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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:38 pm

Basically name a fighter.

I will start.

Mike Tyson (obvious choice) I think great.

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Post by Steffan Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:42 pm

Joe Calzaghe - Great or Not?

The guy is great

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:42 pm

Yes he is.

De la Hoya? I think so.

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Post by Steffan Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:46 pm

Carl Froch - Great or Not?

The guy is not great

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Post by Guest Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:50 pm

Peter Jackson - BLOODY GREAT

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:56 pm

DAVE667 wrote:Peter Jackson - BLOODY GREAT

I have a book on Heavyweights and I have read loads about him. Definitely a great.


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Post by Coxy001 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 1:58 pm

Boring game, I'll go through a few posters lists!

Truss: Anyone from America from 1980-until Tyson got owned = great.

AdamT: No-one is great, apart from Floyd. Ohhhh Floyd, when will you let me cradle your balls = great.

Rowley: Anyone who fought in pre-invention of the TV = great.

Chris: God knows, lose interest in his essays before I get to the main point

Rowley: Anyone who is from Sheffield = great.

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:00 pm

Coxy who do you regard as great? Probably nobody because you are a swine Cool

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Post by Coxy001 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:07 pm

AdamT wrote:Coxy who do you regard as great? Probably nobody because you are a angry swine Cool

Edited the above, get it right next time. But those who I think great not from a conventional list?

Calderon, never gets a mention. First ballot HOF'r

My "not great" list has been documented on here already via my dulcit, reasoned tones that enchant you all.

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:09 pm

Camacho is great!

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:16 pm

also the point of the thread is not to throw up the obvious greats, like Ali, Louis etc.

Max Baer??

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:16 pm

Alexander the great is great but Devon is not.

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:18 pm

He was great after Khan beat him.

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Post by shenglong2015 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:36 pm

AdamT wrote:He was great after Khan beat him.

lol....yeah happens a lot after Khan victories.

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:40 pm

To be fair to Khan, he is a good boxer. He just has too many vulnerabilities to be great.

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Post by milkyboy Tue 09 Feb 2016, 2:58 pm

Coxy001 wrote:

My "not great" list has been documented on here already via my dullshit tones that enchant you all.

Fixed that for you.

Sorry to butt in on another Amir khan't club meeting. Though such is there regularity it is tough to find a window of opportunity between them.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:27 pm

Steffan wrote:Carl Froch - Great or Not?

The guy is not great

He's a "4 time world champion" that fought in front of 80,000 people at Wembley !!!

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Post by milkyboy Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:34 pm

Not just fought in front of 80,000 truss. He knocked out George groves in front of 80,000 people.

Not only is he great, he's a massive international superstar... If he says so himself.

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:35 pm

I think Froch is great, at least in British terms. You would never see him pancaked by a nobody and he always fought the best. The 80,000 thing is a bit much!

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:48 pm

This one might be controversial

Michael Moorer = Great

Why?

He was one of the best light heavyweight champions ever who then moved up and won the greatest prize in sport so I see Moorer as a great.

The 90's era was a great H/W era and he can be ranked with the likes of Holy, Bowe, Foreman and Tyson.

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Post by TopHat24/7 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:52 pm

And Lewis.....

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:52 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:This one might be controversial

Michael Moorer = Great

Why?

He was one of the best light heavyweight champions ever who then moved up and won the greatest prize in sport so I see Moorer as a great.

The 90's era was a great H/W era and he can be ranked with the likes of Holy, Bowe, Foreman and Tyson.

Good joke..

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:53 pm

90s vs 80s heavyweight scene! which was better??

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:54 pm

TopHat24/7 wrote:And Lewis.....

Haha sh*t totally forgot about him lol

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:58 pm

Not much seperating Holmes/Tyson 80s and Lewis/Holy.......Though Holy was a heavy in the 80s..

But Douglas, Thomas, Witherspoon, Weaver, Spinks, Page, Tubbs, Dokes, Tucker, Biggs, Smith, Bruno.....probably means more strength in depth

Though Bowe, Tua, Moorer, Mercer and Morrison, Foreman were good fighters and belong in that group..

George obviously being a shell..

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue 09 Feb 2016, 3:59 pm

AdamT wrote:90s vs 80s heavyweight scene! which was better??

90's no doubt.

The 80's was mostly a Holmes affair then along comes guys like Whittiker, Bonecrusher, Bruno, Dokes, Tubbs, Ribalta, Cooney, 'truth' Williams, and pulling up the rear a certain Mike Tyson

compare that to Tyson, Holy, Bowe, Lewis, Morrison, Moorer, Tua, even Cooper.


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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:01 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And Lewis.....

Haha sh*t totally forgot about him lol

1-1 with a Bowe slammed Holy...and all stiffs with a cheap belt at 175 makes Moorer great.....

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Post by ONETWOFOREVER Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:04 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And Lewis.....

Haha sh*t totally forgot about him lol

1-1 with a Bowe slammed Holy...and all stiffs with a cheap belt at 175 makes Moorer great.....

So you will disregard the fact he was a 2 weight world champ in a talent rich era???

If he aint great then what does his accomplishments merit?

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:05 pm

Was he greater than Tony Tubbs??

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:10 pm

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And Lewis.....

Haha sh*t totally forgot about him lol

1-1 with a Bowe slammed Holy...and all stiffs with a cheap belt at 175 makes Moorer great.....

So you will disregard the fact he was a 2 weight world champ in a talent rich era???

If he aint great then what does his accomplishments merit?

I think he's a mile away from what Michael Spinks achieved....

Qawi, Pops Johnson, Mustafa Muhammad...5 years unbeaten as champion....unified the title.....Beat Holmes twice....

Moorer had a crap at the time WBO belt (It was junk then) ...Never fought anybody decent at 175........and beat a poor Holy...losing to a slob in his first defence !!..

Do me a favor..

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:12 pm

Spinks is definitely a great.

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Post by Soldier_Of_Fortune Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:13 pm

Moorer beats Jones at light heavy!

Deal!

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:14 pm

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:Moorer beats Jones at light heavy!

Deal!

You can't rate a fighter on what he might have done...

I'd pick Jones jr to beat Ray Robinson at 160...

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Post by AdamT Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:15 pm

If SRR used ripped fuel, I think I would pick him. Though you do have a valid point.

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Post by Nico the gman Tue 09 Feb 2016, 4:20 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Steffan wrote:Carl Froch - Great or Not?

The guy is not great

He's a "4 time world champion" that fought in front of 80,000 people at Wembley !!!
Yes Truss, but Froch had the audacity to call out Calzaghe and criticize him, so regardless of what he did in the ring, it means in Wales he can't be classed as great, you know the score.

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Post by Steffan Tue 09 Feb 2016, 10:15 pm

Nico the gman wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Steffan wrote:Carl Froch - Great or Not?

The guy is not great

He's a "4 time world champion" that fought in front of 80,000 people at Wembley !!!
Yes Truss, but Froch had the audacity to call out Calzaghe and criticize him, so regardless of what he did in the ring, it means in Wales he can't be classed as great, you know the score.
Truss was being sarcastic. Not that you would be able to understand that...

Truss has stated before the only fighters from Britain that he rates as as great over the last 20 years are Calzaghe, Naz and Lennox


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Post by Hammersmith harrier Tue 09 Feb 2016, 10:20 pm

AdamT wrote:If SRR used ripped fuel, I think I would pick him. Though you do have a valid point.

Which was of course completely legal until the Hall fight, when it (andros) was banned by only the IBF.

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Post by hazharrison Wed 10 Feb 2016, 6:58 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
AdamT wrote:If SRR used ripped fuel, I think I would pick him. Though you do have a valid point.

Which was of course completely legal until the Hall fight, when it (andros) was banned by only the IBF.

The "ripped fuel" excuse of course was never proven. Jones tested positive for a steroid - that's all we know.

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Post by hazharrison Wed 10 Feb 2016, 7:00 am

ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
ONETWOFOREVER wrote:
TopHat24/7 wrote:And Lewis.....

Haha sh*t totally forgot about him lol

1-1 with a Bowe slammed Holy...and all stiffs with a cheap belt at 175 makes Moorer great.....

So you will disregard the fact he was a 2 weight world champ in a talent rich era???

If he aint great then what does his accomplishments merit?

He held an ABC at light heavy and will go down as one of the poorest heavyweight (lineal) champs in history. He was not a great fighter.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Wed 10 Feb 2016, 7:34 am

A steroid that wasn't on the WADA banned list and had only just been added by the IBF, as far as the WBC and WBA were concerned he didn't fail any test.

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Post by hazharrison Wed 10 Feb 2016, 8:40 am

Hammersmith harrier wrote:A steroid that wasn't on the WADA banned list and had only just been added by the IBF, as far as the WBC and WBA were concerned he didn't fail any test.

Jones tested positive for a steroid. He was six times over the normal limit. Ripped Fuel would not put an athlete that far over the limit.

Jones tested positive for an anabolic steroid. Jones's promoter first blamed a nasal decongestant and then Jones blamed Ripped Fuel - neither was proven.

Jones is a drugs cheat - like it or not.


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Post by Nico the gman Sat 13 Feb 2016, 11:40 am

Steffan wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Steffan wrote:Carl Froch - Great or Not?

The guy is not great

He's a "4 time world champion" that fought in front of 80,000 people at Wembley !!!
Yes Truss, but Froch had the audacity to call out Calzaghe and criticize him, so regardless of what he did in the ring, it means in Wales he can't be classed as great, you know the score.
Truss was being sarcastic. Not that you would be able to understand that...

Truss has stated before the only fighters from Britain that he rates as as great over the last 20 years are Calzaghe, Naz and Lennox
You would know all about sarcasm Steffan, you try to be the master of it but fall well short. Lowest form of wit so the saying goes, but I wouldn't understand that either.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat 13 Feb 2016, 12:07 pm

Wilfred Benitez- Not great, lot of early promise and a few really good wins but his star shone bright for far too short a time to be considered great.

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Post by Atila Sat 13 Feb 2016, 12:45 pm

Kostya Tszyu. Not a great for me but built into one by Hatton fans.

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Post by Baby faced assassin Sat 13 Feb 2016, 12:54 pm

Erik Morales?

Cracking wars with manny and MAB but came up a little short in both

One of my favourite fighters tho so a great imo.....but only just
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Post by catchweight Sat 13 Feb 2016, 12:57 pm

Klitschko (both) = not great

Vitali the better of the two though.

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Post by Steffan Sat 13 Feb 2016, 10:42 pm

Nico the gman wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Steffan wrote:Carl Froch - Great or Not?

The guy is not great

He's a "4 time world champion" that fought in front of 80,000 people at Wembley !!!
Yes Truss, but Froch had the audacity to call out Calzaghe and criticize him, so regardless of what he did in the ring, it means in Wales he can't be classed as great, you know the score.
Truss was being sarcastic. Not that you would be able to understand that...

Truss has stated before the only fighters from Britain that he rates as as great over the last 20 years are Calzaghe, Naz and Lennox
You would know all about sarcasm Steffan, you try to be the master of it but fall well short. Lowest form of wit so the saying goes, but I wouldn't understand that either.
No you wouldn't...

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Post by Nico the gman Mon 15 Feb 2016, 8:26 am

Steffan wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:
Steffan wrote:
Nico the gman wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Steffan wrote:Carl Froch - Great or Not?

The guy is not great

He's a "4 time world champion" that fought in front of 80,000 people at Wembley !!!
Yes Truss, but Froch had the audacity to call out Calzaghe and criticize him, so regardless of what he did in the ring, it means in Wales he can't be classed as great, you know the score.
Truss was being sarcastic. Not that you would be able to understand that...

Truss has stated before the only fighters from Britain that he rates as as great over the last 20 years are Calzaghe, Naz and Lennox
You would know all about sarcasm Steffan, you try to be the master of it but fall well short. Lowest form of wit so the saying goes, but I wouldn't understand that either.
No you wouldn't...

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Yes its unfortunate I'm not as streetwise as yourself.

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