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Post by George Carlin Thu 17 Sep 2015, 6:42 am

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SCOTLAND V JAPAN
23 September 2015
KO: 14:30 BST
Kingsholm, Gloucester

Live on [tbc]

Referee: John Lacey (Ireland)
Touch judges: George Clancy (Ireland) & Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Television match official: Shaun Veldsman (South Africa)

A. Head to Head

4 Played 4
4 Won 0
0 Drawn 0
0 Lost 4
221 Points 45

B. Recent Form

09 Nov 2013
Scotland 42 - 17 Japan
Murrayfield, Edinburgh

13 Nov 2004
Scotland 100 - 8 Japan
McDiarmid Park, Perth

12 Oct 2003
Scotland 32 - 11 Japan
Dairy Farmers Stadium, Townsville

05 Oct 1991
Scotland 47 - 9 Japan
Murrayfield, Edinburgh

C. Teams

SCOTLAND
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15 Stuart Hogg
14 Tommy Seymour
13 Mark Bennett
12 Matt Scott
11 Sean Lamont
10 Finn Russell
09 Greig Laidlaw (c)

01 Ali Dickinson
02 Ross Ford
03 Willem Nel
04 Grant Gilchrist
05 Jonny Gray
06 Ryan Wilson
07 John Hardie
08 David Denton

16 Fraser Brown
17 Ryan Grant
18 Jon Welsh
19 Richie Gray
20 Joshua Strauss
21 Henry Pyrgos
22 Peter Horne
23 Sean Maitland

JAPAN
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01- Keita Inagaki
02- Shota Horie
03- Hiroshi Yamashita
04- Luke Thompson
05- Justin Ives
06- Michael Leitch (captain)
07- Michael Broadhurst
08- Amanaki Mafi

09- Fumiaki Tanaka
10- Harumichi Tatekawa
11- Kenki Fukuoka
12- Yu Tamura
13- Male Sa'u
14- Kotaro Matsushima
15- Ayumu Goromaru

16- Takeshi Kizu
17- Masataka Mikami
18- Kensuke Hatakeyama
19- Shinya Makabe
20- Shoji Ito
21- Hendrik Tui
22- Atsushi Hiwasa
23- Karne Hesketh


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Post by awayandbileyerheid Thu 17 Sep 2015, 9:48 am

When is the team announcement ?

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Post by RDW Thu 17 Sep 2015, 9:59 am

Monday or Tuesday I suspect.

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Post by dallym Thu 17 Sep 2015, 10:50 am

Japan by 8

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 10:55 am

dallym wrote:Japan by 8

Thank you that's most helpful...

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Post by Weegie Wizard Thu 17 Sep 2015, 11:17 am

The main issue for Scotland here is how to rotate the squad given the 4 day turnaround for the USA game.

I would go for

Dickinson, Ford, Nel
Gilchrist, Gray Snr
Wilson, Denton, Hardie

Laidlaw, Weir
Scott, Vernon
Visser, Hogg & Maitland

Bench – Reid, Bryce, Welsh, Gray Jnr, Strauss, Pyrgos, Russell & Seymour.

The way I see it, either Hogg or Maitland (and Hardie, unless Brown plays 7 against USA) are going to have to start both games. Given Maitland is only just back from injury, I think it will be Hogg.

Scotland by at least 20.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 17 Sep 2015, 11:25 am

Disagree with you there WeegieWiz. The 1st XV should start the game and get 60 minutes together. If it's going well then key players can be subbed on 60 mins. Strauss also needs to play 80 minutes for obvious reasons.

This is my take:

1.Dickinson 2.Ford 3.Nel 4.J Gray 5.R Gray 6.Strauss 7.Hardie 8.Denton 9.Laidlaw 10.Russell 11.Seymour 12.Scott 13.Bennett 14.Maitland 15.Hogg

16.Reid 17.Brown 18.Welsh 19.Gilchrist 20.Wilson 21.SH-C 22.Weir 23.Lamont

Subs on 60 mins (on the basis that Japan can't catch up):

Brown for Ford
Reid for Dickinson
Gilchrist for J Gray
Wilson for Denton (with Strauss moving to 8 with Wilson at 6)
SH-C for Laidlaw
Weir for Russell (Weir takes over the kicking)
Lamont for Hogg (with Lamont going to the left wing, Seymour to the right wing and Maitland getting 20 minutes at 15)

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Post by EWT Spoons Thu 17 Sep 2015, 11:38 am

Yeah I think I agree with FES on this one.  With any luck we can put a decent score on Japan and give some of the players a rest around 40-60 mins.  At the same time we can’t underestimate Japan as they are an improving side.  We should win, but we can’t expect to win, if you know what I mean.  I think we’ve fallen into the trap previously of taking wins against the smaller nations (in rugby terms) for granted and struggled because they’re up for the match and we’re not.  Play with the same intensity that we had against Italy in the 2nd test and France and we should win comfortably.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:29 pm

I know it's been done to death but the poor selections in the pack really do look to cause us difficulties against the USA. We will need to rotate for that game, and I just don't like the idea of a pack including Welsh, Swinson, Strokosch and potentially Wilson at 7. These just aren't the best players we could have put out.

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Post by Weegie Wizard Thu 17 Sep 2015, 12:41 pm

Thing is, by putting out a full strength team against Japan saying we want to respect the opposition, we will need to play a much weaker team against USA. While Japan are probably better than the USA, I don't think there is all that much between them. USA actually beat them in the PNC a couple of months ago.

I think it is better to put out a 75% strength team in both games (if you forgive my maths)

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Post by jimbopip Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:23 pm

Lacey and Clownshoes officiating FFS picard picard picard

We're doomed, doomed I say.

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Post by jimbopip Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:44 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:Disagree with you there WeegieWiz. The 1st XV should start the game and get 60 minutes together. If it's going well then key players can be subbed on 60 mins. Strauss also needs to play 80 minutes for obvious reasons.

This is my take:

1.Dickinson 2.Ford 3.Nel 4.J Gray 5.R Gray 6.Strauss 7.Hardie 8.Denton 9.Laidlaw 10.Russell 11.Seymour 12.Scott 13.Bennett 14.Maitland 15.Hogg

16.Reid 17.Brown 18.Welsh 19.Gilchrist 20.Wilson 21.SH-C 22.Weir 23.Lamont

Subs on 60 mins (on the basis that Japan can't catch up):

Brown for Ford
Reid for Dickinson
Gilchrist for J Gray
Wilson for Denton (with Strauss moving to 8 with Wilson at 6)
SH-C for Laidlaw
Weir for Russell (Weir takes over the kicking)
Lamont for Hogg (with Lamont going to the left wing, Seymour to the right wing and Maitland getting 20 minutes at 15)

I think Fes is just about spot on here.

We need to see this as a knock-out match because if we lose this one it'll be very difficult to get back on track. So, just like the Boks, we put out our strongest side and hammer the opposition. Then we see who's available for the USA match.

15. Hogg/ bring on NoMaits as so as we're feeling safe. Maitland should then start against USA
14. Schlong... BVC seems very keen on picking the bigger laddie all other things being equal
13.Bennett.. Richie V can start against the USA
12 Furra Linee... Family Sized made too many errors v France, he can redeem himself V USA
11. Seymour... to be replaced by Mr Gun-Shy asap
10. Dancer... to be replaced by Slightly Slimmer Than Family Sized who can start v USA
9. I Can't Believe He's Still There.. to be replaced by SHC and then Henners to come in next game.

I think Fes has the pack just right.
Let's pump the sons of Nippon.

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Post by tigertattie Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:55 pm

I'd like to take this oppertunity to remember the great Bill McLaren who proclaimed in our game against Japan in Perth 2004

"There's a wee nip out there tonight"
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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 1:55 pm

I agree with FES. we should use the Japan game to really throw down a marker and signify our intent.

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Post by GLove39 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 3:14 pm

Indeed Radge.
To be honest, anything less than this https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scotland+v+japan+2004 will be disappointing...

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Post by George Carlin Thu 17 Sep 2015, 3:20 pm

tigertattie wrote:I'd like to take this oppertunity to remember the great Bill McLaren who proclaimed in our game against Japan in Perth 2004

"There's a wee nip out there tonight"
Amazing. Laugh

I just want the Duke of Edinburgh co-commentating and my life would be complete.
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Post by tigertattie Thu 17 Sep 2015, 3:47 pm

Oooo. Imagine Argentina vs Fiji with HRH Prince Philip and Jeremy Clarckson doing the commentary!
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Post by RDW Thu 17 Sep 2015, 5:56 pm

Japan team has been announced for SA- anyone have a clue if they are resting players or not?

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Post by RDW Thu 17 Sep 2015, 5:59 pm

https://twitter.com/JRFURugby/status/644522964403265536

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Post by Rugby Fan Thu 17 Sep 2015, 6:10 pm

On the matter of who was chosen to represent Japan in the OP, there can clearly never be a definitive answer. However, in a recent Japanese poll of "Who would you most like to have as a girlfriend?" Haruka Ayase was a clear winner.

https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E7%B6%BE%E7%80%AC%E3%81%AF%E3%82%8B%E3%81%8B&hl=ja&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAWoVChMItbLgn8f-xwIVQbOUCh2plQoj#

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Post by George Carlin Thu 17 Sep 2015, 9:32 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:On the matter of who was chosen to represent Japan in the OP, there can clearly never be a definitive answer. However, in a recent Japanese poll of "Who would you most like to have as a girlfriend?" Haruka Ayase was a clear winner.

https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%E7%B6%BE%E7%80%AC%E3%81%AF%E3%82%8B%E3%81%8B&hl=ja&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAWoVChMItbLgn8f-xwIVQbOUCh2plQoj#
Nah - my girl Kou Shibasaki is Japanese team rep for a reason. heart
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Post by jimbopip Thu 17 Sep 2015, 10:11 pm

Tell me more, tell me more.

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Post by Gwlad Thu 17 Sep 2015, 10:33 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I agree with FES. we should use the Japan game to really throw down a marker and signify our intent.


What form will that take?

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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 17 Sep 2015, 10:41 pm

Gwlad wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I agree with FES. we should use the Japan game to really throw down a marker and signify our intent.


What form will that take?

We should be looking to beat Japan by more than two scores (by that I mean tries, so 10 points +), and keep ball in hand in the process. A positive start with good attacking rugby.

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Post by GLove39 Thu 17 Sep 2015, 11:26 pm

funnyExiledScot wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I agree with FES. we should use the Japan game to really throw down a marker and signify our intent.


What form will that take?

We should be looking to beat Japan by more than two scores (by that I mean tries, so 10 points +), and keep ball in hand in the process. A positive start with good attacking rugby.

Just to add that if we fail to put 4 tries past Japan we'd be as well packing up & heading home.

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Post by Gwlad Thu 17 Sep 2015, 11:52 pm

Oct 10th and 11th is a massive weekend for home nations in the group games

On the 10th you guys play Samoa for the 2nd spot in your group and Wales play Aus quite possibly for survival, and on the 11th Ireland play France to avoid NZ in the quarters.

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Post by Majestic83 Fri 18 Sep 2015, 11:05 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Japan team has been announced for SA- anyone have a clue if they are resting players or not?

Nope looks pretty much like their strongest team. Japan are definitely not going to be a team to take likely. They have some pretty decent players in there. Obvious names are Tanaka and horie who play in super rugby. Others to look out for are the full back Ayumu Goromaru who is an excellent kicker and very physical. He cause Scotland a few problems the last time we played Japan at Murrayfield. Craig Wing playing at 12, ex Australian League international and state of origin player. Been playing union since 09 I think out in Japan and despite being 35 is showing good form. Akihito Yamada has spent the last season with the Western Force, didn't take the field in Super rugby due to injury but did play their warm up games and from all accounts looked very good. The other winger is also pretty good, Kotaro Matsushima was born and raised in South Africa, played for the sharks before moving out to play in japan, spent last season playing for the waratahs and playing in the Sydney league.

In their forwards Michael Leitch played for the Chiefs for the last two seasons playing mostly at No 8 alongside Messam and Cane.
The other 2 back rowers are also very experienced and have experience of playing high level rugby in New Zealand as well.
We should beat Japan but it won't be easy going I don't think.

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Post by highland_scot Fri 18 Sep 2015, 11:37 am

Majestic83 wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Japan team has been announced for SA- anyone have a clue if they are resting players or not?

Nope looks pretty much like their strongest team. Japan are definitely not going to be a team to take likely. They have some pretty decent players in there. Obvious names are Tanaka and horie who play in super rugby. Others to look out for are the full back Ayumu Goromaru who is an excellent kicker and very physical. He cause Scotland a few problems the last time we played Japan at Murrayfield. Craig Wing playing at 12, ex Australian League international and state of origin player. Been playing union since 09 I think out in Japan and despite being 35 is showing good form. Akihito Yamada has spent the last season with the Western Force, didn't take the field in Super rugby due to injury but did play their warm up games and from all accounts looked very good. The other winger is also pretty good, Kotaro Matsushima was born and raised in South Africa, played for the sharks before moving out to play in japan, spent last season playing for the waratahs and playing in the Sydney league.

In their forwards Michael Leitch played for the Chiefs for the last two seasons playing mostly at No 8 alongside Messam and Cane.
The other 2 back rowers are also very experienced and have experience of playing high level rugby in New Zealand as well.
We should beat Japan but it won't be easy going I don't think.

Maybe we should be encouraging Tosh McStrauss and Willie McNellie to pass on a "hit list" to their former Saffer compatriots - please damage these players first!

I remember Male S'au being a pretty tough guy to deal with for us too. Not a team to take lightly, but a team we should be beating.

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Fri 18 Sep 2015, 12:14 pm

Gwlad wrote:Oct 10th and 11th is a massive weekend for home nations in the group games

On the 10th you guys play Samoa for the 2nd spot in your group and Wales play Aus quite possibly for survival, and on the 11th Ireland play France to avoid NZ in the quarters.

That is presuming Scotland haven't already beaten South Africa. It is entirely conceivable for Scotland to beat SA and then collapse against Samoa thus securing our exit from the RWC.

Wales I do feel for despite your numerous attempts to troll us for one reason on another across multiple threads. Your group is particularly tough, the loss of Halfpenny is a bitter one.
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Post by tigertattie Fri 18 Sep 2015, 12:22 pm

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Post by lostinwales Fri 18 Sep 2015, 2:06 pm

tigertattie wrote:ghost

Nah - Ghostie was at least subtle for a while before he started getting really worked up. And he was smart. You don't have to be a ghost to be a 'Russian'

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Post by tigertattie Fri 18 Sep 2015, 2:14 pm

lostinwales wrote:
tigertattie wrote:ghost

Nah - Ghostie was at least subtle for a while before he started getting really worked up. And he was smart. You don't have to be a ghost to be a 'Russian'

Reffering to Ghost as "smart" is an insult to smart people!
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Post by Rugby Fan Fri 18 Sep 2015, 4:17 pm



The TV station which produced this segment pulled it from their website, and apologized for not taking rugby seriously.

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Post by GLove39 Sat 19 Sep 2015, 5:38 pm

Half time in Brighton. Japan 10 - 12 Boks Shocked

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Post by RDW Sat 19 Sep 2015, 5:40 pm

I'm very much dreading Wednesday - it is gonna be incredibly tough

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Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 19 Sep 2015, 5:42 pm

If Japan bring this level of intensity on Wednesday those Scottish fans who are still expecting us to comfortably swat them aside could be in for a nasty shock! Will be interesting to see how they hold up in this second half, but they've certainly come out of the blocks very well

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Post by TightHEAD Sat 19 Sep 2015, 5:42 pm

good luck Scotland.
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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 19 Sep 2015, 5:51 pm

I think i will wait and see what the outcome of the SA v Japan game.

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Post by MacKnocked-on Sat 19 Sep 2015, 6:27 pm

No need to worry, Japan may be an incredibly fast, fit and mobile but we've got Strokers...

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Post by RDW Sat 19 Sep 2015, 6:45 pm

Shocked

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Post by tigertattie Sat 19 Sep 2015, 6:49 pm

Hopefully Japan are exhausted after that game and won't put up a fight on Wednesday
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Post by RDW Sat 19 Sep 2015, 6:53 pm

Dave Denton -

Here's hoping the Japanese go and get melted tonight to celebrate

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Post by jimbopip Sat 19 Sep 2015, 6:56 pm

Top marks Japan.

We will have to be at our best on Wednesday.

South Africa are beatable.

Can't wait till Wednesday.

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Post by tigertattie Sat 19 Sep 2015, 6:57 pm

Brighton is about to run out of saki
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Post by bsando Sat 19 Sep 2015, 7:01 pm

So yeah, first team for Wednesday please. Can't believe bokks fielded a B side

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Post by Notch Sat 19 Sep 2015, 7:04 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Dave Denton -

Here's hoping the Japanese go and get melted tonight to celebrate

OK
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Post by BigGee Sat 19 Sep 2015, 7:07 pm

Any thoughts of anything but an A team have evaporated as the final whistle went. I don't imagine it was ever in BVC plans anyway.

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Post by RDW Sat 19 Sep 2015, 7:14 pm

A few positives to take for Scotland:

South Africa are vulnerable

Japan missed 25 tackles apparently


So I suspect we're going to get plenty chances against them, I just hope we don't offer as many back!

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Post by jimbopip Sat 19 Sep 2015, 7:21 pm

Given the pace and intricacies of Japan's play in midfield I would go with Furra Linee at 12.
I just think a 10-13 who all play together regularly would cope better.
We also need a fast back row so Wilson at 6.

Japan will go for it.
Should be a cracker.

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Post by jimbopip Sat 19 Sep 2015, 7:28 pm

The Boks will retreat into themselves and revert to caveman rugby next week. Which will suit Samoa who are playing their second string tomorrow. Next week should be bloody. By the time we get to Newcastle we could both be going home.

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