Edinburgh vs Glasgow - Leg 1 (of 3) for the 1872 cup

by tigertattie Mon 18 Dec 2017, 9:05 pm

First topic message reminder :

Venue: Murrayfield Stadium Date: Saturday, 23 December Kick-off: 17:10 GMT
Coverage: Live on BBC Alba and BBC Radio Scotland

Its that time, and even with the bonkers decision to make this a 3 game series, we're all up for the start of the 1872 cup. One of the oldest and most prestigious club cups in world rugby

The form guide

Edinburgh last 6

15/12/2017 Euro Challenge Cup Pool 4
78 - 0 v Krasny Yar (h)

09/12/2017 Euro Challenge Cup Pool 4
50 - 20 v London Irish (h)

01/12/2017 Guinness PRO14
48 - 21 v Kings (a)

24/11/2017 Guinness PRO14
13 - 33 v Cheetahs (a)

04/11/2017 Guinness PRO14
37 - 10 v Ospreys (h)

28/10/2017 Guinness PRO14
24 - 13 v Benetton (a)

Glasgow last 6

16/12/2017 Champions Cup Pool 3
26 - 36 v Montpellier (a)

08/12/2017 Champions Cup Pool 3
22 - 29 v Montpellier (h)

01/12/2017 Guinness PRO14
40 - 16 v Cardiff Blues (h)

26/11/2017 Guinness PRO14
47 - 6 v Ospreys (a)

03/11/2017 Guinness PRO14
31 - 21 v Leinster (h)

27/10/2017 Guinness PRO14
43 - 13 v Kings (h)

Glasgow are on a 2 game losing streak but unbeaten in the Pro 14. Edinburgh are on a 3 game winning streak but havn't notched up the same number of wins in the league as Glasgow.

Will Edinburgh be the team to deny Glasgow their first unbeaten domestic run in the league going into the festive period?

1872 Cup form

Last 6

Glasgow 16–6 Edinburgh
Edinburgh20–8 Glasgow
Edinburgh 23–11 Glasgow
Glasgow 11–14 Edinburgh
Edinburgh 12–25 Glasgow
Glasgow 18–29 Edinburgh

Take what you want from this form. It seems that recently, the away team has been getting the win! However, despite Edinburgh being in a dark dark place for the last few years, they seem to come out on top when it comes to the 1872 cup winning 4 out of 6 of the last matches.

Teams up!

Edinburgh the Black and Red Army

15. Blair Kinghorn (55)
14. Dougie Fife (94)
13. James Johnstone (11)
12. Phil Bureligh (67)
11. Duhan van der Merwe (3)
10. Jaco van der Walt (3)
9. Sam Hidalgo-Clyne (96)

1. Rory Sutherland 55)
2. Stuart McInally (111) CAPTAIN
3. Simon Berghan (41)
4. Ben Toolis (78)
5. Grant Gilchrist (109)
6. Viliame Mata (23)
7. Hamish Watson (77)
8. Cornell du Preez (92)

Replacements: 16. Neil Cochrane (63); 17. Murray McCallum (28); 18. Matt Shields (2); 19. Fraser McKenzie (91); 20. Jamie Ritchie (40); 21. Nathan Fowles (45); 22. Chris Dean (54); 23. Darcy Graham (2)

Glasgow's weedy, wimpy Warriors

15. Ruaridh Jackson (126)
14. Tommy Seymour (109)
13. Huw Jones (1)
12. Alex Dunbar (105)
11. Lee Jones (65)
10. Peter Horne (128)
9. Ali Price (50)

1. Jamie Bhatti (18)
2. Fraser Brown (69)
3. Zander Fagerson (60)
4. Scott Cummings (30)
5. Jonny Gray (79) CAPTAIN
6. Robert Harley (170)
7. Matt Smith (10)
8. Samu Vunisa (4)

Replacements:

16. Pat MacArthur (163); 17. Oli Kebble (2); 18. Siua Halanukonuka (4); 19. Kiran McDonald (4); 20. Chris Fusaro (129); 21. Henry Pyrgos (135); 22. Finn Russell (72); 23. Niko Matawalu (84)

Get strapped in boys and girls. This should be a proper Christmas Cracker (boom boom)

GC. Gimme some pictures Hug

by EWT Spoons Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:16 pm

Interesting choices by both sides.

Not sure Mata and CDP in the same team is a great idea as I think they might be too similar, same situation as CDP and Bradbury.

Think our front row will have the edge and I imagine Sutherland will play the full 80 (assuming he doesn't pick up a knock).

Seymour against Duhan will be interesting.

I fear Dunbar and Huw against Burleigh & JJ.

by **RDW** Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:18 pm

So on balance when comparing the two teams:

Pack - Edinburgh edge it
Backs - Glasgow a clear winner, although not quite as vast a chasm of difference compared to previous years
Bench - Glasgow due to the powerful props and mentalness in the backs

Glasgow by 9

by jimbopip Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:20 pm

Career tackles,

Some interesting stats for Jonny The Resigner.

Pro 12/14. Made 655 missed 11
Champions cup. Made 264 missed 8
6N. Made 217 missed 5
RWC. Made 67 missed 2
Other Int matches. Made 200 missed 4

Totals made 1403 and missed 30.

Beside that Grant Gilchrist IS The Invisible Man. oh yeah

by jimbopip Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:26 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:So on balance when comparing the two teams:

Pack - Edinburgh edge it Really depends on Rob Harley: if he is fully fit and up to speed then he and Fat Sam will bring the "brutality" DR wants around the breakdown. While I think Matt Smith is a real prospect Hamish From The Glen is simply awesome but will need help from CDP and NotMadMata.
Backs - Glasgow a clear winner, although not quite as vast a chasm of difference compared to previous years
Bench - Glasgow due to the powerful props and mentalness in the backs

Glasgow by 9

by tigertattie Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:50 pm

jimbopip wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:So on balance when comparing the two teams:

Pack - Edinburgh edge it Really depends on Rob Harley: if he is fully fit and up to speed then he and Fat Sam will bring the "brutality" DR wants around the breakdown. While I think Matt Smith is a real prospect Hamish From The Glen is simply awesome but will need help from CDP and NotMadMata.
Backs - Glasgow a clear winner, although not quite as vast a chasm of difference compared to previous years
Bench - Glasgow due to the powerful props and mentalness in the backs

Glasgow by 9

Good old quote function fail from jimbo lol

Also, it's Jonny the re-signer. Just saying laughing

by **RDW** Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:52 pm

tigertattie wrote:
jimbopip wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:So on balance when comparing the two teams:

Pack - Edinburgh edge it Really depends on Rob Harley: if he is fully fit and up to speed then he and Fat Sam will bring the "brutality" DR wants around the breakdown. While I think Matt Smith is a real prospect Hamish From The Glen is simply awesome but will need help from CDP and NotMadMata.
Backs - Glasgow a clear winner, although not quite as vast a chasm of difference compared to previous years
Bench - Glasgow due to the powerful props and mentalness in the backs

Glasgow by 9

Good old quote function fail from jimbo lol

Also, it's Jonny the re-signer. Just saying

You missed the joke yesterday tattie - 21st excitedly proclaimed on here that Jonny had resigned. His old pal Jimbo corrected his unfortunate spelling mistake!

by Mad for Chelsea Thu 21 Dec 2017, 12:55 pm

Don't think there's a massive difference in quality between the starting line-ups. Glasgow clearly have the better bench though you have to say, so Edinburgh will want a decent lead going into the last quarter.

Any news on when Hogg might be back?

by jimbopip Thu 21 Dec 2017, 1:00 pm

I believe Hogg is being saved for more "challenging" opponents. Whistle

by tigertattie Thu 21 Dec 2017, 2:17 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
tigertattie wrote:
jimbopip wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:So on balance when comparing the two teams:

Pack - Edinburgh edge it Really depends on Rob Harley: if he is fully fit and up to speed then he and Fat Sam will bring the "brutality" DR wants around the breakdown. While I think Matt Smith is a real prospect Hamish From The Glen is simply awesome but will need help from CDP and NotMadMata.
Backs - Glasgow a clear winner, although not quite as vast a chasm of difference compared to previous years
Bench - Glasgow due to the powerful props and mentalness in the backs

Glasgow by 9

Good old quote function fail from jimbo lol

Also, it's Jonny the re-signer. Just saying

You missed the joke yesterday tattie - 21st excitedly proclaimed on here that Jonny had resigned. His old pal Jimbo corrected his unfortunate spelling mistake!

tut tut Admin Boy. I saw the joke. My reference was tongue in cheek!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Thu 21 Dec 2017, 5:20 pm

FFS! When DR empties the bench the MFLs better be 20-30 ahead or their could be real carnage oot there ! Very Happy

by **RDW** Thu 21 Dec 2017, 5:26 pm

Ryan Wilson and big Brian have been ruled out for 6 weeks

by tigertattie Thu 21 Dec 2017, 10:31 pm

Just been called a "melt" on social media where they are paying homage to JG as I dared to besmirch the playing ability of AWJ compared to ickkle Jonn

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Thu 21 Dec 2017, 10:36 pm

A 'melt'. WTF does that mean ? Not very threatening tbh !

by **RDW** Thu 21 Dec 2017, 10:39 pm

Surely calling someone a melt is straight out the weegie dictionary 21st?? Commonly used ned speak!

by **RDW** Fri 22 Dec 2017, 10:36 am

Apparently ticket sales are in the low 20s - not sure where the 30k figure came from!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Fri 22 Dec 2017, 10:44 am

Fras Brown signs a new 2 year deal - woo-hoo! Very Happy

by tigertattie Fri 22 Dec 2017, 10:44 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Apparently ticket sales are in the low 20s - not sure where the 30k figure came from!

probably the intern that they have doing the SRU social media platforms!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Fri 22 Dec 2017, 10:50 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:Apparently ticket sales are in the low 20s - not sure where the 30k figure came from!

Still a day to go for the next 10000 Rolling Eyes

by **BigGee** Fri 22 Dec 2017, 12:24 pm

The Saturday before xmas may not be as good a day as boxing day for a large crowd. A lot of people still running around doing stuff and travelling.

If they manage to beat last years crowd, it will be pretty impressive. Does not sound like they will be that far away.

by **RDW** Fri 22 Dec 2017, 12:42 pm

Dougie Fife and James Johnson have signed full time deals with Edinburgh next season. They've certainly taken their opportunity!

by **BigGee** Fri 22 Dec 2017, 1:02 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Dougie Fife and James Johnson have signed full time deals with Edinburgh next season. They've certainly taken their opportunity!

The sevens pathway certainly seems much more of a two way street than it used to be. Both have played well when given the chance by Edinburgh this year, so good to see them get rewarded.

I would still expect them to be playing a bit more sevens this season though, with the Commonwealth Games and the Sevens WC coming up you could see them being eased back down that pathway for the rest of the season along with maybe one or two other 15s players.

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Fri 22 Dec 2017, 9:37 pm

BBC Shortbread reporting 25000 tickets sold.

by TJ Sat 23 Dec 2017, 9:02 am

I am looking forward to this. Going with my Weegie parents

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 9:11 am

TJ wrote:I am looking forward to this. Going with my Weegie parents

You kept that quiet!

by 21st Century Schizoid Man Sat 23 Dec 2017, 10:14 am

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by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 10:33 am

You'll be well on your way by kick off time 21st! Ale

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 23 Dec 2017, 10:41 am

A now even older Grandpappy Solomons is going to be taking over as DOR of Worcester Warriors from the start of January. Surely thats enough to put the SRU off buying the club, although they could get some great jokes into the press release when they announced the takeover. Something about buying a club with a long history...

by jimbopip Sat 23 Dec 2017, 12:09 pm

Can I just request that any of our Eastern Brethren who are in the vicinity drop in at Ryries?
There are two reasons.
Firstly, Schiz is usually good company when there is beer available and rugby to discuss.
Secondly, I am currently reading The Crow Girl: a Scandi-Noir thriller wherein one of the characters suffers from DID; Disassociative Identity Disorder. Basically she invents another personality who commits the "bad" acts which she cannot "normally" carry out.
Now, the Schizoid One DID say Wee Mental Tam was going to Execeterr. He also DID say Wee Mad Mental Tam took three weeks to return from Execeterr. Finally he DID say there are twelve of them on the train and Wee Mad Mental Tam is but one of them. All fine and good but when Bru and I were drinking with the Schizoid One at Sandy Park we enquired after the missing MadMental Tam and were told that he hadn't made it to Execeterr. chin

So if anyone fancies nipping into Ryries and counting just how many Schiz's there are it would be most helpful.

by tigertattie Sat 23 Dec 2017, 12:14 pm

Schiz is his own alter ego.

On here he is an uncouth, profanity using, frightfully rude individual (even to his own kind)

I'm sure in th real world he's a fine upstanding citizen who just passionately wants Glasgow to win everything.

Surely???

by jimbopip Sat 23 Dec 2017, 12:24 pm

tigertattie wrote:Schiz is his own alter ego.

in th real world he's a fine upstanding citizen who just passionately wants Glasgow to win everything.

Yes

I got a Luvvie to defend Schiz Yahoo

My Chrimbo prezzie just to me. Thanks Tattie. kiss

Warriors by 85 points today. Whistle

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:14 pm

Well that was all a bit too easy!

by tigertattie Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:19 pm

Well that's ruined the game. Well done berghan.

Absolutely stupid

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:20 pm

Time to head to the pub I think!

Was it a red?

by VinceWLB Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:22 pm

I know rugby players aren't supposed to be the smartest but this takes the cake. What an imbecile.

Game ruined, time to switch off.

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:25 pm

Why would you take Hamish Watson off??

by **BigGee** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:27 pm

That won't go down as one of Berghan's better plays.

Could get very messy later on this game. Watson pulled off to allow the new TH on as well.

by **BigGee** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:28 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Why would you take Hamish Watson off??

If you are going to play a man short in the scrum then you need some bulk, smallest guy has to go.

by tigertattie Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:29 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Time to head to the pub I think!

Was it a red?

Clear red. Looked down at brown and raked down the side of his head. He barely touched him and it looked like Berghan was giving him a love tap to say "you're offside pal"

Idiotic to say the least

by VinceWLB Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:29 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Why would you take Hamish Watson off??

I would have had Mata off instead and keep Watson for his workrate. Odd decision at best.

by TheMildlyFranticLlama Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:33 pm

Got to agree with you there, Watson is key to disrupting their ball and slowing them down, definitely wouldn’t have taken him off

by Welly Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:35 pm

BigGee wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Why would you take Hamish Watson off??

If you are going to play a man short in the scrum then you need some bulk, smallest guy has to go.

Yeh especially when you are not exactly stacked with fit props.

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:43 pm

Lots of huffing and puffing from Edinburgh without getting anywhere.

by **BigGee** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:46 pm

First time I have seen SHC play for a while and it is true, his passing is terrible.

He won't be playing for Scotland again until that improves.

by Welly Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:49 pm

Can you kick the ball out of someones hands?

by VinceWLB Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:51 pm

Why isn't McCallum on? He is a better TH than Shields.

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 5:57 pm

Glasgow will be disappointed with the half - 30 minutes with a man advantage and done bugger all with it until now.

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 6:00 pm

Why didn't we do another ruck then kick it out for half time??

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 6:03 pm

That was bloody awful from Glasgow. Credit to Edinburgh for a huge shift though.

by **BigGee** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 6:04 pm

Glasgow are making right hard work of this. The need a serious bollocking from DR at half time. They have not won the game yet.

by **RDW** Sat 23 Dec 2017, 6:13 pm

Russell will surely make an appearance soon - they have no spark. Neither do Edinburgh given how much possession we've had!

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