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Post by Holymiky Mon 25 Sep 2017, 2:07 pm

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Okay, so with the JAV2 League closing due to lack of pure interest and maybe some rules which people didn’t get along with, we have decided to close it.

We have been speaking on the Facebook chat (we need to divert it onto here) about an idea of just starting as basic of a league as possible however this will involve more money and will involve less people hopefully as i want to run it and if I am to do so, I ideally only want people to sign up if they know they are able to commit to it.

We are still talking about ideas of course but any suggestions will be welcome. At the moment I think we discussed a draft style start being given random players with a smaller squad and making it so that we still have something to build but with more money per game/voting week with more than one voter each week however I think the feeling was to revert back to older style leagues with opinions and a score from each voter but again, this is still to be discussed.

This topic is purely to generate interest, I will give everyone until the end of Thursday (Midnight) to decide if they want in or not. As previously mentioned, we only want people who are dedicated and willing to commit otherwise there is simply no point as harsh as it sounds.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 27 Sep 2017, 5:09 pm

Holymiky wrote:Others provided feedback trebs.

I mostly didnt because it was taking me an hour or an hour and a half to do results in fairness

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Post by Holymiky Wed 27 Sep 2017, 6:09 pm

I like those ideas I think 3 tps and releases is fine.

Anyone strongly against that?

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Post by Hero Wed 27 Sep 2017, 11:47 pm

I don't think personally there needs to be a restriction on them, did it affect the last league?

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Post by BamBam Thu 28 Sep 2017, 9:19 am

I think 3 TPs a week is too many personally

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Post by Trebs Thu 28 Sep 2017, 9:52 am

I agree with Bam. We don't want an immediate turnover of squad as people lose interest when they've got a squad they like.

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Post by Marky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 11:14 am

2 TP's, 2 releases I'd say.

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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 11:18 am

It didnt Hero but the money was extremely limited as well so I think as we are increasing money we should put a limit on it.

Im ok with 2 and 2, is there anyone who majorly disagrees with it?

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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 11:19 am

Or can everyone live with it..

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Post by Afro Thu 28 Sep 2017, 11:41 am

How about 2 TPs and 2 lawyers/releases (i.e. you get two lawyers, but don't accept 1/2 of them, you get to release instead).
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Post by Hero Thu 28 Sep 2017, 11:48 am

How about instead of a limit of TPs by number it's by cost instead?

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Post by BamBam Thu 28 Sep 2017, 12:01 pm

Fine with 2 and 2

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Post by BamBam Thu 28 Sep 2017, 12:02 pm

Hero just wants to sign more kindergarteners for his nursery

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Post by Afro Thu 28 Sep 2017, 12:21 pm

For me its more about slowing the turnover of numbers as much as value of player. Both are important imo
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Post by Fernando Thu 28 Sep 2017, 12:33 pm

Im happy either way.

Could limit prices to double their TM Value at time of purchase until end of season.

Also voting wise if Miky made a schedule and gave out games randomly might avoid people getting in hissy fits (Hero) Laugh

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Post by Afro Thu 28 Sep 2017, 2:45 pm

With voting, we can have a broad plan, but the definite plan probably depends on numbers.
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Post by Hero Thu 28 Sep 2017, 4:34 pm

I'm going to bow out this season, appreciate the rules are being put in place for the majority but pretty much all of them are against things I personally enjoy so I know from the off its not for me.

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Post by Afro Thu 28 Sep 2017, 4:38 pm

Nothing is set in stone though. At the moment, we are just discussing.

I'm not even sure I'm going to take part tbh, so I'd ignore my preferences for starters
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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 5:57 pm

Discuss in depth what you dont like Hero, surely you can join a league even if you dont lile the odd rule

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Post by Hero Thu 28 Sep 2017, 6:29 pm

I just feel it's overly restrictive from the off, limits on Player increases, limits on TPs, limits on releases, limits on voting etc

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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 6:59 pm

I know what you're saying but it's what we used to do most of the time before the last league.

I just agree with Afro that it could be ridiculous if people just turn over the squad in a day..

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Post by Afro Thu 28 Sep 2017, 6:59 pm

Of those I think the limit on player increases is the only really vital one. I could live without limits on TPs and releases.

Not sure what the limit on voting is, but I'd just like that to be simple and not time consuming.
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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 7:00 pm

It will make the draft pointless as well surely?

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Post by Marky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 8:07 pm

All of you are being morons. Just let Miky decide and stop moaning.

I think if Miky decides the rules, it's done. Then if you want in, join. If not, don't.

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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 8:21 pm

Hero if we compromise with 3 tps and 3 releases would you mind that? I'm trying to meet you somewhere as i don't think people were opposed to this either.

Voting we have to keep simple to keep interest, give it a season Hero and see how it goes? I'm fighting this hard because you are one of the most reliable so would be golden to have you involved man.

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Post by Fernando Thu 28 Sep 2017, 9:35 pm

I literally have zero care about what kind of league if have a decent voting system Ok!

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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 9:37 pm

The voting system i think that works well will be the one from the previous league which was the no scoreline style.

I think that feedback is also important.

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Post by Afro Thu 28 Sep 2017, 9:43 pm

Fernando wrote:I literally have zero care about what kind of league if have a decent voting system Ok!

I think I agree with this tbh. I normally do well with the stock broker style, so no skin off my nose, but I think others have had enough of success being determined only by your ability to buy and sell

Plus #hairlikedelealli of course
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Post by Holymiky Thu 28 Sep 2017, 10:21 pm

I'm gonna start losing my hair if we dont organise this soon Laugh

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Post by Trebs Fri 29 Sep 2017, 11:21 am

Do think there's a valid case for Miky/someone to just decide the rules and take charge then go from those rules.

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Post by Afro Fri 29 Sep 2017, 11:31 am

Agreed. We have gone the other extreme and there is too much decision by committee.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 29 Sep 2017, 11:45 am

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Post by Holymiky Fri 29 Sep 2017, 1:06 pm

Ill write something up later on, got too much to do today before im off next week, then can spend time next week organising the new league.

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Post by Holymiky Fri 29 Sep 2017, 1:35 pm

Im happy to take charge again..

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Post by Holymiky Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:10 am

Okay so the rules are going to be...

TM – Frozen Values once the players are in the squad until the end of the game season, this will be how they stay until they exit the team - it will help if people add the TM price to the page, i will start this off when i create teams.

Draft system initially with me fixing up squads to give out to people at random, i will need to build squads manually using the similar players from TM and then i will randomly assign them to members of the league.

200 word tactics (only including subs instructions and written instructions) - £1.5m for tactics each week

Votes – This will be the old system in which you can't give a draw. It will be decided on how many people give the win for each team and the score will be decided by this as well. You must give some feedback on why you voted the way you did and you will receive a bonus of £1.5m if you vote that week. We will do 2/3 voters per week depending on how many people sign up.

Transfers – I liked the idea of 3, but it seemed more people wanted 2 initially - Limit of 2 Foreign TP's per week, must be confirmed on the transfer confirmation page

Domestic transfers allowed of course - must be confirmed on the transfer confirmation page

Loans – Long term loans only, this will be more important further into the league I say we do either half a season loans or full season only..

Lawyers – 2 lawyers per week, lets do them both 10% above the frozen TM price.

Releases – Like transfers i was going to say 3 a week but i think we should just go with 2 to keep it all even on every input/output of the teams.

Injuries – 3 Injuries picked per week at random by random.org - If the same player is pulled out of the hat for the 3rd week, it will be redrawn.

One weekly Press conference and this will award £500k for your team.

Squad limit of 25

Them be the rules and I've done my part, sign up below if you want in, i will wipe the original post and only add if you post your interest from now on.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 02 Oct 2017, 8:42 am

One second - why can't you give a draw in votes??? Surely that defeats the whole object of voting if you take away one of the possible results?
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Post by Afro Mon 02 Oct 2017, 8:51 am

Mainly because it gave an easy option and people used to sit on the fence. The leagues used to have loads of draws.

But more so, its the way the voting works - 3 people vote, each picks their winner. It worked well in the last league due to its simplicity and ease, and we weren't waiting for people to do their votes every week.
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Post by Afro Mon 02 Oct 2017, 8:53 am

Here's the how it worked in the last league

3 managers vote on result – simple vote on who wins (no draws). Unanimous win gets +2 “goal difference”, split vote win gets +1 “goal difference”

No match scores or goalscorers.

League table decided by:
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 02 Oct 2017, 9:01 am

Ah ok I see how it works now - that makes sense tbf
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Post by Holymiky Mon 02 Oct 2017, 10:18 am

Anyone in?

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Post by Marky Mon 02 Oct 2017, 10:29 am

I'm in

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Mon 02 Oct 2017, 10:50 am

Marky wrote:I'm in

Now my dad is in, I shall be also
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Post by Afro Mon 02 Oct 2017, 11:09 am

I'm going to sit on the fence and say I'm going to sit it out, but if you have an even number and need one more, then I'll step up
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Post by Trebs Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:04 pm

I'll join if Afro joins but only if there's a prime number of managers.

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Post by Afro Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:19 pm

Trebs wrote:I'll join if Afro joins but only if there's a prime number of managers.

Is that a Prime number including or excluding yourself?
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Post by Holymiky Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:22 pm

So basically cos Afro is out you are out as well Trebs now? Laugh

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Post by Holymiky Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:24 pm

I must admit Afro, i'm a little disappointed, you were quite vocal in rules etc and i wanted you to join but i do respect the fact that you have decided not to join.

I was hoping that this version would bring back some veterans of the league such as yourself and Nando whilst keeping the ones who were around before (reliable ones) but it looks like it might have backfired and ends up being myself, Marky and Olly..

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Post by Afro Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:26 pm

Well, we are heading into a paradox. If you have an even number of managers, then I'll join, and subsequently so will Trebs, leaving us still with an even number. So I'll leave to take it back to an odd number, and so will Trebs.
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Post by Afro Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:27 pm

Holymiky wrote:I must admit Afro, i'm a little disappointed, you were quite vocal in rules etc and i wanted you to join but i do respect the fact that you have decided not to join.

I was hoping that this version would bring back some veterans of the league such as yourself and Nando whilst keeping the ones who were around before (reliable ones) but it looks like it might have backfired and ends up being myself, Marky and Olly..

Let's see how you do for numbers. I haven't ruled myself out entirely

BTW - the approach for the league is spot on for me, hence why I'm tempted in the first place
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Post by Holymiky Mon 02 Oct 2017, 12:29 pm

I hope that didn't make me sound rude, it wasn't meant like that, just geninely had a plan in my head of who i wanted in the league,. This was the plan..

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