Super Rugby 2017 Season

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The Blues went to Melbourne and smashed the Rebels 18-56. The Rebels led something like 12-3 after about 25 minutes then just started turning the ball over and got blown away.

Rieko Ioane scored a hat trick of tries. He and his brother Akira have looked good prospects for a while.

Biltong wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Biltong wrote:The unfortunate issue is when you find yourself in a compromising position where you can injure a player the responsibility is yours to avoid contact at all cost.

Intent is not measured in these collisions with players being in the air.

The law states you are responsible for the player in the air. It is what it is.

I too feel sorry for Kwagga Smith as he isnot a dirty player, he found himself in a position where he was responsible and whether he could get out of the way or not is not the issue.

 Isnt that the very nub of these decisions, over the next year or two red cards are going to become very common yet at the same time we know they are not for instances of foul play, perhaps Rugby has to look for other alternatives to the Health and wellbeing of the players other than using foul play legislation and sanctions.

Yes I agree, saw someone suggest 20 minutes for a red card, another suggestion was penalise the player not the team.

Alternatively they must find a way to seperate foul play incidents from "accidental" ones.

But how do you ascertain intent?

 And in turn I agree with you Sir...

 In instances of Foul play a player should be dismissed from the field..

 In instances of these accidental collisions; Dismiss  the player (For poor technique) but let him be replaced off the bench after a period of time.that way we are not killing the contest.

A few years back we only used to see a red card every couple of seasons, now we see one every couple of games.

 Unless you are a mind reader there are very few times where you can measure intent, thats why in criminal law you come back to having to show 'mens Rea' and we just have to live with the fact that every now and then a murderer gets away with manslaughter, but he isnt wrongly convicted of murder. We have to remember that the people who write the laws of Rugby arent all that smart.

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Biltong wrote:

aucklandlaurie wrote:

Biltong wrote:The unfortunate issue is when you find yourself in a compromising position where you can injure a player the responsibility is yours to avoid contact at all cost.

Intent is not measured in these collisions with players being in the air.

The law states you are responsible for the player in the air. It is what it is.

I too feel sorry for Kwagga Smith as he isnot a dirty player, he found himself in a position where he was responsible and whether he could get out of the way or not is not the issue.

 Isnt that the very nub of these decisions, over the next year or two red cards are going to become very common yet at the same time we know they are not for instances of foul play, perhaps Rugby has to look for other alternatives to the Health and wellbeing of the players other than using foul play legislation and sanctions.

Yes I agree, saw someone suggest 20 minutes for a red card, another suggestion was penalise the player not the team.

Alternatively they must find a way to seperate foul play incidents from "accidental" ones.

But how do you ascertain intent?

 And in turn I agree with you Sir...

 In instances of Foul play a player should be dismissed from the field..

 In instances of these accidental collisions; Dismiss  the player (For poor technique) but let him be replaced off the bench after a period of time.that way we are not killing the contest.

A few years back we only used to see a red card every couple of seasons, now we see one every couple of games.

 Unless you are a mind reader there are very few times where you can measure intent, thats why in criminal law you come back to having to show 'mens Rea' and we just have to live with the fact that every now and then a murderer gets away with manslaughter, but he isnt wrongly convicted of murder. We have to remember that the people who write the laws of Rugby arent all that smart.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up