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Post by Henman Bill Wed 09 Sep 2015, 1:19 pm

Novak's gram slam consistency is becoming increasingly impressive. I thought it would be interesting to compare his longest consecutive streaks of reaching a certain round to that of Federer. Stats include the US Open.

Bolded numbers are active streaks, so still counting. These all include the US Open this year. You will see from the fact that they aren't bolded that Djokovic is not currently on his longest streak of SF, F or W, so his SF and potential F results in this tournament do not affect these numbers. They are finalised for the end of the US Open.

Federer
W:3
F:10
SF:23
QF:35
RD:36
R£:40
R2:50
R1:64


Djokovic
W:3
F:4
SF:14
QF:26
R4:26
R3:29
R2:39
R1:44


Notes:
1. Finals: Federer not only well ahead (10-4) but would have acheived 19 consecutive finals if it wasn't for a defeat to Novak himself at the Australian Open. Novak can equal his record of 4 consecutive finals if he wins his SF here, and could then try and catch up Fed, but he is far off.
2. Semi finals: Federer is well ahead (23 to 14) and Djokovic only has an active streak of 7, so Federer can relax for another decade or so at least with this record. Hoever note that if it wasn't for one 9-7 in the 5th defeat to Stan Warwinka in a quarter final, Djokovic would have just achieved his 22nd slam and be on course to tie Federer's record at the next AO. That record was supposed to stand forever, well Djokovic almost got it.
3. Quarter finals: 36 for Fed, Djokovic on 26 and counting, difficult for him to get it, but you never know.
4. Consecutive R1s includes R1 losses, so it's just turning up at the tournament. However I thouht it worth including - it's noteworthy that neither player has missed a single slam since juniors. 13 is the longest such streak Rafa has managed, vs 44 for Novak and 64 for Roger.

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Post by Henman Bill Wed 09 Sep 2015, 1:27 pm

Nadal
W: 3
F: 5
SF: 5
QF: 11
R4: 13
R3: 13
R2: 13
R1: 13

Note: The QF streak was achieved 2009-2012, the R4 (and 1,2,3) streaks were separately achieved 2006-2009. He has no active longest consecutive streaks.

His W ties with Federer and Novak, and his F actually beats Novak, but the rest of course trailing well behind.

In the above, an absence ends all streaks. Might be interesting to do it without that rule.

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Post by HM Murdock Wed 09 Sep 2015, 1:38 pm

Good number crunching, HB.

I can't decide which of Federer's numbers is most impressive - the 10 finals in a row or the 23 semi finals.

It's frustrating that the Wawrinka defeat ruined Novak's SF streak but I suppose Novak only just squeaked by Stan the previous year, so these things even out in  the long term.

But both players have extraordinary numbers.

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Post by Henman Bill Wed 09 Sep 2015, 1:42 pm

If we ignore absences, for Djokovic and Federer of course the results are the same.

Nadal (ignoring absences)

W: 3
F: 5
SF: 5
QF: 11
R4: 24
R3: 25
R2: 34
R1: 43

As it turns out, letting him ignore absences in consecutive streaks makes no difference to his best W, F, SF and QF streaks - still well behind Fed and Djok - but does increase his R4 streak from 13 to 24, which is still only one more than Fed's SF streak.

In this context R1 just means the number of slams where he reached at least R1, excluding slams which he didn't play in. Which of course is just the number of slams he's participated in his career. A rather meaningless statistic really just included for pedantic geeky completeness.


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Post by Henman Bill Wed 09 Sep 2015, 1:51 pm

Murray

W: 1
F: 3 (4 ignoring 2013 FO absence)
SF: 5
QF: 9 (18, and just snapped, ignoring FO absence)
R4: 10 (19 if we ignore FO 2013 absence)

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Post by dummy_half Wed 09 Sep 2015, 2:56 pm

Of course Federer's records are phenomenal - the streaks of 10 + 8 consecutive finals, only split by one SF defeat, is a class apart. 23 consecutive SFs is another that is unlikely to be matched in the foreseeable future (remember that is 1 event short of 6 years).

Currently Djokovic is 9 consecutive QFs behind, so would need to reach all for the next 2 seasons + AO2018. Plausible, but he still has some way to go, and will be in his early 30s by the time he gets there.

As for the overall streak of tournaments - Fed hasn't missed a GS since the turn of the Millenium. Djoko is 20 tournaments behind (and Fed's streak is still active), so will have to not miss a GS for 5 seasons once Fed's sequence is broken. Given how Novak plays, the fact that he has an active streak of 11 seasons without a GS absence is phenomenal in itself (and compares hugely favourably with Rafa or Andy (streaks of 13 and 22 respectively), but his chances of matching Fed are slim to nil.

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Post by sirfredperry Wed 09 Sep 2015, 3:07 pm

The consecutive Slam-playing records of Fed and Djoko are as much a testimony to fitness as form. Fed, of course, has a chance to beat Santoro's record of the most Slams played (non-consecutive).
Fed is the only player to chalk up at least 50 wins at each of the four Slams (it's actually over 60 at each now), although Djoko is now very close to matching this.

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Post by bogbrush Wed 09 Sep 2015, 4:08 pm

When you look at the run of Lendl in finals (6 I think) being the next best of anyone, Federers 18 in 19 is mental.
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Post by Jahu Wed 09 Sep 2015, 4:20 pm

Nice stats.

The day Djoko quits, no one will remember him, just a lucky guy who fought an aging Fed, injured Nadal and not very stable Murray. Whistle

Keep it on topic now, guys Smile
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Post by HM Murdock Wed 09 Sep 2015, 4:24 pm

Jahu, your man crush on Djoko is getting you all twisted up.

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Post by Jahu Wed 09 Sep 2015, 7:41 pm

Thats why I said keep it on topic ahhaha

Anything for money, papi, twist or not Smile
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Post by socal1976 Wed 09 Sep 2015, 7:59 pm

Interestingly I believe Djokovic if he gets to the US open final and one more in a row, will tie the record for most consecutive finals in an ATP tournament in a row. Since Abu Dhabi that would be 11 finals in a row in a single season would be extremely impressive. I don't think the Quarterfinals record is untouchable it certainly could happen especially if he maintains a top 4 ranking over the next couple of years which I think is pretty safe barring injury. I mean really sensational numbers, he is the guy who is willing to pay the price to be the best around. And if he will never be as loved as Fed and Nadal, he has a rich CV and legacy of his own in the game.

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