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Post by George Carlin Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:35 am

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NEW ZEALAND v AUSTRALIA
15 August 2015
19:35 NZST (UTC+12)
Eden Park, Auckland

TV TBC

Referee: Nigel Owens (Wales)
Assistant Referees: Wayne Barnes (England) and Federico Anselmi (Argentina)
TMO: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Recent History

8 August 2015
ANZ Stadium, Sydney
27 – 19 to Australia

18 October 2014
Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane
28 – 29 to New Zealand

23 August 2014
Eden Park, Auckland
51 – 20 to New Zealand

16 August 2014
ANZ Stadium, Sydney
12 – 12 draw

19 October 2013
Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin
41 – 33 to New Zealand

24 August 2013
Westpac Stadium, Wellington
27 – 16 to New Zealand

B. Teams

1. NEW ZEALAND
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01. Tony Woodcock
02. Dane Coles
03. Owen Franks
04. Brodie Retallick
05. Samuel Whitelock
06. Victor Vito
07. Richie McCaw (captain)
08. Kieran Read

09. Aaron Smith
10. Daniel Carter
11. Julian Savea
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Nehe Milner-Skudder
15. Ben Smith

16. Keven Mealamu
17. Wyatt Crockett
18. Nepo Laulala
19. Jerome Kaino
20. Sam Cane
21. TJ Perenara
22. Colin Slade
23. Malakai Fekitoa

2. AUSTRALIA
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15- Israel Folau
14- Adam Ashley-Cooper
13- Tevita Kuridrani
12- Matt Toomua
11- Henry Speight
10- Quade Cooper
09- Nic White

08- Wycliff Palu
07- Michael Hooper
06- Scott Fardy
05- Will Skelton
04- James Horwill
03- Sekope Kepu
02- Stephen Moore (captain)
01- Scott Sio

16- Tatafu Polota-Nau
17- James Slipper
18- Greg Holmes
19- Dean Mumm
20- Kane Douglas
21- David Pocock
22- Matt Giteau
23- Kurtley Beale
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Post by George Carlin Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:55 am

Okay, I'll start since almost 100 people seem to have read this thread but decided not to write anything.

Nice piece by Cully in the SMH which is effectively a direct plea to Nigel Owens:
Bledisloe 2015: Keep the scrum square, Mr Owens, that's all the Wallabies ask
August 13, 2015 - 4:41PM
Paul Cully


Before the British and Irish Lions' second Test against the Wallabies in Melbourne in 2013, Welsh tight-head prop Adam Jones was put before the Australian media and asked about the difference between Australian scrummaging and, say, the New Zealand set-piece.

All teams do it differently and have their strengths, he began earnestly, before dropping the line: The All Blacks tell you they scrummage straight ... but they don't.

The softly spoken Jones has enough mischief in the eye to suggest he was indulging a bit of leg pulling. Props are masters at constructing arguments in which they are the innocent.

Nonetheless, the "angling in" charge is not a new one. New Zealand have named Tony Woodcock and Wyatt Crockett at loose-head to face the Wallabies in Auckland on Saturday. The world's best referee, Nigel Owens, holds the whistle. Everyone wants the scrum on that loose-head side to be a legitimate contest.

​Now, to those who spend hours online every week getting heated up about the angles they see opposition teams use in scrums, here's the news: your props already know that, they know what's coming and plan for it.

They also know the game is, in part, about getting away with what you can, whether that is using angles in the scrum, running a blocking line or naming a bloke on the Manly bench to make a fool of the SANZAR judiciary. There are no angels out there.

However, there are still lines to be drawn. When Wallabies loose-head Scott Sio started pumping those big pistons last week and getting right into All Blacks replacement Nepo Laulala​, after seeing off Owen Franks, the most impressive thing was how straight he was.

Compare that with some of the shapes thrown by Crockett, in particular, this year and earlier. It is not that he cannot scrum, of course. He can destroy tight-heads by powering up and then in. But it's when he is clearly angling in even before the engagement that the playing field is no longer level.

The Wallabies can only hope that the attitude shown by rising young referee Angus Gardner in March, when Crockett's Crusaders were playing the Bulls, is one shared by Owens.

Due to that game being played in Australia's small hours, the events of that fixture are probably not that well known. In effect, Gardner took the Crusaders pack aside after Crockett had come on and told them he wasn't going to cop Crockett's set-up in the scrum. It was quite a sight, the fresh-faced Australian laying down the law to Richie McCaw and co, especially as Crockett's technique had already been in the news.

However, it was not without justification. Even go back to the Wales v All Blacks game last year, when excellent young Welshman Samson Lee was given a hell of a time by Crockett. Let's be generous on that occasion and say Crockett's angles were just straight enough.

There is a caveat.

Even if the All Blacks get squarer this weekend, there is no guarantee of Wallabies success. Why?

The Springboks' starting front row has looked frightening at times against the Wallabies and All Blacks, although they got touched up by Argentina last weekend. That would make the Pumas the best scrum in the Rugby Championship, wouldn't it? Yes, except when they tried to push the All Blacks off the ball in Christchurch the pressure they encountered in the form of Franks and Woodcock, square on (they can do it when needed), was so unyielding they had trouble striking for their own ball. Then Franks got dished up by Sio in Sydney.

Confused yet? That old man Woodcock made more tackles than Michael Hooper last weekend. Oh, and in the Six Nations this year, mighty England went to Dublin to smash the Irish front row, which was featuring a 35-year-old tight-head short on game time. The Irish scrum won a good points decision.

The truth is that all props have days they'd rather forget. In fact, it is the certainty of having such games that makes the men that play in the front row quite so remarkable. What other position brings such guarantee of being physically dominated, twisted this way and that?

Thus it is with uncertainty that we approach the first scrum in Bledisloe II.

But what Owens can control is that both sides operate under the same rules.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:18 am

Great article, with some really good technical knowledge thrown in. I'd love to watch this but it'll no doubt be on Sky Sport 9, or one of the other channels not caught by my BT subscription.

Revenge mission here for the ABs. When was the last time they lost two on the bounce??

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Post by emack2 Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:00 pm

An interesting article as an ex Scrum Half Nigel Owens SHOULD be hip to the antics of
the Front Row Mafia.BUT past experience shows he hasn't a clue Crockett was penalised
out of the game by an Australian ref[Steve Walsh?]He changed his style though his
original one was legal.
Under the current rules a IRB Scrum committee has found that to Hook the ball legally
is impossible.[Will be changed post RWC]hence squint feeds being more or less tolerated.
Argentina played a weaker Scrum early in the Championship v SA it was near the real
deal.
Incidentally Argentina seldom try and Hook the ball anyway,two very interesting teams
OZ seems more experimental than before.
Kaino will double up as Second Lock if required VERY good prop cover there,be interesting
if ABs give Cane and McCaw a full second 40 minutes.
What is obvious is IRB are clamping down on head high tackles no tolerance one and off
or so it appears..
Should be a good game Eden Park is hardly the easiest venue and Owens like Barnes
is a "Homer"

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu Aug 13, 2015 2:20 pm

Not to derail the thread too much but how are they planning to change the scrum now emack? So frustrating as its vastly improved from previous and it could go pear shaped.

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Post by emack2 Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:43 pm

As I understand it the IRB concluded that IF all the current parameters are met. The Hooker
is two ball lengths short of being in a position to Rake a straight feed.[I.e Scrum is SET,NO movement allowed before feed etc.]
The technicalities have been worked out by the various Scrum "Gurus" including Mike Cron
[considered the Leading "guru"etc.
I have no details BUT it may be they will revert to setting by rows,removing the "Hit"and
Hookers will discover a lost art.ACTUALLY "Hooking" the ball where in a 3-4-1 Scrum
using the "BOK" hook the Hooker is literally swinging in mid.air suspended by his Props.
The Scrum is an 8 man job Flankers pushing in on the angle and thrusting Forward,
NOT just hanging on the side fringing.
Maybe we will see the return of Hookers who Hook and props who Scrummage first
before becoming wing threequarters.!!!

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Post by rainbow-warrior Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:56 am

emack2 wrote:An interesting article as an ex Scrum Half Nigel Owens SHOULD be hip to the antics of
the Front Row Mafia.BUT past experience shows he hasn't a clue Crockett was penalised
out of the game by an Australian ref[Steve Walsh?]He changed his style though his
original one was legal.
Under the current rules a IRB Scrum committee has found that to Hook the ball legally
is impossible.[Will be changed post RWC]hence squint feeds being more or less tolerated.
Argentina played a weaker Scrum early in the Championship v SA it was near the real
deal.
Incidentally Argentina seldom try and Hook the ball anyway,two very interesting teams
OZ seems more experimental than before.
Kaino will double up as Second Lock if required VERY good prop cover there,be interesting
if ABs give Cane and McCaw a full second 40 minutes.
What is obvious is IRB are clamping down on head high tackles no tolerance one and off
or so it appears..
Should be a good game Eden Park is hardly the easiest venue and Owens like Barnes
is a "Homer"

Stop talking poop. Owen's is the best ref in the world at present, like every ref he makes a mistake but by far the best.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:58 am

Ta, bit of a shame if thet change it again as it seems to work in the prem.As ever once we get to international level more issues/cheating. Still think they need an extra ref on the pitch for scrums to help out, one of the fat lads.

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Post by emack2 Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:10 am

A matter of opinion,Joubert was THE best in RWC2011 till the Final then suddenly he`s rubbish? Owens has no more idea about Scrum Skullduggery than most Refs. BUT when
in doubt the 50/50` s go to the home side and it isn`t the ODD mistake.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:20 am

I do think refs have a hard time though given theres 2 sides to watch and if the scrum is on the far side of the pitch theres sod all help from the assistant.

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Post by Notch Fri Aug 14, 2015 11:26 am

Here's some analysis on the scrum from that last game by that most rare and previous of things, a rugby journalist who has actually played in the front row. Like the other article, it focuses on the tendency of the NZ loose head to try and relieve the pressure the opponents put on their scrum by boring in.

http://www.the42.ie/australia-new-zealand-scrum-analysis-2267495-Aug2015/?utm_source=shortlink
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Post by emack2 Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:38 pm

Do us a favour PLEASE,ALL Countries Front Row Mafia use the same tactics,ANGLE PACKING[boring in],Dropping the shoulder so the

opposing Prop can be POPPED UP,splitting the Hooker from the props,engageing with the swinging arm,slipping the bind it`s

endless.REFS should sit down BEFORE Matches and be tutored by the likes of said Mafia.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Fri Aug 14, 2015 1:02 pm

I think NZ could do with a sit down with him as well judging by recent standards!

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Post by Engine#4 Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:01 pm

It is true that all teams resort to these kind of tactics when they are under pressure.  However, they are illegal and ought to be punished accordingly.  NZ have been on the back foot at scrumtime for the last 2 matches (didn't see the Arg match) with Woodcock consistently boring in.  I think they were perhaps fortunate that it was Barnes with the whistle vs the Wallabies.

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Post by GunsGerms Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:06 pm

The New Zealand herald doesn't think Australia will get out of their group in the WC:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/71051262/rugby-world-cup-pool-winner-predictions

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Post by emack2 Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:23 am

Scrum tactics are common to ALL teams,fortunate Wayne Barnes was the Ref.When has he
ever given NZ anything?[1/6 wins under his mamagement
The Scrum is another way of starting play,BUT is now just a way to milk penalties by trying
to con the Ref.
The rules currently in use for the Scrum is more comprehensive than the WHOLE of the
Soccer rule book.
It is a FACT that like the Breakdown the REF could penalize EITHER side at EVERY Scrum
if he chose for something[and that`s when BOTH sides are going by the book]
This match will decide whether the parallels for NZ are 1991 or 2006.
We have yet to see full first team pick by NZ of fit players,this being perhaps the
nearest.It maybe last chance Saloon for some here whatever happens.
It`s last chance for NZ to tinker with the squad before announcing RWC one,Cheika
has won the RC and one hand on the Bledisloe.
All season he`s been picking his best team for each match building nicely,as expected
with the draw he`s won the RC as I predicted.
This time he`s made 6 changes from his point of view a win /win situation WIN with
this team.HE`s a Tactical Genius,lose it`s well it was expected but we`ve won the RC
and I have to see if ALL my squad are fit for RWC.
WHATEVER happens it would be a fool to put to much emphasis on ANY teams results
this year pre-RWC.Smoke and mirrors and IF you think France for example can be written
off?WELL?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:35 am

Aus didn't need to con the ref, they completely dominated the scrum.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:19 am

Australia started brightly, and New Zealand looked rattled. They couldn't cross the line, though, and it was the All Blacks who created a wonderful try from a turnover. Carter made a break and found Coles in support with a clear run to the line.

That settled the home team's nerves, and they have looked good for their seven point lead as we approach half time.

The crowd is booing Quade Cooper, which is pretty poor form.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat Aug 15, 2015 9:54 am

It's all New Zealand now. Carter made another lovely break, and his pass would have led to a score, but Quade Cooper tackled high. Owens had no hesitation in awarding a penalty try, and he binned Cooper. A few minutes later, Nonu has acres of space for a try. Shortly after that, Conrad Smith is over wide on the right. That's three quick tries to take the game completely away from the Wallabies, and we've still got 25 minutes to go.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:11 am

Wallabies back to 15 with Beale on for Cooper. They win a turnover but the scrum half gets reckless and throws a long pass which is clearly forward. This gives NZ and attacking scrum a few metres from the try line and they duly get a try. 41-6 with 12 minutes to go.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:22 am

Folau gets a consolation try. NZ put up a cross-field kick but Folau takes it, and when he lands, there's no-one in front of him, and he sprints away to the line.

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Post by George Carlin Sat Aug 15, 2015 10:38 am

All Blacks absolutely clinical in the second half.
Never seen a midfield as smart and potent as Carter, Nonu and Smith.
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Post by Cyril Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:03 am

GunsGerms wrote:The New Zealand herald doesn't think Australia will get out of their group in the WC:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/71051262/rugby-world-cup-pool-winner-predictions
NZ journos are hardly going to back the Aussies, but he may well be right right.

Normal service resumed. Australia not the all-conquering, World Champions elect that some had claimed them to be. Absolutely smashed. England will be licking their lips. Wales might think they've got a chance of ending their bad run.

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Post by emack2 Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:05 am

What a SURPRISE an ALL BLACKLASH,Carter maybe still can play a bit?given the Platform
by his forwards.Bledisloe means a lot to NZ the RC sadly in RWC year nothing the squad
now interests me more.
NZ may just win a RWC away BUT don`t bet your house on it.They have as good a chance as any.

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Post by yappysnap Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:15 am

To be fair, right up until the yellow card NZ looked very beatable, they couldn't get any momentum, didn't really threaten Oz other then a try against the run of play and were constantly hassled by Australia.

They did do very well to score so many tries in that 10 mins though

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Post by Cyril Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:18 am

yappysnap wrote:To be fair, right up until the yellow card NZ looked very beatable, they couldn't get any momentum, didn't really threaten Oz other then a try against the run of play and were constantly hassled by Australia.

They did do very well to score so many tries in that 10 mins though
The Aussies are still easy to rattle once you get them under the cosh. NZ took full advantage and took the game away and Aus had no answer.

I get the impression people have been getting a bit carried away with Aus momentum.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:39 am

It's hard to judge that Wallaby performance because there were a number of key changes. Not only did Cheika rejig the scrum, which was potent in the last Test, he put Pocock on the bench, and broke up the midfield combination which looked good last week.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat Aug 15, 2015 12:01 pm

emack2 wrote:Scrum tactics are common to ALL teams,fortunate Wayne Barnes was the Ref.When has he
ever given NZ anything?[1/6 wins under his mamagement
The Scrum is another way of starting play,BUT is now just a way to milk penalties by trying
to con the Ref.
The rules currently in use for the Scrum is more comprehensive than the WHOLE of the
Soccer rule book.
It is a FACT that like the Breakdown the REF could penalize EITHER side at EVERY Scrum
if he chose for something[and that`s when BOTH sides are going by the book]
This match will decide whether the parallels for NZ are 1991 or 2006.
We have yet to see full first team pick by NZ of fit players,this being perhaps the
nearest.It maybe last chance Saloon for some here whatever happens.
It`s last chance for NZ to tinker with the squad before announcing RWC one,Cheika
has won the RC and one hand on the Bledisloe.
All season he`s been picking his best team for each match building nicely,as expected
with the draw he`s won the RC as I predicted.
This time he`s made 6 changes from his point of view a win /win situation WIN with
this team.HE`s a Tactical Genius,lose it`s well it was expected but we`ve won the RC
and I have to see if ALL my squad are fit for RWC.
WHATEVER happens it would be a fool to put to much emphasis on ANY teams results
this year pre-RWC.Smoke and mirrors and IF you think France for example can be written
off?WELL?

Not sure it was smoke and NZ just didnt play well last week.

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Post by boomeranga Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:33 pm

It was good that no matter how puffed up the kiwis got this week they made no ground on our scrum.

Small pleasures, but good all the same.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:18 pm

Cyril wrote:
GunsGerms wrote:The New Zealand herald doesn't think Australia will get out of their group in the WC:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/71051262/rugby-world-cup-pool-winner-predictions
NZ journos are hardly going to back the Aussies, but he may well be right right.

Normal service resumed. Australia not the all-conquering, World Champions elect that some had claimed them to be. Absolutely smashed. England will be licking their lips. Wales might think they've got a chance of ending their bad run.

With Joubert running the show I doubt it. As for Australia I think they've been over-hyped since Cheika came in, and on top of that the aussie public/media seem to have developed a new level of patience and resilience. Deans didn't get any of that, I doubt their previous coach (the one forced to resign) had it either. What's also interesting is that no matter how much Aus lose to NZ by, they can still convincingly beat all the other teams in world rugby. I'd like them to go out at the world cup of course, but I think they're capable of raising the intensity to prevent that from happening.

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Post by Engine#4 Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:12 pm

emack2 wrote:Scrum tactics are common to ALL teams,fortunate Wayne Barnes was the Ref.When has he
ever given NZ anything?[1/6 wins under his mamagement

Fortunate because he hasn't a didgeridoo when it comes to the scrum.  I wasn't suggesting that Barnes has any bias thumbsup   Just that Woodcock got away with boring in under his watch, which is true. I already agreed that all teams engage in shenanigans in the scrum, especially when they are being pushed around. Good win for the All Blacks in the return anyway. More power to them

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Post by emack2 Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:42 am

This weekend you`ve had 5 test matchs,all friendlies. IF you can say that about ANY test
match.What have you learned?AllBlacks seldom lose two on the bounce NOW theres NEWS.
Australia were maybe over hyped?in a normal year,NZ with two home games to come would
PROBABLY have won RC 5-1.
That an understrength England were too good for an understrength France just?and they
had Scrum problems too.
An understrength Ireland were just too good against Scotland but a close run thing.
A solid win by SA and a performance by a player I`ve always rated Pat Lambie.When I say Smoke and Mirrors ,I mean just that.
ALL teams are keeping something in hand for the RWC,in case of the NH sides the 6 Ns
for the last 3 years has been decided on points difference[effectively a 3 way tie]
I don`t think there`s much between England,Ireland or Wales currently BUT Home
advantage JUST gives England the edge.France will be there or there abouts too.
The NH sides hold no fear for the SH sides SA squad all the injured will have miracle
cures.PLUS a large number of NH based players,Australia are a lot better than they
were last year.Finally Hansen has done a superb job getting his 6 man" Dads Army"intact
to the starting gate.The RC lost but the Bledisloe was NEVER going to be RWC back to back
I think unlikely?BUT?

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Post by Gwlad Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:41 am

Nonu's try should have been disallowed, Milner Skudder passed the ball from the floor, a practise that is being allowed far too often recently. off your feet you're out of the game.

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Post by emack2 Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:02 am

NOT SO the laws state tackled player must PASS the ball,or release and roll away .

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Post by George Carlin Mon Aug 17, 2015 8:46 am

emack2 wrote:NOT SO the laws state tackled player must PASS the ball,or release and roll away .
Alan - do you know what the law says about how long you get to make the pass?

I'm intrigued by this because if players are rucking over you and you still have control of the ball, how long before you are penalised for neither passing nor rolling away?
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Post by Rugby Fan Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:22 am

George Carlin wrote:
emack2 wrote:NOT SO the laws state tackled player must PASS the ball,or release and roll away .
Alan - do you know what the law says about how long you get to make the pass?

I'm intrigued by this because if players are rucking over you and you still have control of the ball, how long before you are penalised for neither passing nor rolling away?

Must be made "immediately"

15.5

(b) A tackled player must immediately pass the ball or release it. That player must also get up or move away from it at once.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=15&language=EN

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Post by George Carlin Mon Aug 17, 2015 9:28 am

Rugby Fan wrote:
George Carlin wrote:
emack2 wrote:NOT SO the laws state tackled player must PASS the ball,or release and roll away .
Alan - do you know what the law says about how long you get to make the pass?

I'm intrigued by this because if players are rucking over you and you still have control of the ball, how long before you are penalised for neither passing nor rolling away?

Must be made "immediately"

15.5

(b) A tackled player must immediately pass the ball or release it. That player must also get up or move away from it at once.

http://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=15&language=EN
Hmm. In that case, I think that Gwlad has a point.
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