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Post by Guest Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:03 pm

http://www.planetrugby.com/story/0,25883,3551_35941,00.html

Team of the week.

Pollard unsurprisingly In it.

Kitshoff of the stormers is developing in to a fine prop.Must be in the mix this year.
Does anyone have cheslin Kolbe on here. Got some wheels

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Post by BamBam Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:04 pm

Cheeky buggers, given our injury list at tighthead at the moment we should stick him on the bench Wink

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Post by Guest Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:05 pm

Francis has looked good at prem level. How is he Welsh prop? There was talk of him being an outsider for England squad when it looked like Cole and Wilson out.

Auterac went really well for Bath
At the weekend if you missed the game

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Post by Fluxy Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:11 pm

Matt was waiting for you to bring up that team of the week Wink

To be fair the lad had a good game, but was going to mention if he has been so good, why aren't him and TJ starting for you?  Run

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:15 pm

Francis qualifies through Welsh Grandparent.
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:21 pm

Nice Flux Wink

Planet rugby only mention his stats unsurprisingly, he didn't actually play that well. They've probably not seen the game like you Matt Wink

Another bloody steal from the Welsh!

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Post by Guest Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:26 pm

Fluxy wrote:Matt was waiting for you to bring up that team of the week Wink

To be fair the lad had a good game, but was going to mention if he has been so good, why aren't him and TJ starting for you?  Run

He absolute quality but had a wobble in autumn so been waiting for him to get back. I start TJ quite a bit but as ever balance of EQ is tough as I really need a few more

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:43 pm

Will try to respond to enquiries tonight.
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Post by Driver Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:48 pm

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walesonline.co.uk%2Fsport%2Frugby%2Frugby-news%2Ftwo-wales-brightest-u20-rugby-8786109&ei=ysD9VNbBJMvmasmvgcAC&usg=AFQjCNH-sKYBbH1ofnzIgokYOFzf6OYwCg


Two of Wales U20s withdraw because they want to play for England.
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Mar 2015, 3:59 pm

Driver wrote:https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCIQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walesonline.co.uk%2Fsport%2Frugby%2Frugby-news%2Ftwo-wales-brightest-u20-rugby-8786109&ei=ysD9VNbBJMvmasmvgcAC&usg=AFQjCNH-sKYBbH1ofnzIgokYOFzf6OYwCg


Two of Wales U20s withdraw because they want to play for England.

Payback !

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 09 Mar 2015, 6:13 pm

They've not declared for England but aren't getting tied in with a country yet as our under 20s is our a team. If they playedfrance then they'd be tied as France under 20s is their a team.

It shows how rugby is becoming more career focused over playing for your country of birth. And this is across the board with sports.
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Post by Guest Mon 09 Mar 2015, 6:51 pm

Very sad really. I could not play for another country as I am such an England fan. Those guys If they are passionate Welsh fans should be playing for Wales

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 09 Mar 2015, 7:20 pm

Just seen the England squad, what on earth do Wade and Daly have to do to get into the England training squad!? Bizarre to not include then even in the training which they've done with Burgess - espc when wasps don't have any games for next 2 weeks.

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Post by Guest Mon 09 Mar 2015, 7:34 pm

He really needed to freshen it up a bit. At least slade is in

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Post by dammit_chris Mon 09 Mar 2015, 7:44 pm

With Croft out as well could have been a great excuse for bringing in Itoje and Ewers to train.

Dont get England right now.

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Post by prop_lyd Mon 09 Mar 2015, 9:32 pm

anonmattyt wrote:Very sad really. I could not play for another country as I am such an England fan. Those guys If they are passionate Welsh fans should be playing for Wales
Agreed, I could play for wales or England but can only see myself in a welsh top (I can dream)! Then again if I was a pro at this time then it would be interesting to see how much influence external people would have like spOnsors
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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 3:07 am

dammit_chris wrote:Just seen the England squad, what on earth do Wade and Daly have to do to get into the England training squad!? Bizarre to not include then even in the training which they've done with Burgess - espc when wasps don't have any games for next 2 weeks.

Get a decent defence I'm afraid Chris, just not good enough either of them.

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Post by Ozzy3213 Tue 10 Mar 2015, 6:17 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:
dammit_chris wrote:Just seen the England squad, what on earth do Wade and Daly have to do to get into the England training squad!? Bizarre to not include then even in the training which they've done with Burgess - espc when wasps don't have any games for next 2 weeks.

Get a decent defence I'm afraid Chris, just not good enough either of them.

Arguments about Daly's defence aside, both he and Wade have done infinitely more over the past couple of months than Burgess has to warrant inclusion in the training squad. All this 'assisting his development' is utter bollox. The England squad is the pinnacle and a place in it should be earned, even a development place, and Burgess has done nothing so far in union to have earned that spot. I've said before that when he took over Lancaster was the right man for he job, as he brought the organisation and discipline that England needed at the time, but he has proved over time that he does not have what it takes to elevate us to the next level. His continued selection of round pegs in square holes and his own personal favourites just goes to highlight this.
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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 7:42 am

Agree with you Pete, although Burgess is improving he doesn't deserve inclusion over other players - just assume the coaching team have identified no12 as a desperate spot to fill.

When you read that Barritt was going to come back for the Scotland game and picking Croft to start it's a bit of a joke - croft would be great if we played an open expansive game, but we don't at all. Just bizarre selections.

The England social media threads are full of Daly and Wade - don't buy the defensive issues one, as May, Yarde, Nowell and Goode have all been caught out there and are in the squad.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 7:46 am

Totally agree Pete but they have a fascination with Burgess no matter how he performs.

I don't think Wade has played too well of late to be honest. Daly has been excellent but his defence is blatantly not up to it imo, he'd certainly get a spot over Burgess but 13 is not a problem position.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 7:49 am

Those you have mentioned have had issues at Int level, Wade and Daly have had issues in the AP.

I highly doubt Croft would have started, he's shown nothing and was poor at Falcons before going off.

Social media hype means little really in the greater context, it's just whoever is the latest flavour of the month.

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Mar 2015, 8:42 am

Lancaster by consistently coming back to players like Barrit and worst of all Goode shows he has no idea.

Goode turned the ball over to Ireland 6 times. He also never dropped Into first receiver and kicked hopelessly. Somehow he retains his place ?..

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 9:49 am

Goode getting turned over has implications on our ability to support and clear out as much as it does Goode. It's hardly like he's lightening fast and running away from support like headless chicken May does.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 10:57 am

Commentators on Sunday saying how much Wades defence has improved this season. He's been excellent for us since regaining fitness - for me he does have defensive issues but at same time he's most dangerous finisher in Europe. Brad Davies has been an excellent defensive coach for Wasps - can see that the way they defended the line against Sarries throughout the whole second half.

If Lancaster was in charge of Wales he'd never have played Shane Williams.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 11:05 am

Wade was really bad against Falcons. One up was fine but he got caught out positionally numerous times.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 2:50 pm

Look at other wingers positionally - Yarde, Nowell, Roko etc and Wades positioning no worse than any of those.

Might be a bit biased but love what Wade is capable of, the try he got for Wasps at weekend was unreal. Would like to see him given a chance for England.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 3:20 pm

These guys generally don't get showed up at AP level though. I'm a big fan of Wades but he's not progressed in his areas of weakness.

I'm all for getting exciting players involved but they need a base level of the basics or they'll get hammered and dispatched after one cap.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 5:55 pm

Yarde struggles positionally in the AP and can be a lazy defender at times (though been much improved of late) Roko has had some issues of late with Bath, Nowell is very solid but can get done with out and out pace in the AP.

All have weaknesses, but the reason I would like to see Wade involved is that in our WC group he's capable of getting 3,4 tries in a game and making a massive help for our points difference against the smaller nations - none of the others have his try scoring ability, personally wouldn't play him against teams like Ireland or NZ, but he has to be worth a go.

Same with Daly for me as aside from Joseph who else in the current squad could cover the position as well as Daly? Before Barritt's injury we'd have shifted him to no13 or moved Burrell there. With the pack we have got, we should surely take more attacking risks, but selection for me is all wrong.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 6:04 pm

Will be interesting to see what we do with the centres, Slade has been getting some great reviews recently and he's looked brilliant for Exeter but I don't think he's played any games at no12 for them?

Telegraph did a piece on Twelvetrees today saying how he's the most frustrating player in England - has all the attributes to be top class, but lacks consistency.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 6:07 pm

It's all about being ok defensively and I don't think Wade or Daly are. Daly would get hammered in the 13 channel, without question, but I'd happily see him in as FB cover.

Wade, I've just not been hugely impressed with this season. I agree he's a good finisher and is maybe worth a punt on the bench against a lesser team.

I think we should be picking players who can play against the top sides rather than ones that could score points against lower teams.

If you think we have 2 players per position:

1. Marler/Corbs
2. Hartley/Youngs
3. Cole/Wilson
4. Lauchbury/Slater
5. Lawes/Attwood
6. Wood/Haskell
7. Robshaw/?
8. Morgan/Vuiniploa

9. Youngs/Care
10. Ford/Farrell
11. Nowell/? Yarde?
12. Burrell/? (Maybe Slade?)
13. Joseph/Tulagi
14. Watson/?
15. Brown/?

6 & 12 are problematic positions for me.

Also a proper backup for Brown should be a priority as well as a 7 to cover Robshaw, maybe Haskell again?

On the wings I hope Yarde can rediscover some form as when he's firing he's our best 11 by a good way imo.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 6:32 pm

You say that but in European Cup he's been very good for us and not a weakness at all - be good test against Bastereaud on 5th April - can't wait to go and see that one!

For me you need players who can play in a number of positions and cover any injuries as well - why I really like the likes of Slade and Daly - Burrell needs to improve in the next two games. We could end up converting Tuilagi to no12 as you've got to find a way to play him and Joseph as that could be a great combination.

I just wish we'd attack a bit more, as the pack you show is top class and gives us a great platform - Ford has a great attacking game, but we seem intent of playing a poor imitation of Ireland's game without a decent kick chase at the minute!

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Mar 2015, 6:40 pm

The problem is that is basically the side he picks and it is not good enough.

Watson unproven as is Nowell. Burrell has been shown to not be good enough.Etc etc/

Not sure what the answer is but I still think Robshaw should not be captain. Never wanted him to be and just don't think he is good enough as a player in the position he is picked to play. Kvesic is in fine form and is so much better at the breakdown than Robshaw but I am not sure he is int level

How slater can be on that list is a mystery

If you moan about May then how can you pick Yarde?? He is lazy and a poor defender who does not work back.

When you put all these players in a list it becomes fairly obvious that lots of them are pretty average compared to other teams in the world.

If fit in Corbs and Wilson we have the best scrummaging props going which is a start and in Marler and Cole we have a decent back up off the bench

It's after that it becomes challenging. I see 9 as a huge issue

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Mar 2015, 6:41 pm

We have a good front 5. That kind of tells us how we need to play

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 7:03 pm

I rate Yarde much higher than May when in form, even out of form tbh.

Slater is the best 4 in England behind Launchbury, he was a shoe in for Int rugby before injury and has been invited to attend sessions whilst injured along with Tuilagi.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Tue 10 Mar 2015, 7:07 pm

Tuilagi couldn't play 12 imo, he has a poor passing game. 13 is his position, impact from the bench possibly the way forward.

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Mar 2015, 7:33 pm

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I rate Yarde much higher than May when in form, even out of form tbh.

Slater is the best 4 in England behind Launchbury, he was a shoe in for Int rugby before injury and has been invited to attend sessions whilst injured along with Tuilagi.

LCD, burgess etc has been at training sessions as have many others it does not mean much. They do it with all people who are involved with the wider training squads ie Saxons etc. including injured players.

Atwood is a 4 and would be in the mix but he must be under pressure after poor games vs Ireland and Italy.

I often think whilst it is good to have people involved who understand the set up should they need to come in that we have too many people knocking about. There were over 60 players at penny hill park before cutting to the match day squad.

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 7:52 pm

Think Slater is a little too small to really become a top class international and he won't get in because of injury, Kruis, Parling, Attwood will be the ones competing for the 2 lock spaces.

Thing with wings is that we probably shouldn't be debating who should be starting as this close to the WC we should know - Watson for me is only guaranteed starter with any of the others suggested could feature - imagine Lancaster views it currently Nowell, May, Yarde, Ashton, Wade.

Tuilagi could easily shift to no12 with Ford at flyhalf and a creative 13 like Joseph. Better to get our only back who scares the big teams on for 80 minutes - not like there's anyone putting their hand up to stop him playing there atm.

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Mar 2015, 8:42 pm

dammit_chris wrote:Think Slater is a little too small to really become a top class international and he won't get in because of injury, Kruis, Parling, Attwood will be the ones competing for the 2 lock spaces.

Thing with wings is that we probably shouldn't be debating who should be starting as this close to the WC we should know - Watson for me is only guaranteed starter with any of the others suggested could feature - imagine Lancaster views it currently Nowell, May, Yarde, Ashton, Wade.

Tuilagi could easily shift to no12 with Ford at flyhalf and a creative 13 like Joseph. Better to get our only back who scares the big teams on for 80 minutes - not like there's anyone putting their hand up to stop him playing there atm.

I said months ago we needed to pick who are wingers are and stick with them. May was excellent in the Autumn and had a mare vs Italy so gets dropped.

Watson had an average tournament and nowell came in and was average against Ireland.

We are essentially back to square one.

Good leaders have courage of conviction and make bold decisions when needed. Lancaster seems to just try players and hope.

He is the same with his selections at 9






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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue 10 Mar 2015, 8:51 pm

anonmattyt wrote:The problem is that is basically the side he picks and it is not good enough.

Watson unproven as is Nowell. Burrell has been shown to not be good enough.Etc etc/

Not sure what the answer is but I still think Robshaw should not be captain. Never wanted him to be and just don't think he is good enough as a player in the position he is picked to play. Kvesic is in fine form and is so much better at the breakdown than Robshaw but I am not sure he is int level

How slater can be on that list is a mystery

If you moan about May then how can you pick Yarde?? He is lazy and a poor defender who does not work back.

When you put all these players in a list it becomes fairly obvious that lots of them are pretty average compared to other teams in the world.

If fit in Corbs and Wilson we have the best scrummaging props going which is a start and in Marler and Cole we have a decent back up off the bench

It's after that it becomes challenging. I see 9 as a huge issue


I genuinely don't understand how one can think Kvesic is better at the breakdown than Robshaw at any level
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Post by Steven_Sharks Tue 10 Mar 2015, 9:00 pm

Robshaw s breakdown work is average at best at international level

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Post by dammit_chris Tue 10 Mar 2015, 9:01 pm

I can understand selecting Wigglesworth for England as he showed against Wasps that he is class with the kicking game and does everything you ask from him, but he's not a no9 for the bench. As Healy said at the weekend Simpson has second best kicking game in the AP behind Wigglesworth, so if Lancaster wants a kicking game why not pick Simpson who can also bring his attacking game?

With the way we play our wings will carry on struggling - can't recall a single time we put Watson into space against Ireland, our wings also seem to be told to stay out on their wings and not go looking for the ball in the midfield.

Wonder what odds you'd get right now for Ireland winning the WC? If they keep their key players injury free they could stand a v good chance.

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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue 10 Mar 2015, 9:15 pm

Steven_Sharks wrote:Robshaw s breakdown work is average at best at international level

Prior to last week, the buzz line was that he was good at slowing ball and ruck work but poor at getting turnovers. He's now leading the 6N in terms of turnovers, so magically he's now bad at both?
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Post by Guest Tue 10 Mar 2015, 9:28 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:
Steven_Sharks wrote:Robshaw s breakdown work is average at best at international level

Prior to last week, the buzz line was that he was good at slowing ball and ruck work but poor at getting turnovers. He's now leading the 6N in terms of turnovers, so magically he's now bad at both?

I have never differed in my view on robshaw. Since day one I have always said he is a worker and not much else. A bit like Lancaster in that he filled a gap but ultimately at top top level not up to it.

I have been anti Lancaster and robshaw since they came in.

We have not won more than 5 games in a row since Lancaster came in and robshaw still makes dreadful decisions as a captain after 30 goes at it.

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Post by Guest Tue 10 Mar 2015, 9:31 pm

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anonmattyt wrote:The problem is that is basically the side he picks and it is not good enough.

Watson unproven as is Nowell. Burrell has been shown to not be good enough.Etc etc/

Not sure what the answer is but I still think Robshaw should not be captain. Never wanted him to be and just don't think he is good enough as a player in the position he is picked to play. Kvesic is in fine form and is so much better at the breakdown than Robshaw but I am not sure he is int level

How slater can be on that list is a mystery

If you moan about May then how can you pick Yarde?? He is lazy and a poor defender who does not work back.

When you put all these players in a list it becomes fairly obvious that lots of them are pretty average compared to other teams in the world.

If fit in Corbs and Wilson we have the best scrummaging props going which is a start and in Marler and Cole we have a decent back up off the bench

It's after that it becomes challenging. I see 9 as a huge issue


I genuinely don't understand how one can think Kvesic is better at the breakdown than Robshaw at any level

Because he is a menace at the breakdown and slows ball and makes steals. He makes a real mess and is genuine 7 which robshaw is not. I am no Steffan Armitage fan but would rather him than robshaw.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 11 Mar 2015, 5:32 am

I've not seen Kvesic ever do this past AP level. I'd agree to a point that Robshaw is an average breakdown 7 at Int level but I can't think of anybody better and he brings different qualities.

Slater & Tuilagi travelled to Ireland with the squad to keep them involved. This is obviously different from involving players not ready for the odd training session.

Slater is 6'6" and around 19st, he's a lump who does a proper 4 role. There's not many players in England who offer these qualities to the level he does. If he was fit he'd be so starting ahead of Kruis imo.


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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 11 Mar 2015, 5:51 am

Andy Saull is the answer Matt! Lol

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Post by Guest Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:15 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:I've not seen Kvesic ever do this past AP level. I'd agree to a point that Robshaw is an average breakdown 7 at Int level but I can't think of anybody better and he brings different qualities.

Slater & Tuilagi travelled to Ireland with the squad to keep them involved. This is obviously different from involving players not ready for the odd training session.

Slater is 6'6" and around 19st, he's a lump who does a proper 4 role. There's not many players in England who offer these qualities to the level he does. If he was fit he'd be so starting ahead of Kruis imo.


Don't think Kvesic has had the opportunity to show what he can do higher up. He was good for Saxons and is a different player to what he was. A couple of years experience has done him well. He is the most improved player about. Been so impressed by him this year.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:30 am

I've not seen bags of him so will have to go with your opinion on that one. He looked the real deal a few years back but hasn't impressed for England when I've seen him (SA & Arg).

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Post by dammit_chris Wed 11 Mar 2015, 8:59 am

Not sure about Armitage, has the assault case he's involved in been finished yet? If he's not a bad influence on the group then it would be worth having a look at him to see if he could repllicate his club form, he gets an incredible platform at Toulon.

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Post by Guest Wed 11 Mar 2015, 9:01 am

dammit_chris wrote:Not sure about Armitage, has the assault case he's involved in been finished yet? If he's not a bad influence on the group then it would be worth having a look at him to see if he could repllicate his club form, he gets an incredible platform at Toulon.


He would get a good platform for England to be fair. Our props our front row is much better than theirs for example.

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