Fighter of the Year 2016

by hazharrison Tue 6 Dec - 20:59

Slim pickings this year - I'm thinking:

• Carl Frampton
• Terrence Crawford
• Roman Gonzalez
• Andre Ward
• Sergey Kovalev

Frampton for me - but I bet Ward gets it.

- 2008: Manny Pacquiao (Boxing Writers Association of America, Ring Magazine, BoxingScene.com)
- 2009: Manny Pacquiao (BWAA, Ring, BoxingScene)
- 2010: Sergio Martinez (BWAA, Ring, BoxingScene)
- 2011: Andre Ward (BWAA, Ring, BoxingScene)
- 2012: Nonito Donaire (BWAA, BoxingScene), Juan Manuel Marquez (Ring)
- 2013: Floyd Mayweather Jr. (BWAA), Adonis Stevenson (Ring, BoxingScene)
- 2014: Terence Crawford (BWAA), Sergey Kovalev (Ring), Naoya Inoue (BoxingScene)
- 2015: Floyd Mayweather Jr. (BWAA, BoxingScene), Tyson Fury (Ring)

by AdamT Tue 6 Dec - 21:02

Carl Frampton all the way.

by Pedro147 Tue 6 Dec - 22:02

Lomachenko maybe in with a shout too? Went up to win his second world title at a higher weight in only his seventh fight and then defended his title and took away his opponent's 0. Frampton probably still favourite but Loma in with a shout I think.

by AdamT Tue 6 Dec - 22:05

I don't think Frampton will win it. Lomachenko is a decent shout.

If Ward had of won with no controversy he would have a good chance.

To be honest Gonzalez might get it. Not his best year, but another year undefeated and is seen by many as the best p4p.

by EX7EY Tue 6 Dec - 23:07

Carl Frampton is a very good shout. OK his long awaited fight with Quigg wasn't the spectacle we had all hoped but he got the job done. And then to move up to Featherweight and go to the US and take that title off LSC, very very impressive

by BoxingFan88 Tue 6 Dec - 23:38

AdamT wrote:I don't think Frampton will win it. Lomachenko is a decent shout.

If Ward had of won with no controversy he would have a good chance.

To be honest Gonzalez might get it. Not his best year, but another year undefeated and is seen by many as the best p4p.

Ward only had one good win this year though

Frampton has to be

Beat Quigg then moved up and beat Santa Cruz, both undefeated

by AdamT Tue 6 Dec - 23:41

Will it be enough for Frampton??

I hope it is. He is my favourite fighter and not just because he is from the same country. I think he is a classy fighter and usually in exciting fights.

by BoxingFan88 Tue 6 Dec - 23:44

AdamT wrote:Will it be enough for Frampton??

I hope it is. He is my favourite fighter and not just because he is from the same country. I think he is a classy fighter and usually in exciting fights.

It should be, I can't think of anyone else who has those kind of wins

I mean not fighting Rigondeaux isn't going to help, but I think they will look past that

by Valero's Conscience Tue 6 Dec - 23:46

Frampton surely. Taking 0's and belts off two champions in two weight divisions - fantastic achievement!

by BoxingFan88 Wed 7 Dec - 1:56

Valero's Conscience wrote:Frampton surely. Taking 0's and belts off two champions in two weight divisions - fantastic achievement!

Yeah going on the road to do it as well!

He fought in Quigg's back yard, which I totally forgot

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 7 Dec - 2:07

To put it into some context though, neither Quigg or Santa Cruz were the best at their weights, both solid fighters but not exactly Rigondeaux, Lomachenko or Russell Jnr.

by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 7 Dec - 2:41

Lousy year....

Frampton for me..

by Herman Jaeger Wed 7 Dec - 3:00

Kovalev

by AdamT Wed 7 Dec - 3:01

Herman Jaeger wrote:Kovalev

by Herman Jaeger Wed 7 Dec - 3:08

lol Frampton's a good shout though

by BoxingFan88 Wed 7 Dec - 3:19

Hammersmith harrier wrote:To put it into some context though, neither Quigg or Santa Cruz were the best at their weights, both solid fighters but not exactly Rigondeaux, Lomachenko or Russell Jnr.

Good point, but still solid wins

by AdamT Wed 7 Dec - 3:20

BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:To put it into some context though, neither Quigg or Santa Cruz were the best at their weights, both solid fighters but not exactly Rigondeaux, Lomachenko or Russell Jnr.

How was Quigg not at his best weight

He means Quigg and Santa Cruz were not the real best fighters in each division. Frampton didn't take the toughest challenge.

by BoxingFan88 Wed 7 Dec - 3:20

AdamT wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:To put it into some context though, neither Quigg or Santa Cruz were the best at their weights, both solid fighters but not exactly Rigondeaux, Lomachenko or Russell Jnr.

How was Quigg not at his best weight

He means Quigg and Santa Cruz were not the real best fighters in each division. Frampton didn't take the toughest challenge.

Yep I realised I can't read

Its late.... Doh

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 6:40

BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:To put it into some context though, neither Quigg or Santa Cruz were the best at their weights, both solid fighters but not exactly Rigondeaux, Lomachenko or Russell Jnr.
Good point, but still solid wins

While neither were rated the best in their respective divisions, Frampton's win over LSC has made him the number one ranked featherweight in the world with TBRB (Lomachenko had already moved, and while Russell is rated first with Ring, LSC is surely the better fighter of the two).

Two excellent results against one of the top two fighters in the two divisions he's campaigned in this year (and two of his main rivals who were slap bang in their primes).

by catchweight Wed 7 Dec - 6:55

Frampton all the way. Both wins on the road as well. One as a reasonable underdog.

by Mr Bounce Wed 7 Dec - 8:29

Crawford's done well this year

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 7 Dec - 8:42

Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 9:16

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

But not a better all round fighter.

by BoxingFan88 Wed 7 Dec - 9:16

Hammersmith harrier wrote:Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

Why has he been so inactive, I love watching him fight....

by BoxingFan88 Wed 7 Dec - 9:17

hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

But not a better all round fighter.

If LSC and Gary Russell Jr fought, you wouldn't pick Gary Russell Jr?

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 9:18

BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

Why has he been so inactive, I love watching him fight....

Overpaid by Haymon - doesn't need to fight often.

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 9:20

BoxingFan88 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

But not a better all round fighter.

If LSC and Gary Russell Jr fought, you wouldn't pick Gary Russell Jr?

I'd pick LSC.

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 7 Dec - 9:23

BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

Why has he been so inactive, I love watching him fight....

There's a clear gap between the two, not wanting to deride Framptons victory too much but LSC has an engine but very little else.

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 9:25

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:
Hammersmith harrier wrote:Gary Russell Jnr is a better boxer than LSC.

Why has he been so inactive, I love watching him fight....

There's a clear gap between the two, not wanting to deride Framptons victory too much but LSC has an engine but very little else.

A clear gap? Russell has had one major fight and Loma beat the cra p out of him. LSC far more seasoned and well rounded. He'd take Russell. Oscar Valdez probably would, too (as would Frampton).

Russell fought soft opposition on way up and barely fights.

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 7 Dec - 9:28

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I'll pass I think.

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 9:44

Weird how you managed to follow the thread!

Another losing argument there. LSC has much the better record and is the better fighter of the two as a result.

by BoxingFan88 Wed 7 Dec - 18:55

hazharrison wrote:Weird how you managed to follow the thread!

Another losing argument there. LSC has much the better record and is the better fighter of the two as a result.

Not at featherweight though....

I mean LSC best win is Mares, Mares got startched in one round against Gonzalez and Russell Jr played with Gonzalez...

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 20:31

BoxingFan88 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:Weird how you managed to follow the thread!

Another losing argument there. LSC has much the better record and is the better fighter of the two as a result.

Not at featherweight though....

I mean LSC best win is Mares, Mares got startched in one round against Gonzalez and Russell Jr played with Gonzalez...

Neither have done a lot at 126 to be fair but the suggestion was Russell was the better boxer - which is different from arguing he has better wins at 126. Styles make fights: Mares was cold-cocked and hasn't been the same since. Gonzalez struggles with speed.

by AdamT Wed 7 Dec - 20:46

Frampton is getting better every fight. He won't beat Lomachenko types, but Frampton is top class.

Love watching the wee man fight. His footwork, his angles. Boxing on the backfoot, or standing to trade. He can do it all.

by Hammersmith harrier Wed 7 Dec - 21:07

BoxingFan88 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:Weird how you managed to follow the thread!

Another losing argument there. LSC has much the better record and is the better fighter of the two as a result.

Not at featherweight though....

I mean LSC best win is Mares, Mares got startched in one round against Gonzalez and Russell Jr played with Gonzalez...

Too much stock is placed on a boxers record; from what I've seen of them Russell Jr is the better pure boxer, his handspeed is ridiculous and it's testament Lomachenko's ability that he won comfortably.

by Dylan1979 Wed 7 Dec - 22:36

Carl Frampton

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 22:52

AdamT wrote:Frampton is getting better every fight. He won't beat Lomachenko types, but Frampton is top class.

Love watching the wee man fight. His footwork, his angles. Boxing on the backfoot, or standing to trade. He can do it all.

He's the only guy around at the minute I'm a huge fan of. I don't think he'll get a decision in Jan, though. Can smell it.

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 22:54

Hammersmith harrier wrote:
BoxingFan88 wrote:
hazharrison wrote:Weird how you managed to follow the thread!

Another losing argument there. LSC has much the better record and is the better fighter of the two as a result.

Not at featherweight though....

I mean LSC best win is Mares, Mares got startched in one round against Gonzalez and Russell Jr played with Gonzalez...

Too much stock is placed on a boxers record; from what I've seen of them Russell Jr is the better pure boxer, his handspeed is ridiculous and it's testament Lomachenko's ability that he won comfortably.

What a ridiculous statement. Yeah, don't worry about a guy's record - as long as they have flashy jazz hands!

(Good thing is he can't see these responses - so won't have his usual s*** fit).

by AdamT Wed 7 Dec - 23:07

hazharrison wrote:
AdamT wrote:Frampton is getting better every fight. He won't beat Lomachenko types, but Frampton is top class.

Love watching the wee man fight. His footwork, his angles. Boxing on the backfoot, or standing to trade. He can do it all.

He's the only guy around at the minute I'm a huge fan of. I don't think he'll get a decision in Jan, though. Can smell it.

I predicted the same earlier. If the fight is anyway close, I think Santa Cruz will take it.

Rubber match next year if that's the case. Though you get the feeling, Frampton will just have to hit and move more. Don't trade with the guy. LSC will happily take a few, to land a few more.

Anyway, I can't wait to see this fight!

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 23:23

AdamT wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
AdamT wrote:Frampton is getting better every fight. He won't beat Lomachenko types, but Frampton is top class.

Love watching the wee man fight. His footwork, his angles. Boxing on the backfoot, or standing to trade. He can do it all.

He's the only guy around at the minute I'm a huge fan of. I don't think he'll get a decision in Jan, though. Can smell it.

I predicted the same earlier. If the fight is anyway close, I think Santa Cruz will take it.

Rubber match next year if that's the case. Though you get the feeling, Frampton will just have to hit and move more. Don't trade with the guy. LSC will happily take a few, to land a few more.

Anyway, I can't wait to see this fight!

I just think LSC will be more at home in Vegas than in NY (not in terms of climate or anything - just that he's fought there so many times previously).

I'm in Belfast that weekend for my birthday but don't think it's on anywhere (no casinos over there).

by AdamT Wed 7 Dec - 23:30

there are bound to be some bars or hotels showing the fight late in Belfast. Belfast is a good city for a drink. I worked there for a couple years, miss the place!

by hazharrison Wed 7 Dec - 23:32

AdamT wrote:there are bound to be some bars or hotels showing the fight late in Belfast. Belfast is a good city for a drink. I worked there for a couple years, miss the place!

Apparently they all close at 3 am. Mind you, by that time I'll be asleep in a bus shelter.

by AdamT Wed 7 Dec - 23:34

hazharrison wrote:
AdamT wrote:there are bound to be some bars or hotels showing the fight late in Belfast. Belfast is a good city for a drink. I worked there for a couple years, miss the place!

Apparently they all close at 3 am. Mind you, by that time I'll be asleep in a bus shelter.

Last time I was there, I went looking for a bus home at 3am. Found my way to the station blocked! You would think. I would of known that buses and trains are not 24 hours!

by alanqlm Thu 8 Dec - 1:45

hazharrison wrote:
AdamT wrote:there are bound to be some bars or hotels showing the fight late in Belfast. Belfast is a good city for a drink. I worked there for a couple years, miss the place!

Apparently they all close at 3 am. Mind you, by that time I'll be asleep in a bus shelter.

There's a bar in Belfast that's usually pretty good at showing late shows. They get a late license for a lot of the PPV stuff. I'd imagine they will be showing the fight that night. I'm hoping to go to the fight but I'll check with them and see if they will be showing it.

by hazharrison Thu 8 Dec - 2:09

alanqlm wrote:
hazharrison wrote:
AdamT wrote:there are bound to be some bars or hotels showing the fight late in Belfast. Belfast is a good city for a drink. I worked there for a couple years, miss the place!

Apparently they all close at 3 am. Mind you, by that time I'll be asleep in a bus shelter.

There's a bar in Belfast that's usually pretty good at showing late shows. They get a late license for a lot of the PPV stuff. I'd imagine they will be showing the fight that night. I'm hoping to go to the fight but I'll check with them and see if they will be showing it.

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