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Pooly do you actually read what is posted ??? I Actually say it's not a red but point out why they may have upheld it. As "most" people who watch the game know concussion Is a hot topic and the RFU has to show it's being tough on it and by virtue of this they are going to be a bit reactionary to people who cause it.

As I point out if he has not been knocked out there would not have been a red. Hughes had no need to run in and it was careless.

Please take the trouble to read posts carefully.

McMahon will be some player. Had some great games in s15 followed by average ones which expected of his age. How talufa of crusaders not in there a mystery.

McMahon will be some player. Had some great games in s15 followed by average ones which expected of his age. How talufa of crusaders not in there a mystery.

SirJohnnyEnglish wrote:Cane top, McMahon 4th and Todd rounds off the list at 10th 

Hooper 2nd and Shields 3rd, again it's pretty spot on.

Nick White top of the scrum halfs is nailed on too. I like the centres.

De Allende and kurindrani been best by a distance in s15. De Allende should be top by a distance

Israel Folau is top 15 by a huge distance on that site which I would disagree with. He has hit great form in last month but was average until then.

If you look he was 2000 points 2 weeks ago and is now 1400. It's defintely not cumulative. It must be a week by week basis as Folau has been on fire recently but has seen his score go down.

Weird site.

anonmattyt wrote:De Allende and kurindrani been best by a distance in s15. De Allende should be top by a distance

Kurindrani has been pretty quiet really, it's a spot on list imo. Agree in Folau who's prob been the best FB.

In that case you would not have Kurindrani 2nd as he is on that list

Will genia 6th place you obviously agree with that ?

Kurindrani is 10th isn't he???

To be fair 6th for a scrum half is hardly impressive as there's only 15 sides. Pretorious etc should be higher but he's missed a few games.

It's never going to bullet proof but you get the general jist.

No need to get so annoyed because you don't have many players on it or that it proves you wrong on a lot of things. It's just a website Matt that a few of us think is quite handy.

Kurindrani 2nd

Not annoyed just find it hard how anyone Can put stock an arbitrary listing system with no explanation of how it was calculated. With peoples points going up and down its not cumulative so nobody knows what it's based on.

Essentially its a made up opinion of one person who likes to write lists. IF there was an explanation or even if it was like the carling opta site I would be really interested as it would be a talking points


This site is probably some 12 year old kiwi lad writing lists

I imagine it would be great if all the players you big up were near the top.

Kurindrani is 10th on my list which is say is about right.

He is 10th now you are right.

I have noticed that injured players obviously receive no points so when you are out for 4 weeks you disappear.

Explains why certain players are where they are.
Lots of the lists are right I grant you but it is very flawed.

Also explains why pollard is 4 th as missed a few games. Expect lambie to plummet now injured. Looking at the list almost every player who is top has playerd every game

Pollard is 5th and he's only missed one game which was last week I think.

Again, Pollard at 5th is about right. All the players above him have played better over the season.

Perenara 2nd pollard 4th Folau top etc all players I have " bigged up

I like the way you cannot explain anything about the site but like it because it fits your view.

Did you put this site together ??

He has missed more and I don't really care about a "rating site" based on one persons opinion.


The forward rankings are simply bizarre

Moving away from stats...

Burgess becomes the 9th playing in Premiership history to start games in both the backs and forwards - can anyone name the others?

Don't get so wound up Matt, it was Pete that found it. I just think it backs up a lot of what I've saw this season which is good to see.

Farrell, Banahan, and 7 others maybe Freddie Tuilagi and Apollo Perelini?

I had Tom Youngs, as am sure he had one game as no12 for Tigers.

Not sure if he ever played for Tigers but pretty sure Nottingham.

Another retirement due to concussion, he used to be in the game I think.

http://www.rugbyweek.com/news/article.asp?id=46078

Young played for Tigers in the AP in 2008 or so as centre, then moved to hooker in 2009 in the Championship. Remarkable really how quickly he got international recognition after that.

And he still can't throw 5 years later

He's been better this season, but definitely the one thing that is stopping him being starting no2 for England. Work around the park so much better than Hartleys.

Reason the site probably doesn't have its formula up is so it not copied elsewhere. Similar happens with Infostrada football team rankings, formula is guarded

CJB wrote:Reason the site probably doesn't have its formula up is so it not copied elsewhere. Similar happens with Infostrada football team rankings, formula is guarded

No you're completely right wrong CJB. Hardly any of Matt's players are near the top so it's just rubbish

Thing with using stats is that you can make anyone look good or anyone look rubbish depending on what you are using, especially in rugby as so many variables, playing styles and questionable stats out there anyway.

No more bearing with that site then there is in other websites like Planet Rugby picking a team of the week.

Kind of agree Chris.

I always think stats sites are useful after you d seen somebody play, to see if it backs your thoughts up.

It's quite handy in Matt's case as he's obviously extremely biased yet he's been proclaiming Pollard is the obvious form FH in super rugby. I've disagreed suggesting others have been better (without using stats) and this site backs it up.

It's obviously not the oracle in a players form though although a good guide.

Can't really disagree with Pollard's form though, he's featured in a lot of teams of the week, received a lot of praise from match reports, pundits, coaches, players etc.

A lot depends on what you want from a fly half, Pollard might not be a creative fly half in the way Cruden is but if you want a player who wins you games with his goal kicking and game management then can't see any more inform players currently in s15.

So hard to disagree and agree on form players at the best of times as so many traits and attributes rugby players have and everyone judges it so differently.

Pollard hasn't kicked that well so not sure of your point there. He's been around 60% in a few games which isn't great. Lambie has been in better form and has kicked around 90/95%.

Again though I wouldn't say Lambie has been amazing but he's played better than Pollard. Similar with Cruden, Barrett and Foley, all have played better imo and by the site.

Pollard is a steady FH and only likely to improve, it's just this garbage "amazing" tag and "form FH in Super rugby" which is untrue and just obvious false bigging up that I protest with.

This sums up Pollard's game very well and shows why he's a top player - pretty certain he's also leading points scorer in s15 as well.

http://www.rugbyworld.com/countries/south-africa-countries/super-15-analysis-handre-pollard-celebrates-21st-in-style-43581

Not sure why you let yourself get so worked up over it tbh mate, everyone is a little guilty of it and doubt it ever impacts on anyones decisions in the game.

Have you actually seen him play?

I've never said once he's playing badly, he's just been in decent form, playing decent rugby.

I'd be expected to be pulled up if I was falsely bigging my players up all the time. It's all part of the fun

Chris your link sums it up pollard had played 4 games by start of March and has played 6 in total yet is right up there on that site against people who have played every game which is the big difference. His kicking stats are close to 80 % and he attempts monster kicks so it will always skew his stats. As always stats mean very little.


I watch all super 15 and he has been form sa 15 and probably of tournament.

For me Folau has not been top 15 yet is on that site hence me pointing out how odd I found it. It's not bigging up it's saying who is playing well.

I regarly praise or " big up " players not my own eg shields, cane etc. unlike pooly who seems to just want to run plauers down who I own.

It's glass is half full vs half empty. Not really bothered

CJB your point was the same as mine it's like the carling opta side. Purely stats based and their team of the year bares no relation to the one picked by the players.

Always monster kicks lol.

You're the worst on here for bigging up, I like it, it's funny.

See Dan Bowden started 10 today and blues one. Brumbies missing some key players and struggle for depth. Just not
In from
Work so will have a watch later

Watched a few of the Pollard games this season Pooly, for me he's been class and the errors he has in his game only due to age - of course I think Ford is far superior

Bowden started last few weeks. Blues needed to win.

But White missed a penalty at the death. Their horrific run could've continued if it wasn't done to one wayward kick!

Steven_Sharks wrote:Bowden started last few weeks. Blues needed to win.

I am a big fan of west who you have. Having a bit of second season syndrome maybe but a really fine prospect.

Not helped by blues front 5. Woodcock aside they are not what they were.
Faumuina has had some serious hidings and they only get the odd game out of mealamu who is on his
legs and second choice to
Parsons who is cack. Young tuipoloutu is another fine prospect at lock but again having a difficult season.
Happens when you have so many young ones and a weird selection policy.

Seem to lack leaders in key positions

Hammersley looks pretty gash under the high ball.

Fluxy wrote:But White missed a penalty at the death. Their horrific run could've continued if it wasn't done to one wayward kick!

You watch white at s15 level and think he could be a really useful int scrum half. Really runs a team well. You see him play Int level and see that his lack of pace and inability to threaten from base means he will never be a decent 9 at that level.

Int rugby is still a massive step up on s15 and heino

Consistently one of the best in s15
Though

Steven_Sharks wrote:Hammersley looks pretty gash under the high ball.

Said that every time I see him. His positioning and tackling are a bit weak at this stage in career. He is like stevie wonder under the high ball.

Dynamite ball in hand

Lovely pass from JJ.

Hammersley is still raw, need work, his kicking is poor.

White is a good scrum half, certainly better then Genia. Him and Phipps offer different things.

That is some finish Sinoti

Best winger in the AP this season by a distance

See Hughes got his ban overturned

Strange that. Correct decision I think though.

Sinoti is superb. I'd carry him to Sale.

Right decision.

Sinoti Sinoti will be our marquee player i imagine.