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Post by BoxingFan88 on Wed 12 Oct 2016, 10:45 pm

Does anyone care about garcia anymore?

He clearly doesnt care about legacy

Think vargas is rated 23rd by wbc and last year got stopped by Spence in 4 rounds

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 8:35 am

Probably the most over-rated champion and luckiest champion ive known in the ring since watching boxing.

Remember watching his 1st Morales fight thinking "this guy is poor".

Gets his head boxed off by Khan for 4 rounds........Peterson out pointed him handily.....Avoids the Matthysse rematch and has since after those fights fought nobody and never will again.

Nobody cares about him anymore - as soon as he fights a world ranked fighter he loses.

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Post by Pedro147 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 9:08 am

I've never even heard of Samuel Vargas

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Post by hazharrison on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 9:41 am

Why fight someone good when you can fight someone like Salka for big money?

A direct result of Haymon paying fighters over the odds for squash matches.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 10:10 am

Gets his head boxed off by Khan for 4 rounds? Did he not floor Kahn in the 3rd and destroy him in the 4th?


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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 10:25 am

Yeah think 2 rounds is more accurate and he wasn't getting annihilated or anything

But he is just a joke

Apparently he has signed to fight thurman in the spring

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 10:27 am

He has a couple of good wins. Beat Lucas, when many were predicting he would lose badly.

Though he struggled badly with Peterson.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 10:48 am

Been navigating his way around the dangermen since his win over Matthysse been very fortunate to be around in the Haymon era(Haymon squandering millions of other people's money) getting inflated purses for sub par matchups. Been under strong pressure from Haymon to face Thurman but needed this one to shake off some rust another fight with someone ranked outside the top fifteen for a good payday Haymon please fuc£ off soon. A favourite of Haymon too for some reason hence those two funny decisions

Hopefully Haymon does fuc£ off soon and then only the top fighters giving fans the real fights get to earn the big purses

Garcia comes unstuck the moment he fights a Thurman, Spence, Porter or Brook etc even Bradley for me, if the Thurman fight doesn't come off early next year then the Garcias are frauds in my eyes Danny had a great win over Lucas really should now be testing himself against the best win lose or draw and stop with this game you can't really blame Angel though(spotted Haymon's profligacy early fair play) it's the fault of Haymon ultimately look at how few good fights happened the last eighteen months two years in the welterweight division when with a nice pool of talent it could have been something of a minor golden period or at least a very good period


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Post by milkyboy on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 11:17 am

The Matthysse win was an excellent performance, the Khan win was a great win.... He's not the first to be made to look silly by Khan for a few rounds, but ultimately he got the job done.

He's basically a solid decent all round fighter, but not exceptional at anything... And he has been given some very friendly judging which flatters his record.

I don't know if he's over-rated as I'm not aware anyone particularly rates him... Certainly I'd be shocked if he were to beat brook, Thurman, spence. Think most would be too.

... Even more shocked if he fought any of them!

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 11:20 am

I don't think he beats them guys. Though I would pick him to smash Khan again.

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Post by hazharrison on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 12:09 pm

He's becoming a bit of a poster boy for pi55ing away your career (along with the likes of Gray Russell Jr.).

Still, if he winds up healthy and rich as a result (and doesn't mind not being remembered) then fair play.


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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 12:17 pm

Would anyone be surprised if Garcia is made number 50 for Floyd??

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Post by milkyboy on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 12:29 pm

... Somebody's 0 has gotta go.

The perfect choice, Floyd would win blindfolded.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 12:29 pm

Easy money and probably do ok ppv buys.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 1:05 pm

AdamT wrote:Would anyone be surprised if Garcia is made number 50 for Floyd??

It would be such a mismatch - genuinely would be the equivalent of Brook vs Bizier/Dan or Garcia vs Salka.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 1:06 pm

To be fair Mayweather fought the likes of Hatton. So why not??

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 1:38 pm

Also remember that Garcia turned down a career high pay day of 8 million for a fight with Pacquiao

To face Samuel Vargas

Let that one sink in LMFAO

Fed up of boxers not taking on the best

Looks like Jacobs is going to duck GGG as well, ridiculous!!!


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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 1:40 pm

8 million to face Manny? Is that true?

Means he would of made more dollar than Manny, by the time Uncle Bob takes his 75%!!

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 1:41 pm

AdamT wrote:8 million to face Manny? Is that true?

Means he would of made more dollar than Manny, by the time Uncle Bob takes his 75%!!

Hahaha

but yeah, they offered Garcia 8 million

He thought he was worth more, or he didn't want Pacquiao to whoop his backside

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 1:42 pm

Pacquaio is done. Though he would still beat Garcia.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 1:45 pm

Why didn't Pacquaio or Roach want Crawford?? They definitely took the soft option in Vargas. Very Floyd like move.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 2:03 pm

Pacman would still beat Garcia even given the form factor.

Id say Hatton batters Garcia.....Ricky would too.

Nah but seriously - would like to see Garcia fight Thurman/Spence/Brook - He wouldnt fare well in my eyes, but at least he tested himself against the cream of the crop at Welter.

Wasnt Crawford chasing him at LWW?!

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 2:04 pm

Crawford would destroy Garcia.

To be honest, I think Errol Spence beats anyone around Welterweight.

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Post by mobilemaster8 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 2:05 pm

Yeh I agree - really really rate Spence - looks a fantastic talent

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 2:06 pm

He really does look fantastic. Hope he gets the likes of Brook or Thurman. I think he would really do a number on them.


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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 5:35 pm

Crawford is at 140 and doesn't want to move up

Ducking???

LMFAO

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Post by hazharrison on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 7:09 pm

Looks like Garcia is being lined up for Thurman in March.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 7:35 pm

Easy points win for horsehair unless Garcia lands the big one I'll believe it when I see it though should have happened eighteen months ago when everyone was calling for it but Angel dismissed it out of hand no regard for the fans at all

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 7:43 pm

Crawford would best Pacquiao now.

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 7:44 pm

I think Thurman, but Garcia isn't bad. He is a live dog.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 8:03 pm

He's a decent boxer Garcia you don't do a number on Matthysse without being a good fighter(and a little bit of help from mr brown envelopes tony weeks)

But the cherry picking is there for all to see suggests he lacks confidence in his own ability or if it's Angel doing the picking then Angel maybe deep down doesn't rate Danny as much as he makes out

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 8:48 pm

AdamT wrote:Crawford would best Pacquiao now.

Based on what?

Crawford struggled badly with Gamboa

Pacquiao is bigger, much faster and hits a lot harder

If the Pacquiao that beat Bradley shows up, Pacquiao takes him

What is Crawford gonna do, stay on the outside like he did against Postol and try and win a decision throwing a couple of punches a round?

Remember what Pacquiao did to the last 140 pounder he fought

I don't think Crawford has shown us enough to prove that he is good enough even for a faded Pacquiao

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Post by AdamT on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 9:26 pm

How do you think Pacquiao does against Spence??


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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 9:52 pm

Give Spence a punchers chance

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Post by catchweight on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 10:17 pm

I think Matthyse ruined him a bit as a fighter. After that fight I think he and his father lost their stomach for the sport somewhat and kinda thought right lets never do that again. Happy to make safe money and fly under the radar.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 13 Oct 2016, 10:53 pm

You are exactly right catchweight

Apparently he was passing blood for a week after it

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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 9:28 am

BoxingFan88 wrote:Give Spence a punchers chance

Punchers chance?

I would favour Spence over everyone, apart from Floyd.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 10:46 am

AdamT wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:Give Spence a punchers chance

Punchers chance?

I would favour Spence over everyone, apart from Floyd.

So if he can't stop Pacquiao you think he outboxes him?

If I was betting on that fight I would go

Pacquiao to win

Hedged against Spence by KO

Pacquiao's speed should not be under estimated here

Also Pacquiao loves fighters that come forward, most people who try to come forward against Pacquiao realise its a BAD idea and promptly revert to survival mode

Mosely did it
Cotto did it
Algeiri did it
Rios did it

Once they feel the power and the speed, they don't want to know

If Vargas attempts to fight Pacquiao he will get knocked out as well


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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 10:53 am

BoxingFan88 wrote:
AdamT wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:Give Spence a punchers chance

Punchers chance?

I would favour Spence over everyone, apart from Floyd.

So if he can't stop Pacquiao you think he outboxes him?

Yeah why not. He doesn't outbox a younger Manny. Manny is good, but he isn't Floyd standard

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 10:55 am

AdamT wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:
AdamT wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:Give Spence a punchers chance

Punchers chance?

I would favour Spence over everyone, apart from Floyd.

So if he can't stop Pacquiao you think he outboxes him?

Yeah why not. He doesn't outbox a younger Manny. Manny is good, but he isn't Floyd standard

I don't think you realise how good of a boxer Pacquiao is

His speed kills and his angles and footwork are top notch

Its not easy to hit him either

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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 10:57 am

I do. He is good, but far inferior to Floyd. Both men are over the hill, so would give Spence a good shot at beating Manny.

Marquez hit him often.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 11:25 am

AdamT wrote:I do. He is good, but far inferior to Floyd. Both men are over the hill, so would give Spence a good shot at beating Manny.

Marquez hit him often.

Marquez is his bogey man, most people have one, just because Marquez can, doesn't mean everyone can

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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 11:43 am

Floyd did as well. Is he is bogey man as well?

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 11:47 am

AdamT wrote:Floyd did as well. Is he is bogey man as well?

Not going down that road again and according to you Floyd is the greatest ever

So getting hit by Floyd isn't exactly showing he is easy to hit either, doesn't he have the highest hit % as calculated by compubox

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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 11:48 am

BoxingFan88 wrote:
AdamT wrote:Floyd did as well. Is he is bogey man as well?

Not going down that road again and according to you Floyd is the greatest ever

So getting hit by Floyd isn't exactly showing he is easy to hit either, doesn't he have the highest hit % as calculated by compubox

He isn't the greatest ever. He is better than Manny.

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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 11:49 am

Also before I'm accused of bringing Floyd into this, you did mention Pacquaio once again.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 12:00 pm

AdamT wrote:Why didn't Pacquaio or Roach want Crawford?? They definitely took the soft option in Vargas. Very Floyd like move.

Did I?

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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 12:02 pm

BoxingFan88 wrote:
AdamT wrote:Why didn't Pacquaio or Roach want Crawford?? They definitely took the soft option in Vargas. Very Floyd like move.

Did I?

Of course!

Read your first post Very Happy

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Post by AdamT on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 12:04 pm

Doesn't matter. I'm Floyd obsessed and your a serious Pactard. It's all good.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 14 Oct 2016, 12:52 pm

AdamT wrote:Doesn't matter. I'm Floyd obsessed and your a serious Pactard. It's all good.

Flomo and Pactard

I'm neither though but yeah its all good

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