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Post by Rinsure on Wed Dec 04, 2019 11:54 am

First topic message reminder :

So, the dates are announced for the Lions schedule in 18 months:

Sat July 3rd 2021: Stormers v Lions, Cape Town Stadium, Cape Town
Wed July 7th: South Africa Invitational v Lions, NMB Stadium, Port Elizabeth
Sat July 10th: Sharks v Lions, Jonsson Kings Park, Durban
Wed July 14th: South Africa 'A' v Lions, Mbombela Stadium, Nelspruit
Sat July 17th: Bulls v Lions, Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Sat July 24th: T1 Springboks v Lions, FNB National Stadium, Johannesburg
Sat July 31st: T2 Springboks v Lions, Cape Town Stadium, Cape Town
Sat Aug 7th: T3: Springboks v Lions, Emirates Airline Park (Ellis Park), Johannesburg

So, eight matches, three tests - two of which are at altitude. Tough schedule.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu May 21, 2020 1:12 pm

I actually think Watson is England's best fullback, but agree that he'd be best on the right wing for the Lions, to allow Hogg, Larmour or Williams to play 15.

I don't see space for Daly on this tour.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu May 21, 2020 1:49 pm

Daly is a talented player with a huge boot...and serious pace. Personally he has suffered for being moved around to much. he should have focused on his best position and stayed there.
However....

On these tours (even more so if finance states a reduced squad number) you need versatile players like him. He can play centre, wing and fb.
Gatland will take him.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu May 21, 2020 1:52 pm

Wouldn’t he just take one of Slade or Daly?

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu May 21, 2020 2:02 pm

I agree on the need for versatile players, but i think the back three is well covered with Williams, Larmour, Watson and Hogg (plus wing specialists like May, Adams, Stockdale and/or North). Both Williams and Watson also cover wing to a high standard. Assuming Gatland picks North, he's got a wing who can play centre, and in Farrell he's got a player equally comfortable at 10 and 12. Slade should also go, for me one of the best options at centre we have.

I just don't see a need for Daly, as we don't need cover at 15 or wing, and i don't think he's good enough at 13 at this level.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Thu May 21, 2020 2:13 pm

Well Daly wouldnt be in my England team if all were fit, so i do agree with you...but i just think things change with a lions selction.

Funnily enough im not sold on Slade yet. i think England have better 13's not in the squad such as Marchant etc I dont think he's hit the level we actually hoped he would, and has just become a solid average 13 not particularly outstanding at anything.

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Post by funnyExiledScot on Thu May 21, 2020 2:37 pm

I see Slade as a complete player, who can be both strike runner and creator. I rate him very highly, and think England have a real player there. The trick though is to find the best combination, and i dont think Slade works with Farrell at centre as well as he does with Tuilagi, whereas I feel that Farrell is better at 12 with Ford at 10.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu May 21, 2020 4:07 pm

I've had my fill with daly now. World cup final just cemented it. Lacks bottle.

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Post by cb on Thu May 21, 2020 4:31 pm

From a purely English perspective at outside center after Tuilagi there are two young prospects in Marchant and Lawrence.  Both Slade and Daly suffer from they versatility but I have always wondered why Slade was never tried at inside centre?

These players are in the frame for England but might not be in the match day squad for the Lions or even tour.

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Post by Old Man on Thu May 21, 2020 4:59 pm

You need specialists, for the most part, only a couple of versatile players is necessary.

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Post by Mr Bounce on Thu May 21, 2020 5:44 pm

cb wrote:From a purely English perspective at outside center after Tuilagi there are two young prospects in Marchant and Lawrence.  Both Slade and Daly suffer from they versatility but I have always wondered why Slade was never tried at inside centre?

These players are in the frame for England but might not be in the match day squad for the Lions or even tour.

I thought that Slade would have been a perfect 12 - however I think he's only been capped once or twice there, mainly due to both Burgess (on his first cap) and the Ford-Farrell axis. He is a fantastically talented player. He's no slouch but his outright pace isn't that of a winger. I always forget that he's actually quite a big lump being 6ft 2 and around 14 stone. I wonder if both Lancaster and Jones wanted him trialed for his club at 13 as they possibly saw him as a back up for the often injured Tuilagi. Once the Burgess experiment had gone wrong, Jones opted for Ford and Farrell, so Slade's need to be a 12 was less relevant. I think he will tour, but probably won't make the test team unless injuries occur.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri May 22, 2020 9:31 am

Slade should definately have focused on 12. Hugely missed opertunity there.

Marchant is a classy 13, and his stint in NZ should only help him. Lawrence looks a quality player. Runs some extremely inteligent lines etc but has the build of a mini Manu.

Certainly one to watch.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri May 22, 2020 11:19 am

Hes landed on 13 more by accident. Steenson obviously well bedded at 10 and at the time for exeter they had Hill who I think was being pushed for england to consider by some (possibly by you was it gf?). By the time Hill faded out slade was well set at 13 and now has Devoto there. For england obviously farrell and ford gas meant chances are more available at 13 too. Slade has all the skill set more suited to 12 though. Alot of the time its about that lucky or unlucky injury which can change a career.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri May 22, 2020 11:33 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Hes landed on 13 more by accident. Steenson obviously well bedded at 10 and at the time for exeter they had Hill who I think was being pushed for england to consider by some (possibly by you was it gf?). By the time Hill faded out slade was well set at 13 and now has Devoto there. For england obviously farrell and ford gas meant chances are more available at 13 too. Slade has all the skill set more suited to 12 though. Alot of the time its about that lucky or unlucky injury which can change a career.

Yes at the time Slade was a 10 coming through, and HIll was a young upcoming 12 who looked a great prospect.

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