We Go Again! The 2014/15 Premier League Thread

[Ent]

First topic message reminder :

Missed the game today great result!

City have bought terribly since they won the title in 11/12, 100s of millions and no real certain starters or class players introduced.

They've prospered in a relative decline of the pl, picking up the top players from the non top 4 and the sub elite Europeans was good enough as a base but they didn't kick on and it has showed in Europe and this season.

6 wins in a row for United, city, Spurs and Liverpool in that run.

Top 4 all but secured, big test next week against chelsea.

[Fernando]

QPR 2-1 Toon

[Fernando]

West Ham 1-0 up.

Spurs to bottle it hopefully

[Crimey]

Newcastle are going to be saved only by Hull being really bad. Newcastle have been embarrassing this season.

[FootballLight]

This is better...

[Guest]

Newcastle are going to be saved only by Hull being really bad. Newcastle have been embarrassing this season.

YEP

[Fernando]

West Ham 1-1 Everton - Leon Osman

[Fernando]

West Ham 1-2 Everton - Romelu Lukakuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Guest]

Embarrasing on so many levels to lose to QPR, however, Hull losing is another lifeline for us. I can't see us beating WHU, we simply don't know how to win & therefore will be relying on Man United

[Fernando]

9 defeats in 10 games.

A Fat Sam probably eager to send you to the championship

Man Utd with nothing to play for

I don't fancy your chances honestly John.

[Guest]

If man u beat arsenal 2moro, then Man U do have something to play for vs hull. Hopefully Sunderland get banged by arsenal & chelsea & make their GD to worse than - 25, if we pick a point up vs WHU

[Geordie]

It's embarrassing to watch players getting paid a fortune to  not give a flying f.....  

North Shields showed more battle and heart than that pile of shi* up the road!!!!

[Duty281]

Steven Gerrard is the greatest central midfielder to grace the Premier League, according to an ongoing BBC poll.

Oh the hilarity!

[GSC]

Newcastle are going to survive in spite of themselves. This will really put a downer on all those Steve Bruce fluff pieces

[Ent]

Handball ten a foul from skrtel, baffling no penalty given.

Gerrard dead on his feet, palace just swarming all over liverpools midfield.

[Ent]

Looked offside that.

Also technically was for any fans of geeky rules, your position is taken to be the point of exiting the pitch if you leave without the refs position.

[GSC]

2-1 Palace

[GSC]

Did they really do a mosaic with Bret Harts slogan on it for Gerrard?

Ultra cringe

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Rodgers really needs the chop

[Crimey]

This has been the most depressing season since Hodgson's short stint in charge.

Suarez gone.
Sturridge out pretty much all season.
Gerrard deciding to leave.
Sterling refusing the contract.
Mario Balotelli was signed and surprisingly(!) was rubbish.
Out of Champions League early, Europa league not taken seriously enough.
Cup runs both ended without a final. 

I just want to rewind time to last year and Gerrard doesn't slip.

[mystiroakey]

Good game by the palace . Liverpool hindered by the Gerard commotion. But we really needed this win. Great impact from Zahar and great allround performance from the punch..

[GSC]

Liverpool finish second today, perhaps a fitting tribute to Steven Gerrard's Premier League career.

Quite possible the best tweet ever

[Rowley]

I was a bit sceptical about the game this evening, but good to see Liverpool marked the occasion with the quiet understatement the club has become synonymous with.

[mystiroakey]

Steven Gerrard is the greatest central midfielder to grace the Premier League, according to an ongoing BBC poll.



Oh the hilarity!

Sky's was Scholes by a huge majority and probably bang on.

[Rowley]

Scholes > Gerrard.

[Duty281]

Steven Gerrard is the greatest central midfielder to grace the Premier League, according to an ongoing BBC poll.



Oh the hilarity!

Sky's was Scholes by a huge majority and probably bang on.

Yes, I think Scholes carried it in the end on the BBC, deservedly so!

[Hammersmith harrier]

Scholes it seems has finally started to become appreciated by football fans, Vieira and Keane getting such a paltry amount of votes is a bit of a joke.

[Azzy]

Majority of people voting are under 18, hence Vieira and Keane not registering much. I wouldn't have Gerrard top 5 but kids only know recent players.

Vieira, Scholes, Keane, Lampard, Makelele, Toure, Fabregas all better than Gerrard. All won the league title too.

[Guest]

Gerrard in his prime pisses all over Cesc, in my opinion. In terms of actual footballing ability Gerrard & Makelele can't even be compared, due to them being such different players. Claude was class in his position & protecting a back four, but Gerrard was on another level in terms of general all round play & offensive work with 119 PL goals.

Sad to see him go, but it was time. Shame people trying to de-value his career or ability.

[westisbest]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Hull will beat Man Utd.

Still disgraced by our performance today, but on the plus side we are safe and having a great time in Brighton.
I will be rooting for them next season. What a cracking place, great away day surely.

[Guest]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Hull will beat Man Utd.

ok westi, we'll go with that

Newcastle draw with WHU
Hull beat United.....somehow
Sunderland lose both remaining games vs chelsea/arsenal

that leaves

Hull 37 pts / GD - 17
Newcastle 37 pts / GD -25
Sunderland 37 pts / GD - ?  (currently on - 20, that means Newcastle would need sunderland to lose both games by a total of more than five goals. if it's -25 each, it goes to goals scored doesnt it? which newcastle lead comfortably)

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

There's no chance Hull beat Utd - Hull are awful

[GSC]

Cesc>>>Gerrard

[NickisBHAFC]

Jake Livermore has inducted Jose Baxter into his crew it seems.

[Guest]

Cesc>>>Gerrard

You must be joking

Cesc has never been anywhere near the level Gerrard was in his prime. Cesc hasn't even had a standout moment, whereby he's carried a team or is remembered for doing something special. Gerrard has numerous moments. Zidane, ''I have said in the past that at his peak he was the best in the world. I think it was the summer of 2004 I was having a conversation with Florentino (Perez) and I told him I wanted him to partner me in midfield for Madrid''. Says it all.

Cesc couldnt even hack it in spain & hasn't even won the champions league, whereas gerrard carried liverpool to the trophy.

[Duty281]

Cesc couldnt even hack it in spain & hasn't even won the champions league, whereas gerrard carried liverpool to the trophy.

Gerrard hasn't even tried to hack it in Spain, and hasn't even won an international trophy, whereas Fabregas has won three.

You know, if we are going to use #trophylogic

[Fernando]

I love the MOTD commentator "If Newcastle are to stay up it's down to other sides inadequateness only"

[GSC]

Fabregas also just won a Premier League winners medal

[Guest]

that point is irrelevent when comparing players individual ability. wes brown has a trophy cabinet of pl medals.........

in 2005/06, when gerrard was in his peak of performance, you seriously believe Cesc has topped that level during his career? delusional. stick to watching championship football.

[Hammersmith harrier]

You're the one who brought up Gerrard winning the Champions League and Fabregas not winning it so you are somewhat backtracking now that point has been shown up to be irrelevant.

Would I take Fabregas over Gerrard yes I would then again I always thought Alonso was a better midfielder than him during his time at Liverpool, depends whether you prefer the more cultured or balls out approach. I always find it hard to overlook that his greatest performance was dependent upon a dive and that his other defining moment was against West Ham.

I can't think of any real defining matches in the careers of Scholes or Vieira but that doesn't mean they weren't better than him overall, it ultimately comes down to big fish in a small pond.

[Duty281]

that point is irrelevent when comparing players individual ability. wes brown has a trophy cabinet of pl medals.........

in 2005/06, when gerrard was in his peak of performance, you seriously believe Cesc has topped that level during his career? delusional. stick to watching championship football.

Well if your point of view is so secure and rooted in truth, why must you resort to insults?

The insecurity shines through!

In terms of technique, ball retention, chance creation, vision and playmaking, Fabregas is far ahead of Gerrard.

Fabregas played a prominent role in one of the finest European club sides of all time, as well as a starring role for a team who dominated the international game over a cycle of three tournaments. He's slotted in seamlessly at Chelsea this season, as well.

Can you ever imagine Gerrard doing that?

[GSC]

Wes Brown also has a Champions League medal.

Soooooooooooo...

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Gerrard is beyond any level Cesc has even flirted with. Gerrard in his prime makes the Spain teams that didn't care for Cesc.

A bad year and he's being slated. Fabregas barely affected Chelsea's second half of the season in his prime years, Gerrard has only had that ineffectual a season in his twilight. What have you done for me lately fans at their best.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Fat Sam Out

[Ent]

Wes Brown also has a Champions League medal.

Soooooooooooo...

2 actually.

Gerrard is a myth, today was nauseating - but we all knew it would be.

2 better players with greater achievements actually retired the last 2 years and we didn't get this Love sacks from everyone involved.

Anyeay on the day his lack of legs directly contributed to palace over running Liverpool over and over again and ultimately led to their loss.

[Hero]

I love to laugh at Stevie G's slip as much as anyone but on an individual basis rather than as part of a collective Gerrard > Scholes.

Gerrard

Individual
Ballon d'Or Bronze Award (1): 2005
UEFA Club Footballer of the Year (1): 2005
FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2009
FWA Tribute Award (1): 2013
PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2006
PFA Young Player of the Year (1): 2001
PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 2001, 2009
PFA Merit Award (1): 2015
England Player of the Year Award (2): 2007, 2012
PFA Team of the Year (8): 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2014
Liverpool Top Goalscorer (3): 2004–05,2005–06, 2008–09
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament (1): 2012
UEFA Team of the Year (3): 2005, 2006, 2007
FIFA/FIFPro World XI (3): 2007, 2008, 2009
ESM Team of the Year (1): 2008–09
Goal of the Season (1): 2006
UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match (1): 2005
FA Cup Final Man of the Match (1): 2006
Premier League Player of the Month Award (6): March 2001, March 2003, December 2004, April 2006, March 2009, March 2014
ECHO Sports Personality of the Year Award (1): 2014
Member of the Order of the British Empire: 2007
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Award – 3rd Place: 2005
IFFHS World's Most Popular Footballer: 2006

Scholes
Jimmy Murphy Young Player of the Year (1): 1992–93
Premier League Player of the Month (4): January 2003, December 2003, October 2006, August 2010
PFA Team of the Year (2): 2002–03, 2006–07
Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2001–02)
Domestic & Overall Team of the Decade
English Football Hall of Fame Inductee: 2008
Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Panel choice)
Fantasy Teams of the 20 Seasons (Public choice)
FWA Tribute Award: 2012
FIFPro World XI Nominee: 2005, 2007

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Fat Sam Out

Schteve to west ham

[Guest]

I'm with LiamB/DZ in regards to Gerrard over Cesc. Cesc has barely got near Gerrard's peak level in those prime years. Duty, you can pretty much scrape all that Spanish involvement, seeing as that's team achievement, not individual ability. Gerrard was never fortunate enough to play in a dominating national side, Cesc for England, would of yielded precisely no trophies.

I guess it's a preference with these two as they are vastly different players. I prefer the exciting, rampaging, box to box goalscorer over the great passer & technician of Cesc. Gerrard had numerous moments, which define careers, I'm a fan of Cesc too, but don't see any genuine moments where he's single handily shone & wowed me like Gerrard did in Europe or in the F.A Cup. As Zidane stated, which is what was generally accepted back in 2005, was that Gerrard was playing to a world class level, backed up by his inclusion in the UEFA team of the year from 2005, 2006 & 2007.

[Hammersmith harrier]

Wes Brown also has a Champions League medal.

Soooooooooooo...

2 actually.

Gerrard is a myth, today was nauseating - but we all knew it would be.

2 better players with greater achievements actually retired the last 2 years and we didn't get this Love sacks from everyone involved.

Anyeay on the day his lack of legs directly contributed to palace over running Liverpool over and over again and ultimately led to their loss.

I do actually agree, it sums up the mentality of Liverpool at the moment to be honest and it's not like he's retiring but rather has chosen to leave for a different club, all totally over the top.

His overall impact on the Premier League has been quite small and it's no coincidence that Liverpool went from being a very strong team in 08-09 to an also ran the next season, a certain midfielder left at that time hmmmmm.

[guildfordbat]

Wes Brown also has a Champions League medal.

Soooooooooooo...

2 actually.

Gerrard is a myth, today was nauseating - but we all knew it would be.

2 better players with greater achievements actually retired the last 2 years and we didn't get this Love sacks from everyone involved.

Anyeay on the day his lack of legs directly contributed to palace over running Liverpool over and over again and ultimately led to their loss.

I do actually agree, it sums up the mentality of Liverpool at the moment to be honest and it's not like he's retiring but rather has chosen to leave for a different club, all totally over the top.

His overall impact on the Premier League has been quite small and it's no coincidence that Liverpool went from being a very strong team in 08-09 to an also ran the next season, a certain midfielder left at that time hmmmmm.

I'm also very much with Ent and Hammersmith.

When Liverpool have been a great team in the past, they've had a hard edge to both their play and their management. Even the affable Bob Paisley had an inner steel beneath his normally chuckling appearance. Gerrard was not good enough for yesterday's match and should not have been selected. The 90 odd minutes were swamped in sentimentality and the antics belonged to a testimonial game.

[mystiroakey]

Well I backed my team at 8/1.

I knew he would get the 90 mins. That was not about football. But as a palace fan I am happy.

We have scored 9 goals to 5 against them in the last 3 matches. We are not a team to take lightly..

Thanks Liverpool..

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