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Post by Guest Mon 31 Aug 2015, 2:07 pm

I will try my best to match the standard set by JHM notworthy

We have Djokovic, Nishikori, Nadal and some guy called Cillic all in action today.

In the words of Delia: "Let's be avin you!"

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Post by bogbrush Mon 31 Aug 2015, 4:35 pm

A very good start!  clap

Cilic; he'll never do anything.

Nishikori putting some icing on Novaks cupcake.
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Post by kingraf Mon 31 Aug 2015, 4:55 pm

Much like the Apollo theatre, I suspect that at some point you're going to be pulled from stage... But good start
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Post by bogbrush Mon 31 Aug 2015, 6:29 pm

Watson hopeless here, I truly hate the moonballing so good for Davis.
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Post by Guest Mon 31 Aug 2015, 6:30 pm

Well Watson going the way of Boggo at Wimbledon.

Davis the much more positive player. Shows if you go for your shots, the rewards can be high.

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Post by bogbrush Mon 31 Aug 2015, 6:33 pm

Tragedy on Ashe. Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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Post by Guest Mon 31 Aug 2015, 6:39 pm

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Post by LuvSports! Mon 31 Aug 2015, 6:51 pm

Nishi had a mp....
Into a fifth we go.

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Post by Guest Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:05 pm

How can Sky put Venus on ahead of the rest of the other matches?!?!

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Post by Guest Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:28 pm

I take it Djokovics odds just got even shorter!

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Post by bogbrush Mon 31 Aug 2015, 7:43 pm

Is there anyone left in his half? A seeded semi final meeting with........ David Ferrer!!
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Post by Guest Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:02 pm

Laugh

Well is there anyone who can mount a serious challenge???

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Post by laverfan Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:28 pm

Very strange to see Paire take out Nishikori.

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Post by laverfan Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:34 pm

@BB...Nishikori's quarter was loaded with Frenchmen. Tsonga, Monfils, Paire. Cilic (defending champion) is also in the same quarter, a very surprising fact (will have to research similar instances from the past).

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Post by Born Slippy Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:35 pm

If Ferrer is fit, he will make the SF. However, I doubt he is, so I reckon it will be one of Cilic, Monfils or Dimitrov. All could cause Novak slightly more problems than Ferrer but realistically he is cruising to the final. Really hoping Rafa suddenly finds form to give Novak some challenge.

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Post by temporary21 Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:35 pm

Nishi Sad
That pains me slightly

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Post by Born Slippy Mon 31 Aug 2015, 8:52 pm

laverfan wrote:@BB...Nishikori's quarter was loaded with Frenchmen. Tsonga, Monfils, Paire. Cilic (defending champion) is also in the same quarter, a very surprising fact (will have to research similar instances from the past).

French Open 2015...

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Post by temporary21 Mon 31 Aug 2015, 10:54 pm

This looks a thumping

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Post by slashermcguirk Mon 31 Aug 2015, 10:57 pm

Gotta be honest, didn't know much about paire until a few weeks ago but watched him play djokovic in Montreal or Cincinnati and he was very impressive. Really good shotmaker and crushes his backhand.

You would have expected nishikori to beat him but paire was definitely a tricky first round opponent. Get the feeling he is quite streaky but when he is on song, he is dangerous.

Not watching the djokovic match but clearly he must be playing some decent stuff

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Post by HM Murdock Mon 31 Aug 2015, 11:02 pm

Nice symmetry from Novak. Wins 1,1,1 in 1:11!

Decent performance but the scoreline is more a reflection on Souza than Djokovic. The Brazilian was very poor.

Novak looks to have his serve rhythm back after losing it in Cincy though.

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Post by Guest82 Mon 31 Aug 2015, 11:18 pm

Paire was in the 20's rankings a few years back, dropped outside the top 100 earlier this year. Back up to 40 odd now.

Always think he should achieve more than he does. I enjoy watching him and actually backed him to beat Nishikori today, don't think Nishi is 100% fit.

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Post by Guest82 Mon 31 Aug 2015, 11:20 pm

Djokovic serving at 75%. If he continues doing that, he'll win it.

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Post by bogbrush Tue 01 Sep 2015, 1:26 am

This Wiliams / Diatchenko "match" is an utter farce, an insult to everyone in the stadium. The girl is crap, complete rubbish, she's possibly injured but neither playing or retiring, it's pathetic.

Ah she's retired. Thank God it's over.
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Post by summerblues Tue 01 Sep 2015, 2:24 am

Oh Nishi, what a shame. Who will beat Nole now? Goffin or Dimitrov? Very likely.

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Post by summerblues Tue 01 Sep 2015, 2:29 am

Straightforward first set to Rafa.

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Post by summerblues Tue 01 Sep 2015, 2:42 am

Smooth sailing so far for Rafa. An early break to love in the second set.

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Post by summerblues Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:06 am

6:2 second set. Coric's game looks very lightweight compared to Rafa's.

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Post by summerblues Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:21 am

Players who won the most ranking points in the first three slams this year:

1. Nole - 5200
2. Wawrinka - 3080
3. Murray - 2640
4. Federer - 1650
5. Berdych - 1080
6. Gasquet - 990
7. Tsonga - 810
8T. Nishikori - 765
8T. Nadal - 765

Players 2-6 are all in the bottom half. Nishi is gone. Nole could not have asked for a much better draw.

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Post by summerblues Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:53 am

Unbelievably, Rafa drops the third set. And it was nothing with what Coric did. Rafa had two bad DFs in the last game of the set and another unforced error.

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Post by summerblues Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:45 am

Rafa wins in four sets. Should have been three, Coric was never threatening. Rafa played to his 2015 standard - neither horrible nor great.

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Post by bogbrush Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:10 am

If that's where Rafa is - and surely it can only be so - then Djokovic is in the final already, with some gentle warm-ups to run himself into the tournament. Fair play to him, the draw is extremely easy but his standard would see him hot favourite no matter who was in his way.

For the sake of a competitive final everyone except Murray or Federer needs to fall away and let him reach the final similarly conditioned. I'm dreading Federer beating Murray in 5 gruelling sets and facing Djokovic - that could be seriously brutal!
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Post by YvonneT Tue 01 Sep 2015, 10:20 am

Looking the race, with Nishikori's loss it looks like Nadal should be in 5th or 6th position after the US Open. I suppose he might slip back slightly in the last part of the season where he had traditionally not done well, but certainly under no real threat from those below him for his place at the WTF. Quite strange really when it seems like such a poor year for him.

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Post by bogbrush Tue 01 Sep 2015, 11:15 am

I've said for ages that it will take some kind of total implosion for one of the top guys to miss out on the WTF. If Federer wanted to play to 38 I think he'll be qualifying.
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Post by Born Slippy Tue 01 Sep 2015, 12:07 pm

A poor day yesterday for the youngsters. Pouille and Ymer in particularly losing comfortably to journeymen.

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Post by LuvSports! Tue 01 Sep 2015, 12:37 pm

Wouldn't say Schwartzman is a journeyman at 22/23.

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Post by Henman Bill Tue 01 Sep 2015, 1:53 pm

I thought Coric, for 18, looked very promising player. He was hitting very nicely from the baseline with some good, angles, power and depth. Not many errors. Potentially due a breakout run . e.g. to maybe a slam QF next year.

I thought Rafa played well. I've seen worse this year, for sure. At times he out-powered Coric, even hitting from well behind the baseline cross court on the backhand, he has some serious power. His backhand I vaguely recall used to be weaker than that. Perhaps like Federer improved his backhand over the years while his forehand not quite the shot it used to be.

I think Schwartzman will be easy although some trickier ties coming up after.

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Post by Born Slippy Tue 01 Sep 2015, 1:58 pm

Hard to call a 23 year old yet to break into the top 50 anything else (relatively speaking in a slam of course). He's a decent player but I would be surprised if he ever makes top 20.

Just noted that LK had a 66% strike rate (Navarro and Dolgo both going out) and Venus narrowly scraping through.

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Post by LuvSports! Tue 01 Sep 2015, 2:03 pm

He's 5'7. Not easy in these conditions and at that height.

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Post by HM Murdock Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:25 pm

bogbrush wrote:If that's where Rafa is - and surely it can only be so - then Djokovic is in the final already, with some gentle warm-ups to run himself into the tournament. Fair play to him, the draw is extremely easy but his standard would see him hot favourite no matter who was in his way.

For the sake of a competitive final everyone except Murray or Federer needs to fall away and let him reach the final similarly conditioned. I'm dreading Federer beating Murray in 5 gruelling sets and facing Djokovic - that could be seriously brutal!
As much as my cautious pessimism makes me want to disagree, it's tough to argue with this as an objective assessment.

Djokovic falling before the final depends on things that might happen rather than things that are likely to happen.

Rafa might snap back into top form. Goffin might string together 3 sets of incredible shot-making. Raonic might serve lights out and snatch 3 sets. All of these things are possible but seem rather against the odds.

Getting to finals is the easy part for Djokovic though. Winning those finals is where he has come unstuck, so while I'm confident I'll see him in the final, I'm less confident I'll see him holding the trophy. I see him as the favourite but not an overwhelming one.

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Post by temporary21 Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:37 pm

The final looks nailed on. Good chance hell make it with plently in the tank too.
Winning will depend on,
Whether Murray gets there but takes a lot of on court time, if so, its almost a done deal
If Fed makes it, but takes a while, hes probably toast, if he gets there easily, he may well still struggle to stand up to 5 sets. If Novak returns well hell probably run him over.

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Post by Born Slippy Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:45 pm

Lol at the idea of Goffin or Raonic being credible threats to Djoker. Cilic is the only guy in that half (other than a suddenly in form Rafa) who could do any damage.

Personally, I think this is more or less a done deal. No chance of Fed living with Novak over 5 sets. Similarly, I don't think Andy has the fitness to get through the challenges he is likely to face without being out on his feet after 2 sets against Novak. Stan is the only player who could reach the final AND be a live danger once he gets there.

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Post by temporary21 Tue 01 Sep 2015, 3:58 pm

Watching the highlights of Rafas match.
Must say he looks like hes got TWICE he power he did in the warm up events, youd want him and Novak to get through as they look the only reasonably interesting QF

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Post by bogbrush Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:19 pm

temporary21 wrote:The final looks nailed on. Good chance hell make it with plently in the tank too.
Winning will depend on,
Whether Murray gets there but takes a lot of on court time, if so, its almost a done deal
If Fed makes it, but takes a while, hes probably toast, if he gets there easily, he may well still struggle to stand up to 5 sets. If Novak returns well hell probably run him over.
Federer has to bring out the half-volley returns, not so much because they're necessarily going to render Djokovic's 2nd serve service (though I think they're pretty good) but because Novak can sometimes be a bit ruffled and I really don't think he liked that tactic.

Yes, Novak has won R1 and Federer is yet to play, and I'm mapping out tactics for the big match. picard
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Post by temporary21 Tue 01 Sep 2015, 4:22 pm

The half volley returns might help in a TB, but his serve is what he needs to NAIL this open. Doesnt serve well enough in the Final then hes nearly no chance

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Post by bogbrush Tue 01 Sep 2015, 6:03 pm

For sure, but I'm enjoying plotting the devilish use of this "new' shot. I'm intrigued by anything in any field that changes the ground rules, so us fun to imagine this doing something interesting. Hopefully it gets wheeled out tonight.
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Post by TRuffin Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:38 pm

temporary21 wrote:Watching the highlights of Rafas match.
Must say he looks like hes got TWICE he power he did in the warm up events, youd want him and Novak to get through as they look the only reasonably interesting QF

WAY too many short balls though.. Any of the top players would have feasted on those in the 1st couple of sets. Coric plays so far back he couldn't move in aggressively enough. The times that he did, he had Nadal nailed. Nadal trying to return closer to the baseline wasn't all that impressive either. Maybe with more time he'll become more capable at it, but his returning from deep where he could rip it was much better than the soft returns he was able to come up with when his time was taken away by being near baseline. I guess there were some flashes of power, but from what I saw- straight set victory by Novak is what is going to happen.

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Post by It Must Be Love Tue 01 Sep 2015, 8:49 pm

I didn't think he was hitting that many short balls at all, his length was good, his problem was the unforced errors and crap second serve.

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Post by summerblues Wed 02 Sep 2015, 2:45 am

HB/falzy - if you only watched highlights Nadal probably looked better than in the match proper. He did hit quite a few spectacular shots - certainly enough to fill up highlights with - but overall it was very patchy.

He was again hitting great many short balls, and was overall quite inconsistent. It was very much like the rest of his season so far.

HB, regarding Coric: it depends on what the expectations are. He was playing quite well for his age, but given that he had been quite hyped before, I was expecting more from him. This was the first match I really saw him play and he struck me as very underpowered.

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Post by summerblues Wed 02 Sep 2015, 2:46 am

Kyrgios now broken to love himself - he did not look so superior in this game - so Andy just needs to hold serve the rest of the way.

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Post by summerblues Wed 02 Sep 2015, 3:00 am

Andy up a couple of breaks; should be plain sailing from here.

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