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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:44 am

A little pointer to the age we are living in..and how times have changed...Looking at the list I can't see a British fighter bar Brook that has an outside chance and he'd be 6/1.............Liam Smith for me being the most outclassed.

Hagler v Andy Lee................Ouch ouch ouch ouch

McCallum v Liam Smith.............Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch

Curry v Kell Brook..............Ouch ouch

Camacho v Flanagan/Crolla........Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch

Nelson v Selby.....................Ouch ouch ouch

Lora v Haskins..................Ouch ouch ouch..

Pointless putting Matthews and Eubank on the list..

I'd make Quigg/Frampton slight favorites over Callejas...........Supermiddle was just starting and ignored back then......One alphabet had Murray Sutherland I believe so left that out too..


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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:23 pm

Careful Truss, your bitterness is showing Smile
Whilst there is too many belts, the holders have only beaten what was in front of them, yes the stupid defences get on our nerves but it happens across the world sadly.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:25 pm

Not bitter................Resigned..

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:30 pm

Do the belts actually mean anything anymore to fans???
I don't care now unless it's someone I like fighting and even then I know it doesn't mean much due tot he state of the organisations. I do kind of agree with you that we've got a lot of fringe fighters holding belts (Matthews is an interim one so can let him off) and the proliferation of them just kills it all for me

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:33 pm

Darren Barker - "It's a great feeling knowing I held the belt Marvin hagler held".....

I guess that's the problem...............Certainly don't blame Barker and Crolla types...They are good kids....

But I am struggling to think of a fighter Hagler beat in his 12 defence reign Daniel Geale would have beaten...

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:34 pm

Why not bring up the following

Wilder vs Holmes
Quillin vs Hagler
Bradley vs Curry

Or the host of other poor American champions out there.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:40 pm

I agree plenty of crap Americans too....

But there also a few that are number 1 at their weight..

We'll leave it at that.....

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Post by Derbymanc Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:46 pm

You've got a good point Truss just need to include everyone in it to get it across Smile

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:49 pm

There isn't a single American who is the consensus number one at a weight Truss.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:50 pm

Not really... because there isn't a Brit on that list who hasn't been steered to the weakest option in order to win a belt..

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:55 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:There isn't a single American who is the consensus number one at a weight Truss.

Spin.............

Ward is 4 p4p and Crawford is 7......Both are the best in their divisions......Besides Danny Garcia is number 1 really..

Stevenson is North American as well... Wink

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:58 pm

Bradley, Wilder, Crawford, Jacobs, Charlo, Broner and Russell Jnr all took equally easy paths to their titles, none of them are considered to be the number one in their division.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:59 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:There isn't a single American who is the consensus number one at a weight Truss.

Spin.............

Ward is 4 p4p and Crawford is 7......Both are the best in their divisions......Besides Danny Garcia is number 1 really..

Stevenson is North American as well... Wink

Ward no longer fights at 168lbs nor does Garcia at Light Welterweight and Crawford has fought nobody of note at Light Welterweight or they both number one in the same division. Postol's win over Matthysse has seen him elevated to the de facto number one at the moment.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:06 pm

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Bradley, Wilder, Crawford, Jacobs, Charlo, Broner and Russell Jnr all took equally easy paths to their titles, none of them are considered to be the number one in their division.

I've admitted that......

But you haven't got a single champion who has picked up a piece of pie the hard way.......Garcia...Stevo...Ward etc all beat the best..

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:20 pm

Nor do you, this isn't 2012 any more.

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Post by Rodney Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:40 am

I thought boxing/boxers improved through the generations Truss ? 30 years is a long time. How many 100m records have gone since then ? Wink

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:42 am

Rodney wrote:I thought boxing/boxers improved through the generations Truss ? 30 years is a long time. How many 100m records have gone since then ? Wink

Cheers, Rodders

Stopped improving when the WBO came along Roddy...

People don't have the same breeding old timers like you and me have unfortunately...

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Post by TopHat24/7 Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:47 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:There isn't a single American who is the consensus number one at a weight Truss.

Depends how you treat the dull unmotivated joke - Andre Ward.

What about Terence Crawford at LWW?

Those two aside, US barely gets a look in these days really.....

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