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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 10 Sep 2019, 11:23 am

First topic message reminder :

Fixtures


September
13th Misc - Premiership Sevens, Pool Fixtures
14th Misc - Premiership Sevens, KO Fixtures
21st 15:00 - Worcester (a), Premiership Cup
27th 19:45 - Exeter (h), Premiership Cup

October
 5th 15:00 - Bath (a), Premiership Cup
12th 15:00 - Northampton (h), Premiership Cup
19th 15:00 - Worcester (a), Gallagher Premiership
27th 15:00 - Saracens (h), Gallagher Premiership


November
 2nd 15:00 - Gloucester (h), Gallagher Premiership
10th 15:00 - London Irish (a), Gallagher Premiership
16th 15:00 - Pau (h), Challenge Cup
23rd 20:00 - Cardiff (a), Challenge Cup

30th 15:00 - Northampton (a), Gallagher Premiership

December
 7th 15:00 - Calvisano (h), Challenge Cup
14th 13:30 - Calvisano (a), Challenge Cup

21st 15:00 - Exeter (h), Gallagher Premiership
28th 16:30 - Harlequins (a - Twickenham), Gallagher Premiership

January
 4th 15:00 - Bristol (h), Gallagher Premiership
12th 15:15 - Cardiff (h), Challenge Cup

17/18/19 - Pau (a), Challenge Cup
24/25/26 - Bath (a), Gallagher Premiership

February
14/15/16 - Wasps (h), Gallagher Premiership
21/21/23 - Sale (a), Gallagher Premiership
28/29/01 - Worcester (h), Gallagher Premiership

March
6/7/8 - Saracens (a), Gallagher Premiership
20/21/22 - Exeter (a), Gallagher Premiership
27/28/29 - Beth (h), Gallagher Premiership


April
3/4/5 - Castres (h), Challenge Cup 1/4 Final
10/11/12 - London Irish (h), Gallagher Premiership
17/18/19 - Gloucester (a), Gallagher Premiership
24/25/26 - Sale (h), Gallagher Premiership

May
8/9/10 - Wasps (a), Gallagher Premiership
15/16/17 - Northampton (h), Gallagher Premiership
29/30/31 - Bristol (a), Gallagher Premiership

June
5/6/7 - Harlequins (h), Gallagher Premiership


Squad & Coaching Team


Head Coach: Geordan Murphy
Forwards Coach: Mark Bakewell
Attack Coach: Mike Ford
Defence Coach: Phil Blake
Scrum Coach: Boris Stankovich
Senior Development coach: Brett Deacon
Team Manager: Teresa Carrington


First Team Squad:
Props (8): Greg Bateman, Dan Cole, Gaston Cortes, Ellis Genge, Facundo Gigena, Joe Heyes, Owen Hills, Nephi Leatigaga
Hookers (5): Charlie Clare, Jake Kerr, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Jimmy Stevens, Tom Youngs
Second Row (4): Calum Green, Tomas Lavanini, Will Spencer, Harry Wells
Back Row (8): Jordan Coghlan, Dave Denston, Sione Kalamafoni, Sam Lewis, Hanro Liebenberg, Tommy Reffell, Jordan Taufua, Guy Thompson
Half Backs: (8)Sam Harrison, Harry Simmons, Ben White, Ben Youngs, George Ford, Tom Hardwicke, Johnny McPhillips, Noel Reid
Outside Backs (13): Sam Aspland-Robinson, Kyle Eastmond, Andy Forsyth, Jonah Holmes, Jonny May, Jordan Olowofela, Jaco Taute, Joe Thomas, Adam Thompstone, Manu Tuilagi, Telusa Veainu, EW Viljoen, George Worth

Development Squad:
Props (3): Osman Dimen, Keston Lines, James Whitcombe
Hookers (0):
Second Row (3): Cameron Jordan, Tom Manz, George Martin
Back Row (5): Ollie Ashwoth, Sam Eveleigh, Taylor Gough, Henri Lavin, Thom Smith
Half Backs (3): Jonny Law, Jack van Poortvliet, Sam Costelow
Outside Backs (4): Joe Browning, Kyran Bungaroo, Leo Gilliland, Freddie Steward


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Post by LondonTiger on Sun 10 May 2020, 4:14 pm

House of Rugby (with Ben Youngs) was worth a watch this week.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 11 May 2020, 6:33 pm

Simon Cohen gone.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon 11 May 2020, 6:42 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Simon Cohen gone.

I may be wrong but pretty sure Cohen had mentioned previously that he wanted to remain at least until work on the hotel was underway. With that due to start this week it may have been a move sat on the back burner for a while. I can't say I'm the mans greatest fan but the clubs finances are in a much better place than many of it's counterparts, as Peter Tom made clear in his LTTV interview.

Andrea Pinchen has held many roles within the club and has a fantastic reputation. I wish her all the best. Is she the first female CEO in Premiership history?

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 11 May 2020, 7:04 pm

Probably the right time for him to go. His off the field revamps of WR are coming towards completion and the club are in a sound financial place. He's taken plenty of stock for the onfield issues so will be interesting to see where those fingers point if next season isn't an improvement.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 11 May 2020, 9:13 pm

LondonTiger wrote:House of Rugby (with Ben Youngs) was worth a watch this week.

Good call. An interesting insight. I wonder whether he'd have ribbed the PTs knowing that Aled was due to arrive. I wonder if Aled's seen this and is now definitely thinking he's definitely going to be "puking into a bin".

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Post by king_carlos on Tue 12 May 2020, 8:17 pm

LondonTiger wrote:House of Rugby (with Ben Youngs) was worth a watch this week.

Just listened into it. Got to say I preferred Lenny to Mike Tindall's dulcet tones and heavy breathing.

Really interesting hearing YBYs thoughts on Jones compared to other coaches and what he still wants to achieve at club level. His answer to the 'one club man' question was very candid which I like.

I'd love for Lenny to make it onto the 2021 Lions tour after everything the family went through in 2017.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 13 May 2020, 3:33 pm

Former academy prop Rob Hardwick has joined the Wasps senior academy. He's a very talented prop, if he can keep a lid on his discipline he could be a good project for Wasps.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 13 May 2020, 6:29 pm

king_carlos wrote:Former academy prop Rob Hardwick has joined the Wasps senior academy. He's a very talented prop, if he can keep a lid on his discipline he could be a good project for Wasps.

Yes, a very talented player but the incident in question was not something we want in the game. I presume he's had a lengthy ban over which to consider his actions. Given the quality of Wasps front row options there's a fairly direct route to the first team as well.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 13 May 2020, 6:43 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
king_carlos wrote:Former academy prop Rob Hardwick has joined the Wasps senior academy. He's a very talented prop, if he can keep a lid on his discipline he could be a good project for Wasps.

Yes, a very talented player but the incident in question was not something we want in the game. I presume he's had a lengthy ban over which to consider his actions. Given the quality of Wasps front row options there's a fairly direct route to the first team as well.
Agreed. He was completely dropped from the England age grades and Tigers set-ups for that incident though. The idea of being bollocked by his dad frankly terrifies me as well!

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 13 May 2020, 6:55 pm

Know what you mean Rob Snr definitely looks like a scary bloke to be on the wrong side of. He played rugby in a pretty tough era as well. Hopefully Rob Jnr has learnt his lesson and used his time off to sort out his temper. If he gets caught doing something stupid again then the RFU really will throw the book at him.

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Post by king_carlos on Thu 14 May 2020, 2:46 pm

Ian Walker and David Abell have both retired from the BOD. Both have been involved with the club for a very long time. I believe Walker being appointed Finance Director was Simon Cohen's decision so perhaps unsurprising that he's chosen now as a good time to step aside.

That also leaves Andrea Pinchen as the only member of the BOD drawing a salary from the club. Perhaps coincidental but with many fans having expressed frustration (sometimes incorrectly IMO) at funds being spent off the pitch it may please some supporters.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 14 May 2020, 2:52 pm

David Abell was getting on so I understand his decision. Ian Waller is a bit of an odd one. He's been in the post since 1999 hasn't he? So that would be before Cohen took the CEO job. I suppose he's not getting any younger either and with the job no doubt three times bigger than it was originally more stress than he would like.

It's gives Pinchen chance to build her own team as well. Right I'll go dust off my CV then...

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Post by king_carlos on Thu 14 May 2020, 3:01 pm

Walker joined as financial controller in 1999 but wasn't appointed to the BOD as finance director until 2014 under Cohen as CEO.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 16 May 2020, 10:28 pm

Geordie rejects Jim Hamiltons rumour that Itoje is joining, but confirms a lock signing will be announced soon. RugbyPass believe it is a loan deal for Nick Isiekwe, with Alex Lewington also heading up on a permanent deal.

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Post by Welly on Sat 16 May 2020, 10:29 pm

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 16 May 2020, 10:40 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Geordie rejects Jim Hamiltons rumour that Itoje is joining, but confirms a lock signing will be announced soon. RugbyPass believe it is a loan deal for Nick Isiekwe, with Alex Lewington also heading up on a permanent  deal.

I can't see us going for a loan deal. Either we have already signed a lock and are yet to announce them (Alemmano rumoured) or Covid initially interrupted our plans and we've used the South African contract issue to swoop in and grab someone like Ruan Vermaak making full use of McGinty's recon work in SA.

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Post by Welly on Sat 16 May 2020, 10:42 pm

Vermaak too Japan

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 16 May 2020, 10:50 pm

Welly wrote:  Vermaak too Japan

I imagine Japan are hoovering up the majority. He was just an example of an SA lock that had been announced as taking up the option to opt out of his contract.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 04 Jun 2020, 4:30 pm

Club currently having redundancy consultations with staff.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Fri 05 Jun 2020, 9:04 am

LondonTiger wrote:Club currently having redundancy consultations with staff.

Sadly this is the case for a lot of businesses. Covid has given the economy a kicking so a lot of companies will have to scale back operations and cut down the work force. I hope those let go find new employment quickly and that we use the furlough scheme to keep them in salary for as long as possible whilst they look for new work.

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Post by king_carlos on Fri 05 Jun 2020, 1:10 pm

Tigers have more matchday employees than most clubs so only natural that redundancies are having to occur in the circumstances, sadly. I believe the furlough scheme covers employees for a short period after redundancy?

On player news the Jaguares telling players they can consider other offers to keep playing rugby might open up interesting situation with Julian Montoya. Tigers have been in talks with him for a while about joining at the end of his Jaguares contract - after the 2021 Super Rugby season. If he's available sooner then Tigers might sign him earlier to secure him long term. It would likely mean sacrificing a back row signing with Kalamafoni and Thompson out, but only Brink coming in currently. Personally I think that trade off would be worth the risk to secure a player of Montoya's quality long term though.

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Post by Gooseberry on Fri 05 Jun 2020, 1:56 pm

It always feels a bit off when sports clubs look to save money on employees who earn in a year what some players make in a week.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 11 Jun 2020, 10:25 am

Pleased to see that Guy Thompson has a contract with Ealing.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 11 Jun 2020, 10:34 am

Gooseberry wrote:It always feels a bit off when sports clubs look to save money on employees who earn in a year what some players make in a week.

It's the unfortunate fact that the players are the assets needed to generate income and the staff are not. At least some of the board have taken the option to lighten the financial load first.

LT, agree. Guy will rip up the Championship for Ealing next season. They are pretty much nailed on second place as things stand.

I hear some rumblings that the trouble at Glaws involves the signing of Johnny May. Neither Humphreys nor Ackerman were involved in the deal, it was allegedly done above their heads. I wonder if Johnny is thinking he's jumped from the frying pan into the fire with that move. The rugby podcast and Andy Goode make further assertions as to why it's all fallen down in the West Country as well.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 11 Jun 2020, 10:56 am

Strange move for GT, he's still a very good AP option. A little strange for Ealing too with them only ever really looking at 2nd place as the best option.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 11 Jun 2020, 11:05 am

Ealing will pay well. Might be an opportunity for him to do some coaching there as well. I suppose Ealing are tooling up because they know they need to topple Sarries.

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 11 Jun 2020, 11:12 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Strange move for GT, he's still a very good AP option. A little strange for Ealing too with them only ever really looking at 2nd place as the best option.

Premiership clubs just not recruiting at the moment (in the main). It will be weird seeing the season finish with players having moved to new clubs. Lord alone knows how the Salary Cap will cope with it.

As to Thompson - I believe he was looking at moving into a player coach type role - so maybe as Sam suggests that may happen.

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Post by king_carlos on Thu 11 Jun 2020, 12:19 pm

Ealing needed to replace Jordy Reid who was their best player for the past two seasons. Guy will do a brilliant job replacing him for them. With regards to him moving into coaching I've often thought that players who respond to reffing interpretation quickly during a game tend to convert into good forwards coaching. Guy is very good at that.

Reid will be a really shrewd signing for Gloucester I think. They are stacked with back rows but Ludlow is the only openside there. I think Reid could be an improvement on Ludlow. Paired with their powerful blindsides and number 8s it will be a strong back row.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Fri 12 Jun 2020, 10:47 pm

Nazeem Carr leaves Wasps for the Bulls. With Ashley Johnson gone as well that's a chunk of experience gone from the Wasps pack. Charlie Matthews and Flament have gone to Japan and Tolouse respectively. Wasps pack was weak already, they need to have some quality additions coming in for next season. They are lucky they have the Willis boys come through, going to be hard to keep them long term though if they don't start beefing that pack up though. All clubs will run leaner next season but Wasps really need another lock and backrow before next season.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 17 Jun 2020, 1:47 pm

Fred Tuilagi Jnr has signed with London Scottish along with his brother Brian. I can't say I ever saw much to get excited about from Brian but Fred was really improving his all round game during his final season with the club. I could see him pushing back up to a Premiership contract after some development in the Championship.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 17 Jun 2020, 2:31 pm

I could certainly see someone taking a punt on him if he has a good season in the Championship.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 24 Jun 2020, 5:20 pm

So the two new signings leave us with a squad of;

LH - Genge, Gigena, Bateman
Hooker - Youngs, Kerr, the Georgian, Clare
TH - Cole, Heyes, Leatigaga
Lock - Lavanini, Enever, Wells, Green
Backrow - Brink, Liebenburg, Taufua, Reffell, Coghlan, Lewis
9 - Youngs, White, Simmons
10 - Ford, Henry, Hardwick
Centre - Manu, Scott, Reid, Taute, Eastmond
Back three - Nadolo, TV, Owolfela, Worth, Potter, Aspland-Robinson

Development squad;

LH - Whitcombe
Hooker - Vanes
TH - Dimen, Rowntree
Lock - Henderson, Martin, Manz, Chessum
Backrow - T Smith, Lavin, Gough, Ashworth, Ilione, K Smith
9 - Law, van Poevelt, Edwards
10 - Glynn
Centre - Kelly
Back three - Steward, Browning

Pretty much there on terms of squad then. Lighter than usual but that was expected even before Covid as Geordie is very much behind developing from our academy. The development squad recruitment has also been good. I think we are a little short at prop so I'd expect us to get another one of those in at least.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 24 Jun 2020, 5:43 pm

From the back room staff physio Dave Orton has moved on as well. He's been working for a marketing firm as well as Tigers for the last few years so it might be pre-planned moved that's been sped up by covid. He's been with the club for 10 years though.

My positives on the squad for next season so far:

- Our prop depth (a positive this season) is still excellent.

- I think Mamukashvili should be a step up on the performances Tigers have got from OTY and TPN in the last two seasons. I just hope he gets starts if his form warrants them.

- I think Brink could improve the back row if he stays fit.

- Scott and Nadolo are fantastic signings in areas we really needed them.

- The development squad and project type signings for next season are really good I think. Zach Henry at 10/15. Henderson and Chessum in the row. Potter in the back three. Kelly in the midfield.

- The promoted academy players are hugely talented. Vanes and Illione are very impressive young players.

On the downside:

- Second row really worries me still. If Evener is there for depth or almost as Kalamafoni's replacement with Liebenberg covering 8 and Wells covering 6 then he could be a shrewd signing. If he's Spencer's replacement and our new first XV second row then I'm worried.

- If Lavanini and/or Veainu move on then things look completely different.

- I'm still surprised that Ollie Smith didn't get a development contract but hopefully Tigers keep tabs on him as they did with Henderson who's now returned to the set-up. Also disappointing to lose Muncaster but there's huge strength in the back row and he's followed his international ambitions, I think Ben will do well at Edinburgh.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 24 Jun 2020, 6:52 pm

I was very surprised that the second coming didn't get a development contract. Every report I saw from the academy games seemed to mention him in a positive light whether at 13 or 15 and he kicked for goal as well. He seemed to have a bit of everything.

Enever I don't know much about, what I can find suggests that he's always been highly rated but has never quite achieved his potential. Under 20 international, 50 caps for the Brumbies, 2 caps for Australia and a mid week appearance against the Lions. That doesn't point towards a bad player, if he was 24 instead of 28 with that experience we'd be calling it a bargain. He might still be one. I was/am hoping for a bigger name lineout leader but if we are having to cut our cloth a little lock is an area where we have four players with plenty of potential waiting in the wings. Manz is supposed to be handy at the lineout, we've got a few games to play in a season we can't get relegated yet, be a great chance to see who can do what.

Prop I'm more worried about. Argentina seem to have realised at last that Gigena is a very good scrummager. If him and Genge go on international duty together we are very light. Leatigaga and maybe Heyes could get called up as well we very much need an extra body.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 24 Jun 2020, 10:58 pm

https://twitter.com/EgertonSport/status/1275838181355577347

Chris Egerton tweeting that Julian Montoya has signed. May explain why savings have been made at second row.

Montoya is one of the best hookers in the world, would be a brilliant signing. Montoya and Mamukashvili signing would be a giant leap forward at hooker compared to the last two seasons.

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Post by TightHEAD on Thu 25 Jun 2020, 7:14 am

Is the new Seeker any good?

Eligible for England too.
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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 25 Jun 2020, 9:02 am

TightHEAD wrote:Is the new Seeker any good?

Eligible for England too.

Born and spent the early part of his life here. Australia would be his adopted nation if opted for them. Unsure about his ability, he was a mainstay as part of the Sydney Uni side that won titles under our new attack coach. The Rebels had him in their squad so his potential must have been recognised. He's been likened to our previous Aussie winger Nick Malouf in that he appears quick and abrasive.

Carlos, Montoya would be a very good signing but that does leave us with five first team hookers on the books. That's not ideal. The club wouldn't have wanted to miss out on a long term target that good obviously but not ideal given we could have done with an international level lock or a big number 8. Hopefully long term we'll really benefit, just hope Montoya has got dual nationality, that was supposed to be why we were interested in Alemmano as he also holds an Italian passport and so we could get round the foreign player rule.

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Post by Hazel Sapling on Thu 25 Jun 2020, 9:57 am

Trying to figure out whether that is the same Ollie Smith (outside centre/full back at Glasgow). Apparently there is a different one in the Leicester academy who plays the same position.

Frustrated that Henderson went back to you this season as Glasgow could have used him at fifth/sixth choice with Cummings and potentially R Gray facing call ups. By the looks of it, he is aiming to be fifth choice for Leicester instead without the call ups to get him opportunities.

How is Kerr viewed with Montoya coming in? Is he going to be second choice?



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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 25 Jun 2020, 10:12 am

Different Ollie Smith. Our Ollie (version 2) was a surprise omission from the list of academy leavers given development contracts announced a couple of months back. Glasgow's Ollie Smith has been up their for a couple of seasons.

Henderson is in the development squad with three other very promising locks. George Martin who's a beast and only missed out on the under 20 6N through injury, he's a real enforcer type with good hands. Chessum who I don't know much about other than he used to be in our academy then went to Nottingham and worked his way up to third choice over the course of last season (he's also 19). Then there's Manz who was the lineout leader and combined with Martin at academy level to good effect. All four will fancy their chances as we really only have one international level lock and then three other good but not outstanding options.

Kerr I'm unsure about. New coach might have different ideas. Tom Youngs is rumoured to only be on a one year deal and is supposedly stepping back a bit. The Georgian we've signed is a solid pro so he'll be difficult to shift. Kerr with his good lineout throwing could push himself up to second choice behind Montoya. It's an area of rotation and our next cab off the development rank is only 18 so there's no youngster immediately demanding inclusion.

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Post by king_carlos on Mon 29 Jun 2020, 5:20 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53221780

I'm sure most have seen this from other sources (Daily Heil and Telegraph also running it). With how specific the 5pm Tuesday deadline being reported is I'd guess there's a bit of substance to it. BBC haven't put that deadline in their article but Telegraph certainly have.

If I had to guess at players in potential disputes...

High paid players who will have lots of other offers: Lavanini, Liebenberg, Taufua, Brink, Tuilagi, Veainu

Players who might use it as a means to move on for other reasons: Kerr (game time), Gigena (visa issues still?), Eastmond/Reid/Taute (with Scott coming in all will be down the pecking order)

Ford is also highly paid with lots of options but he will also be a marquee player now so the cap coming down may not affect him. He's also a big part of the Jones England set-up.

Lenny also well paid but is only tied to a one year deal and pretty much guaranteed England caps under Jones.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Mon 29 Jun 2020, 6:47 pm

I think the England lads will remain as they get bonuses for playing for England and no other England team is likely to have space for them. Unless Saints let Biggar go to Beziers and then sign Fordy with the freed up cash at which point George is dead to me.

Brink is on his way back from injury so may not have as many options as the others you mention. Eastmond is one I think could look to take the money currently flooding the French second division.

Cole is an interesting one, he could get a handsome payday in France for two or three years and if someone like Beziers are throwing money around he'd set himself up nicely. South of France right on the coast I wouldn't blame him. Though I'd struggle to blame any of them, rugby is a short career and with the money in France and Japan substantial it must be hard to turn down. I'm a little annoyed the club made such a big thing about being able to spend up to the cap and have then tried to renegotiate contracts down. The wage cap doesn't lower until 2021/22 and with all the rugby between now and then we could use those big names to develop out talented development squad. Instead it looks like we'll be throwing them in the deep end with far fewer high level players to guide them.

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Post by king_carlos on Tue 30 Jun 2020, 12:42 pm

Owen Hills joins Nottingham. I'm glad he's got a championship contract. Before his progress was stalled by missing a lot of rugby he looked a really good prospect.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Tue 30 Jun 2020, 1:23 pm

king_carlos wrote:Owen Hills joins Nottingham. I'm glad he's got a championship contract. Before his progress was stalled by missing a lot of rugby he looked a really good prospect.

One of three looseheads confirmed for next season along with former Tiger Sio and a signing Williams from Rotherham. He's a big lad he just never seems to stay fit long enough to get enough game time to progress.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 11:17 am

Telegraph reporting Manu, Telusa, Taufua, Bateman, Reid and Eastmond as the players who 'missed' the deadline yesterday. Some are reporting that they have been given an extended deadline of Thursday. Perhaps we will hear something with the kit launch.

Taufua would be a huge loss. He's one of the best back rows in the Prem and genuinely covers 6/7/8 to an outstanding level.

Manu and Telusa I would really miss seeing in a Tigers shirt but injuries have affected their influence at Tigers recently and both will have lots of offers which Tigers may struggle to match. Telusa leaving might worry me more as our back three options are mostly very young. I was also very excited by a Nadolo/Veainu/Steward back three.

Bateman and Reid I'm torn on. Bateman has been terrific for Tigers but his scrummaging is a step behind all three of Genge, Gigena (any news on his visa situation?) and Leatigaga on the loosehead. Reid I was excited by joining but he had little influence last season. Being played at 10 didn't help though in my opinion.

I frankly wouldn't be upset if Eastmond moved on. His defence has been abject at times, though solid at others. By the time lockdown hit I was wanting to see Hardwick or Worth get game time at the centre ahead of him to be honest.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 11:30 am

Seems that Manu was not interested in either extending his contract or cutting the value of it. If he did not want to do the former, no point doing the latter. As this means he was only planning on staying for one more year - we may as well let him try and get the big money deal while he is still in demand.

Really pleased that Ford, Genge and Lavanini are staying.

Not heard anything about Gigena, but do hope Bateman can be persuaded to stay.

Taute has signed a new deal, and with the arrival of Scott losing Reid would not be a huge thing. Losing Eastmond would be no issue at all imo.

Would hate to lose Taufua, but would understand if he went. TV needs to look after the future of himself and his family.

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 11:34 am

Agree with all that LT.

In the wonderful world of idle speculation the Tigers squad page has been updated with those 6 still on it. I love idle speculation. It's like structured debate for morons. It suits my intellectual capacity perfectly.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 11:56 am

Taufua would be the big blow I agree. No idea where we'd manage to scrounge up a replacement for him at the minute but with some dead rubber games ahead we could at least trial the senior development options, I like the look of Lavin.

Losing three centres would hit the numbers a bit so we'd need at least one more body in there. I'd like to see Manu complete his final season with us but sadly doesn't look like it. Hopefully we can find a big lump without a club to slot into the squad there. TV is unreplaceable but if Tom Homer still hasn't got a deal he'd offer some experience at the back for a season.

We are low on numbers at loosehead as is. If Bateman goes we will definitely need a replacement and a loosehead specialist. I still think we need a final prop for the squad on top of that as well.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 12:02 pm

Club confirm missed revenues total £5m. 31 members of staff to be made redundant. A "small number of players" will also be leaving having refused pay reductions. Low level earners have no been asked to take pay reductions.

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Post by Hazel Sapling on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 12:16 pm

Which clubs are going to be able to offer Manu the type of money he is on? I thought he was making c. £500k at Leicester.

The other point is what happens to players who are effectively being let go? I assume their fixed term contract would have to be paid out. Will there be a settlement?

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Post by king_carlos on Wed 01 Jul 2020, 12:17 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Taufua would be the big blow I agree. No idea where we'd manage to scrounge up a replacement for him at the minute but with some dead rubber games ahead we could at least trial the senior development options, I like the look of Lavin.

Losing three centres would hit the numbers a bit so we'd need at least one more body in there. I'd like to see Manu complete his final season with us but sadly doesn't look like it. Hopefully we can find a big lump without a club to slot into the squad there. TV is unreplaceable but if Tom Homer still hasn't got a deal he'd offer some experience at the back for a season.

We are low on numbers at loosehead as is. If Bateman goes we will definitely need a replacement and a loosehead specialist. I still think we need a final prop for the squad on top of that as well.

Homer would offer a goal kicking option at the back as well. Can't say I'm his biggest fan though. I'm not sure how Zach Henry is from the tee and if Reid leaves we will lose a reserve goal kicker. Hardwick is an excellent goa l kicker though and I hope he plays a lot this season both from 10 and 12. If Veainu leaves then an extension for Thompstone until the end of the postponed season at least might work.

In terms of centres I'd like to see Hardwick and Worth get time in the midfield whilst finishing off this season. Then McGinity could target replacements for the start of the 2020/21 season.

If Gigena is coming back then prop situation wouldn't be dire with Leatigaga able to play both sides, Genge re-signed and Cole unlikely to be with England. I'd take Logo back in a heartbeat as Bateman's replacement though. Oisin Heffernan (Notts) and Ben Betts (now at Donny) would be solid loan options from the Championship.

Taufua would be a huge loss.

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