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Post by Pedro147 on Thu 17 Nov 2016, 4:17 pm

I didn't even know this was on, not a bad little card in fairness.

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/george-groves-fight-time-date-venue-tv-channel-undercard-and-more-2/

George Groves fight time plus date and venue

Super-middleweight contender George Groves continues his path toward a fourth world title shot with a 12 round contest against Eduard Gutknecht at Wembley Arena on Friday (November 18). Highly ranked by the WBA, Groves is hoping for a chance at their vacant title, but must get past former world title challenger Gutknecht first.

Rounds scheduled

12 three minute rounds.

TV coverage

Channel 5 televise in the UK. Their coverage begins at 10pm.

Undercard highlights

Middleweight prospect Conrad Cummings steps up his level of opposition against Ronny Mittag over 12 rounds. British flyweight champion Andrew Selby takes on Jake Bornea in a 12-round non-title fight and welterweights Paddy Gallagher and Tamuka Mucha face off in an interesting clash.

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Post by hazharrison on Thu 17 Nov 2016, 7:32 pm

Worth it for Gallagher vs Mucha (I'll take the latter in that one).

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Thu 17 Nov 2016, 9:17 pm

Really looking forward to it, I'm a huge Groves fan

It sort of slipped under the radar with the Ward vs Kovalev fight this weekend, but it should be a good night of action

shame they aren't showing the undercard in full, some really good fights on there

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Post by sittingringside on Thu 17 Nov 2016, 11:23 pm

Long live boxing on terrestrial. Looking forward to seeing how Groves looks, as there's potentially big fights for him with either Jack or Degale, not necessarily the winner either.

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Post by alanqlm on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 1:05 am

Having trained with Gallagher safe to say I'll be watching this with interest. His knock out in the last outing will have him oozing confidence.

Looking forward to seeing if Groves can kick on from his first half decent showing since Froch.

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Post by theanimal316 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:11 am

The undercard is on Spike tv tonight (Sky 160) Very Happy . Looking forward to this one!

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Post by milkyboy on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:37 am

don't know a lot about gallagher or mucha about mucha. Except one lost to Ochieng and one beat him. I've seen snippets of mucha, fast hands crude footwork was my initial take, but interested to try and catch this one if I can.

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Post by huw on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:39 am

Thanks for the heads up, always seem to miss the C5 shows due to never knowing they are on.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 1:26 pm

Oh cool I'll be checking the undercard as well!!

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Post by marty2086 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 4:42 pm

alanqlm wrote:Having trained with Gallagher safe to say I'll be watching this with interest. His knock out in the last outing will have him oozing confidence.

Looking forward to seeing if Groves can kick on from his first half decent showing since Froch.

Gallagher is looking like a different fighter in the last year, it was actually a year ago this weekend he fought Bartenek in Belfast

Still one of the funniest knockdowns I have ever seen

https://metavideos.com/video/48165156/checkout-this-stunning-knockdown-of-tomas-bartunek-by-paddy

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 10:27 pm

Groves looks sharp...Impressive first round....

Looks a class above.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 10:32 pm

Gutknecht is your typical European plodder...

Comfort zone....

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Post by Pedro147 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 10:33 pm

Groves looking very ragged already.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 10:57 pm

8-0 Groves....

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Post by milkyboy on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:05 pm

Groves has got sharper as the fight's gone on. Looks good letting his hands go, but still ships too much leather for my liking. Won this by a landslide though.

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Post by Happytravelling on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:09 pm

Groves defence on the ropes is worrying and really didn't cut the ring down well.

Won this comfortably but can't help thinking that if he had sustained his attacks in the last third of the fight the ref would have stopped it.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:14 pm

If there is a hard way to do something...

Groves will find it..

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Post by Happytravelling on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:23 pm

I don't think he's as bad as Degale for making hard work of fights once he's done the hard work, but he did seem to struggle to know how to put the lad away.

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Post by 88Chris05 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:26 pm

Was a bit concerned about how Groves looked in the first three rounds, and a bit of the fourth until he buzzed Gutknecht properly for the first time. Picked up his game well as the fight progressed, though. Close enough to a shutout with some really nice stuff in rounds eight and eleven in particular.

With the dodgy start combined with the much better ending, and factoring in that Gutknecht is very, very limited, I'd say this performance was pretty much par for the course. Groves still doesn't look as quick or elusive as he did three years ago, for me - he was getting his head rocked back with the jab a lot in the opening rounds and he still hasn't developed a real inside game, albeit he didn't need one here. He's still got that cracking jab of his own to make up for that, and the fact that he looked fresh after twelve rounds is encouraging as well. But I'm still not convinced he'll be able to do that against a guy with more variety and who can actually punish him consistently for his porous defence.

Doesn't seem to be hitting with as much authority as I thought he'd be at this stage of his career, but that comes with the caveats that a) Gutknecht is tough and very durable, so no shame in not stopping him, and b) it might not be a bad thing in a strange way, as Groves has looked a bit too in love with his power in the past couple of years or so and has neglected his overall game as a result. If he goes back to concentrating on his ability to put punches together, control the range with his jab and let the knockouts come to him rather than going desperately looking for them, it'll be better for him in the long run.

I'm not yet convinced he's fully recaptured his pre-80,000 people at Wembley Stadium form (or, if you'd prefer, if he's actually good enough to be a dominant player at 168), but we'll get the answer in 2017, I guess.
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Post by BoxingFan88 on Fri 18 Nov 2016, 11:49 pm

Thought groves looked really good

Took a bit of time to get his range but then he just bashes him up

Groves jab and right hand are just awesome that jab is a power punch

Groves looks vunerable on the ropes but you try and go after him and get cracked

On another note Selby is so talented!!! Awesome to watch and has amazing foot speed

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Post by hazharrison on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 1:49 am

I agree with Chris - Groves looks a shadow of what he was. DeGale will take him to the cleaners.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 8:20 am

Don't think he fights Degale...Early call but I think Smith will beat both of them....Degale first after Jack.

Looks huge at the weight...Good dig and a quality body puncher. ..

Think he's special..

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Post by hazharrison on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 9:17 am

He hasn't fought a live body - I suspect he doesn't hold a good shot. Don't recall many fighters of his build who did.

DeGale vs Groves 2 is bound to happen and James will demolish him. Sad to see the decline of Groves - really odd.

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 9:36 am

A agree. Don't think Groves looks as sharp as he did, pre froch. Although he is certainly better under Mcguigan. Fitzpatrick was a big mistake and took a few years out his career.

I can see where truss is coming from. Smith looks like he could be dominant. Still need to see him fight at the top level to be convinced.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 9:56 am

You can tell someone has the goods without beating a live body..

After all Mugabi was a top win for Hagler without ever beating one according to Haz....

Not that Haz God forbid has double standards.. Wink

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Post by Pedro147 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 10:26 am

Groves' opponent was taken to hospital after collapsing, hopefully he's ok.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/george-groves-opponent-eduard-gutknecht-9288767

Eduard Gutknecht was rushed to hospital following his defeat by George Groves at Wembley on Friday night.

The German was badly beaten during the WBA International Super-Middleweight contest, which he lost via a unanimous points decision at Wembley Arena.

And the 34-year-old collapsed in his changing room shortly after the fight and was immediately carried to an ambulance on a stretcher.

It is reported by the Daily Mail that Gutknecht needed resuscitating in the emergency vehicle after he “briefly stopped breathing and was drifting in and out of consciousness”.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 11:17 am

Let's hope he's okay..

He has very little defence the guy...

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Post by Happytravelling on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 11:38 am

Yes, hope he's OK and wish him the best.

I agree truss, about seeing a fighter has what it takes without seeing the top opposition, yet. Smith does look destined for a world strap but still think size has been a major advantage and the better fighters will negate it. I'm almost on your side on this, just need a little more convincing.

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Post by Valero's Conscience on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 1:42 pm

Wishing a full and swift recovery for Gutknecht.

Back to the fight, Groves shows glimpses of world level ability but always something that makes you nervous with him, Story of his career really.

Gutknecht is Euro level on his very best day and shows the risk of putting him in a fight he was never going to win.

Reminds me of Blackwell vs Eubank. Both Blackwell and Gutknecht don't have the skill to win against the top guys but have the chin to take unhealthy levels of punishment.

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Post by Jermaine2015 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 3:59 pm

When has DeGale ever 'destroyed' anybody? He fights for 60secs of each round and unlike Bernard Hopkins, isn't capable of spoiling or avoid getting pinned on the ropes. Groves beats DeGale with something to spare.

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Post by BoxingFan88 on Sat 19 Nov 2016, 6:06 pm

He destroyed dirrell for 30 seconds....


On a serious note he did crush Periban and some guy on a Wembley show

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