Poaching, project players, residency qualifications etc.

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LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

Is this for real ?

Yes Im unclear how it works in the UK, 4 countries and one nationality (passport).

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

 World Rugby applies a different nationality in respect to the UK. Thus the four constituent parts of the UK are classed as 3 separate countries plus Northern Ireland being folded into Ireland.

Thus then qualification for any of these is as normal - place of birth, parents and grandparents place of birth and residency. Players who have dual eligibility will be tied to a country after appearing either in a test or for their designated second team against a similarly designated second team. By playing for Wales u20s against France Tommy Reffell is now tied to Wales.

What is fun about UK is that people born in the Channel Islands qualify for England, Scotland and Wales

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

Is this for real ?

Yes Im unclear how it works in the UK, 4 countries and one nationality (passport).

So ask some of our Irish pals north of the border for clarity on the detail....

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

Is this for real ?

Yes Im unclear how it works.

The same as Ireland and Northern Ireland, although you have not really covered yourself in glory on this thread, and what you have typed here just typifies you.

I am not going to insult you, like you have just done to anyone living int the UK with your statement, but lets just say, I think you need to leave this topic alone for a while.

SecretFly wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

Is this for real ?

Yes Im unclear how it works in the UK, 4 countries and one nationality (passport).

So ask some of our Irish pals north of the border for clarity on the detail....

Thats a different scenario. Two countries playing for the same side. England wales and scotland is effectively one nation playing for three seperate teams.

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

Is this for real ?

Yes Im unclear how it works.

The same as Ireland and Northern Ireland, although you have not really covered yourself in glory on this thread, and what you have typed here just typifies you.

I am not going to insult you, like you have just done to anyone living int the UK with your statement, but lets just say, I think you need to leave this topic alone for a while.

You are obviously too easily offended. Perhaps you need to take a break. Are you not the same nationality as someone from Scotland or England?

Its not the same scenario as Ireland and NI. See above.

Collapse2005 wrote:You are obviously to easily offended. Perhaps you need to take a break. Are you not the same nationality as someone from Scotland or England?

Seriously ?

Are you on the wind-up ?

Are you not the same nationality as people from Northern Ireland ?

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:You are obviously to easily offended. Perhaps you need to take a break. Are you not the same nationality as someone from Scotland or England?

Seriously ?

Are you on the wind-up ?

Are you not the same nationality as people from Northern Ireland ?

About 50% of people yes the rest are British passport holders so in those cases no. There is no such thing as a Welsh passport so I dont see the comparison.

You seem unable to answer the question? Are you aware of the rules with respect to Wales England and Scotland or not?

collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

Collapse2005 wrote:So basically you see nothing wrong with poaching kids as opposed to approaching established pros? Is that right? If that's what you are saying it seems massively inconsistent in my view.

If you approach an established pro you are also potentially offering them a better life even possibly in terms of education. Felipe Contepomi because a Dr while playing for Leinster and studying at the Royal College of Surgeons at the same time.

There must be a line drawn. Established players have been invested in heavily by rfanchises/provinces and the like, whereas the investment in kids are just beginning.

That is my view, you are welcome to disagree.

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:You are obviously to easily offended. Perhaps you need to take a break. Are you not the same nationality as someone from Scotland or England?

Seriously ?

Are you on the wind-up ?

Are you not the same nationality as people from Northern Ireland ?

About 50% of people yes the rest are British passport holders so in those cases no. There is no such thing as a Welsh passport so I dont see the comparison.

You seem unable to answer the question? Are you aware of the rules with respect to Wales England and Scotland or not?

So some British people play for us (British passports)without needing any granny route or three year route in because they're already Irish qualified, being Irish born - yet you'll say they maybe should play for England, Wales or Scotland instead?

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

You dont have to answer if you dont want but there is no other place in world rugby where one nationality represents 4 different countries. Was just wondering what the eligibility criteria is not sure how that ruins the thread.

Do you not hold a British passport exact same passport as those from Scotland, England and some from NI?

SecretFly wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:You are obviously to easily offended. Perhaps you need to take a break. Are you not the same nationality as someone from Scotland or England?

Seriously ?

Are you on the wind-up ?

Are you not the same nationality as people from Northern Ireland ?

About 50% of people yes the rest are British passport holders so in those cases no. There is no such thing as a Welsh passport so I dont see the comparison.

You seem unable to answer the question? Are you aware of the rules with respect to Wales England and Scotland or not?

So some British people play for us (British passports)without needing any granny route or three year route in because they're already Irish qualified, being Irish born - yet you'll say they maybe should play for England, Wales or Scotland instead?

No I am aware of the eligibility rules in Ireland Fly. My question was around eligibility rules in Wales Scotland and England.

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

You dont have to answer if you dont want but there is no other place in world rugby where one nationality represents 4 different countries. Was just wondering what the eligibility criteria is not sure how that ruins the thread.

Do you not hold a British passport exact same passport as those from Scotland, England and some from NI?

PS it is a United Kingdom Passport - not British. And reposting the below

LondonTiger wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

 World Rugby applies a different nationality in respect to the UK. Thus the four constituent parts of the UK are classed as 3 separate countries plus Northern Ireland being folded into Ireland.

Thus then qualification for any of these is as normal - place of birth, parents and grandparents place of birth and residency. Players who have dual eligibility will be tied to a country after appearing either in a test or for their designated second team against a similarly designated second team. By playing for Wales u20s against France Tommy Reffell is now tied to Wales.

What is fun about UK is that people born in the Channel Islands qualify for England, Scotland and Wales

Biltong wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:So basically you see nothing wrong with poaching kids as opposed to approaching established pros? Is that right? If that's what you are saying it seems massively inconsistent in my view.

If you approach an established pro you are also potentially offering them a better life even possibly in terms of education. Felipe Contepomi because a Dr while playing for Leinster and studying at the Royal College of Surgeons at the same time.

There must be a line drawn. Established players have been invested in heavily by rfanchises/provinces and the like, whereas the investment in kids are just beginning.

That is my view, you are welcome to disagree.

Sounds like you are just drawing the line where it suits you despite flirting with hypocrisy. In my view there is a distinct holier than thou attitude at play regarding imports playing in the North.

LondonTiger wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

You dont have to answer if you dont want but there is no other place in world rugby where one nationality represents 4 different countries. Was just wondering what the eligibility criteria is not sure how that ruins the thread.

Do you not hold a British passport exact same passport as those from Scotland, England and some from NI?

PS it is a United Kingdom Passport - not British. And reposting the below

LondonTiger wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality? What are the qualification rules for playing for Wales? Can someone from England or Scotland not just play for Wales if they want as they effectively have the same nationality?

 World Rugby applies a different nationality in respect to the UK. Thus the four constituent parts of the UK are classed as 3 separate countries plus Northern Ireland being folded into Ireland.

Thus then qualification for any of these is as normal - place of birth, parents and grandparents place of birth and residency. Players who have dual eligibility will be tied to a country after appearing either in a test or for their designated second team against a similarly designated second team. By playing for Wales u20s against France Tommy Reffell is now tied to Wales.

What is fun about UK is that people born in the Channel Islands qualify for England, Scotland and Wales

So clearly the rules are different for the UK. Makes sense. I am aware its a UK passport however the UK is often perhaps incorrectly referred to as Britain. UKexit doesnt have the same ring to it etc.

Collapse2005 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:You are obviously to easily offended. Perhaps you need to take a break. Are you not the same nationality as someone from Scotland or England?

Seriously ?

Are you on the wind-up ?

Are you not the same nationality as people from Northern Ireland ?

About 50% of people yes the rest are British passport holders so in those cases no. There is no such thing as a Welsh passport so I dont see the comparison.

You seem unable to answer the question? Are you aware of the rules with respect to Wales England and Scotland or not?

So some British people play for us (British passports)without needing any granny route or three year route in because they're already Irish qualified, being Irish born - yet you'll say they maybe should play for England, Wales or Scotland instead?

No I am aware of the eligibility rules in Ireland Fly. My question was around eligibility rules in Wales Scotland and England.

No, you're being knowingly offensive to Lord's understanding of his own identity.... that's what you're being.  The Welsh conundrum readily applies to the Irish one... British territory where British subjects (British passports) play for a distinctly Ireland (Nationality) team. An English person doesn't usually want to play for Scotland or Wales...they think of themselves as English, and it's usually enough for them - and all of them have the same passport, same as Rory Best's.

LordDowlais wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

It surely cant be considered offensive calling someone from Britain British? I think someone is fishing to get me banned?

SecretFly wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

SecretFly wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:You are obviously to easily offended. Perhaps you need to take a break. Are you not the same nationality as someone from Scotland or England?

Seriously ?

Are you on the wind-up ?

Are you not the same nationality as people from Northern Ireland ?

About 50% of people yes the rest are British passport holders so in those cases no. There is no such thing as a Welsh passport so I dont see the comparison.

You seem unable to answer the question? Are you aware of the rules with respect to Wales England and Scotland or not?

So some British people play for us (British passports)without needing any granny route or three year route in because they're already Irish qualified, being Irish born - yet you'll say they maybe should play for England, Wales or Scotland instead?

No I am aware of the eligibility rules in Ireland Fly. My question was around eligibility rules in Wales Scotland and England.

No, you're being knowingly offensive to Lord's understanding of his own identity.... that's what you're being.  The Welsh conundrum readily applies to the Irish one... British territory where British subjects (British passports) play for a distinctly Ireland (Nationality) team.  An English person doesn't usually want to play for Scotland or Wales...they think of themselves as English, and it's usually enough for them - and all of them have the same passport, same as Rory Best's.

Go back to bed Fly you havent a clue what I am "knowingly doing". If the conversation doesnt interest you post elsewhere. LondonTiger provided a pefectly good response to my question. As usual you just post garbage.

Well this thread has taken a turn for the worse...

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

It surely cant be considered offensive calling someone from Britain British? I think someone is fishing to get me banned?

NOPE, not at all.

I think you know what you are doing, and I think it needs to be dealt with by the people moderating this forum, you have been proved wrong on this subject over and over, you have now turned the whole conversation on it's head and taken it down a road that only you want to go down, because the original debate has been lost by you.

There is a name for people like you, I suggest you take my advice from earlier and leave this topic alone for a bit.

Collapse2005 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:So basically you see nothing wrong with poaching kids as opposed to approaching established pros? Is that right? If that's what you are saying it seems massively inconsistent in my view.

If you approach an established pro you are also potentially offering them a better life even possibly in terms of education. Felipe Contepomi because a Dr while playing for Leinster and studying at the Royal College of Surgeons at the same time.

There must be a line drawn. Established players have been invested in heavily by rfanchises/provinces and the like, whereas the investment in kids are just beginning.

That is my view, you are welcome to disagree.

Sounds like you are just drawing the line where it suits you despite flirting with hypocrisy. In my view there is a distinct holier than thou attitude at play regarding imports playing in the North.

Well my highly learned friend, where would you draw the line?

Highly learned? I thought I was on my last warning.

Change the rules if they are wrong. move residency from 3 to 5 years. Give the islands their own structures rather than claiming to do them a favour by draining them of their best players.

Collapse2005 wrote:

Go back to bed Fly you havent a clue what I am "knowingly doing". If the conversation doesnt interest you post elsewhere. LondonTiger provided a pefectly good response to my question. As usual you just post garbage.

Yeah, I do have a clue, Guns.... you leave tons of evidence in your wake mostly...never a thread without gurgling friction when you're about. It's your signature tune. And the conversation, such as it is, interests me - so I'll hang around for as long as I hang around.

LordDowlais wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

Comments like that is so far off the mark they aren't worth responding to, it is clickbait, much like modern media do with their headlines.

Maslow suggests before you can respect others you first have to respect yourself, a comment like that makes me wonder.

Collapse2005 wrote:Highly learned? I thought I was on my last warning.  

Change the rules if they are wrong. move residency from 3 to 5 years. Give the islands their own structures rather than claiming to do them a favour by draining them of their best players.

You need to say what you believe in, otherwise you are of no value in this debate,

If you merely here to critique other comments and opinions but refrain from stating a counter argument you should move on.

I asked a simple question, stop deflecting.

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

It surely cant be considered offensive calling someone from Britain British? I think someone is fishing to get me banned?

NOPE, not at all.

I think you know what you are doing, and I think it needs to be dealt with by the people moderating this forum, you have been proved wrong on this subject over and over, you have now turned the whole conversation on it's head and taken it down a road that only you want to go down, because the original debate has been lost by you.

There is a name for people like you, I suggest you take my advice from earlier and leave this topic alone for a bit.

All I doing is pointing out how different your scenario is to schoolboys travelling thousands of miles to play for NZ. If that offends you thats your business but in order to have an opinion you must accept the risk of being offensive and I do that doesnt mean I was intentionally being offensive. You dont get to decide that.

Biltong wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:Highly learned? I thought I was on my last warning.  

Change the rules if they are wrong. move residency from 3 to 5 years. Give the islands their own structures rather than claiming to do them a favour by draining them of their best players.

You need to say what you believe in, otherwise you are of no value in this debate,

If you merely here to critique other comments and opinions but refrain from stating a counter argument you should move on.

I asked a simple question, stop deflecting.

Billtong. I have posted my opinions all throughout the debate including to your question. If anything Id say my opinion are the ones being critiqued. Just because you dont agree with them doesnt make them any less valid.

Collapse2005 wrote:All I doing is pointing out how different your scenario is to schoolboys travelling thousands of miles to play for NZ. If that offends you thats your business but in order to have an opinion you must accept the risk of being offensive and I do that doesnt mean I was intentionally being offensive. You dont get to decide that.

No that is not what you are doing.

You are insinuating that I have no national identity. I am Welsh, and proud to be Welsh.

That's how it works.

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

Comments like that is so far off the mark they aren't worth responding to, it is clickbait, much like modern media do with their headlines.

Maslow suggests before you can respect others you first have to respect yourself, a comment like that makes me wonder.

Please point out how asking what the residency rules in the UK are given the unique scenario presented by one nationality representing 4 seperate countries is disrespectful? Did you know the rules with 100% certainty?

Great Britain is three countries: England, Scotland and Wales. Great Britain is the name of the main island of the British Isles. It is a geographical term, not a country, not a state, not a political entity.

I don't see how people having a British passport complicates the country they represent at International level as their nationality will determine that; i.e. whether they are English, Scottish or Welsh.

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

It surely cant be considered offensive calling someone from Britain British? I think someone is fishing to get me banned?

NOPE, not at all.

I think you know what you are doing, and I think it needs to be dealt with by the people moderating this forum, you have been proved wrong on this subject over and over, you have now turned the whole conversation on it's head and taken it down a road that only you want to go down, because the original debate has been lost by you.

There is a name for people like you, I suggest you take my advice from earlier and leave this topic alone for a bit.

All I doing is pointing out how different your scenario is to schoolboys travelling thousands of miles to play for NZ. If that offends you thats your business but in order to have an opinion you must accept the risk of being offensive and I do that doesnt mean I was intentionally being offensive. You dont get to decide that.

You have now convinced me you are delibrately wumming. You question the existence of a Welsh nation as a nation by way of the existence of a British Passport.

Are you going to stand in front of three million plus Welshmen and Women and tell them the Welsh nationality doesn't exist?

Ridiculous Sir.

Collapse2005 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

Biltong wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:collapse, you are an idiot of the highest order.

Another thread ruined. Well done.

LD, I understand your frustration, but lets not name call please.

Sorry Biltong.

But collapse has seriously offended me with his comments. I do not think he realises how offensive his behaviour is.

I will not apologise to him for calling him an idiot.

Comments like that is so far off the mark they aren't worth responding to, it is clickbait, much like modern media do with their headlines.

Maslow suggests before you can respect others you first have to respect yourself, a comment like that makes me wonder.

Please point out how asking what the residency rules in the UK are given the unique scenario presented by one nationality representing 4 seperate countries is disrespectful? Did you know the rules with 100% certainty?

You are not asking that.

You know how it works, and you have now skewed the debate in a totally different direction so much that we are not even talking about rugby on a rugby forum anymore.

You have talked nonsense throughout this debate, you know, I know, and everybody else knows what your motives are, so give it a rest.

I never said Wales doesnt exist but the reality is all Welsh people have the same citizenship as English and Scots. Thats the truth. How can I be wumming if what I am stating is factually accurate? It was a perfectly valid question.

Billtong at this stage the ad hominen remarks from you are really building up. Are you aware that you are taking a very one sided approach to the moderation of this debate?

It is stacking up against you, nobody else.

If you want the onesidedness of my comments to stop, then perhaps you should consider your part in this.

I left this site due to people who are out to destroy debates rather than providing constructive debates, it seems nothing have changed.

Biltong wrote:It is stacking up against you, nobody else.

If you want the onesidedness of my comments to stop, then perhaps you should consider your part in this.

Having opinions you dont agree with? Can you recall an ad hominem remark I have made towards you?

You seem to have allowed Lord convince you that I am wumming simply because he is debating on the same side of the fence as you.

Collapse, seriously, if you are going to be a troll, then at least do it with some imagination, so you did not say this then ?

Collapse2005 wrote:Is there such thing as a Welsh nationality?

You know what you are doing.

Collapse, the clue is in the title: United Kindom (passport). ‘United’ suggests a coming together of something. In this case it is a coming together of nations. So it’s perfectly plausible that you could have different nationalities united under 1 passport.

I am locking this topic, nothing more to explain here.