England vs South Africa - 1st Quilter International

by **LondonTiger** Thu 01 Nov 2018, 9:49 am

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Date: Saturday 3rd November 2018
Time: 15:00
Location: Twickenham Stadium

Referee: Angus Gardiner (Aus)
Assistant 1: Jerome Garces (France)
Assistant 2: Ben Whitehouse (Wales)
TMO: Olly Hodges (Ireland)

Teams

England

15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 21 caps), 14 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 26 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 13 caps), 12 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 13 caps), 11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 37 caps), 10 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 61 caps) co-captain, 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 77 caps), 1 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 2 caps), 2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 93 caps) co-captain, 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 13 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 22 caps), 5 George Kruis (Saracens, 25 caps), 6 Brad Shields (Wasps, 2 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 4 caps), 8 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 4 caps).

16 Jamie George (Saracens, 28 caps), 17 Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 11 caps), 19 Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 6 caps) , 20 Zach Mercer (Bath Rugby, uncapped), 21 Danny Care (Harlequins, 81 caps), 22 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 47 caps), 23 Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 26 caps).

South Africa

15 Damian Willemse, 14 S’bu Nkosi, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Ivan van Zyl, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Duane Vermeulen, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff

Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Thomas du Toit, 18 Wilco Louw, 19 RG Snyman, 20 Lood de Jager, 21 Embrose Papier, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 André Esterhuizen.

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:13 pm

4 overthrows by Marx

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:13 pm

We don't want to win this

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:13 pm

And another line-out not straight ...

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:14 pm

DecAllende just being cocky there and losing the ball

by Duty281 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:15 pm

Teo's tackling is abysmal. Has to come off.

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:16 pm

How did he even start - he's hardly played at all before today

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:18 pm

Now let's just run down the clock

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:18 pm

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:18 pm

Duty281 wrote:Teo's tackling is abysmal. Has to come off.

He just put in a crunching tackle

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:19 pm

And the momentum has swung

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:21 pm

Looking a bit better now..

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:21 pm

Nah - we'll still lose this ... all that tackling early on will take its toll

by Artful_Dodger Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:22 pm

Both sets of second rows have been shocking all round.

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:22 pm

How did Jack get that?

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:23 pm

Hope you’re wrong Heaf!

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:23 pm

This is a lesson to the Boks as to what happens when you control a match but keep piling on the errors

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

stub wrote:Hope you’re wrong Heaf!

So do I but not confident ...

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

England to bring this home now. Next try wins. May?

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

If I’m honest Heaf, neither am I.

by Taylorman Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:26 pm

What a terrible match. Boks dont want it, England cant take it, mistakes galore. Really disappointed with the lack of work rate from the SA back row who should be punishing the gainline consistently.

Still think the boks will just nab it but with the pack domination in the first 40 should have walked it by now.

Cant see England beating the ABs next week with this side. Theyre gonna get smacked up front big time for a start.

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:28 pm

Me neither

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:28 pm

Can't see it being anything but a big win for the ABs unless something changes drastically ...

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:28 pm

A few times May has failed to get through SA players to get under a high ball. Is he being obstructed or is it a case of SA plYers legally holding their line?

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:28 pm

Yeah has been pathetic

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:29 pm

Who ever wins this will feel like kissing a donkey, who ever loses will be kissing that same donkey's arse

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:30 pm

Well put Bil ...

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:32 pm

Definitely more watchable now.

by BamBam Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:33 pm

Some of Sinckler's work as first receiver has been Furlong esque, great to see

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:34 pm

BamBam wrote:Some of Sinckler's work as first receiver has been Furlong esque, great to see

yeah he has been good

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:35 pm

Why takes Youngs and Nowell off?

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:37 pm

SA looked to be messing around on the wrong side of that ruck?

by Taylorman Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:38 pm

England thinks they need to run the kitchen sink at the Boks to win now but that just might backfire, but its giving them their best plays so far.

Anyones match. Who wants it?

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:39 pm

anyone have a clue how Marx got nominated ahead of Furlong?

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:39 pm

Ash splash anyone?

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:41 pm

stub wrote:Ash splash anyone?

He might knock it on

What a horrible pass from Shields

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:41 pm

SA starting to lie around on the wrong side a lot now ...

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:41 pm

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:41 pm

Commentator Barnes is giving Shields a hard time there but I think he offloaded because he was going into touch.

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:42 pm

He might just do that collapse!

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:42 pm

What a stupid offload ...

by **Biltong** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:42 pm

Would love to see that scrum from above

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:43 pm

Farrell is such a great kicker.

by **Rugby Fan** Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:47 pm

Worst thing is the hope building that we can win this game....

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:48 pm

Great input from Ford.....

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:51 pm

This is tense stuff.

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:51 pm

surprised care kicked that out

by Artful_Dodger Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:52 pm

Cannot fathom SA not dropping a goal there.

by stub Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:53 pm

Kruis has been great.

by Heaf Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:53 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:surprised care kicked that out

Let's see if the line-out is straight ..

by Collapse2005 Sat 03 Nov 2018, 4:54 pm

How did Farrell not get a red card? It has been coming a long time. Bizarre.

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