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Post by LordDowlais Thu 07 Oct 2021, 11:24 am

So in 2027 Wales and Ireland will not be allowed to where their traditional red and green jerseys whilst they are playing each other to help people who are colour blind. Now I am all for helping the afflicted and the what not, but does this really impact on people watching a game of rugby ?

Please, I am happy for people to point out where I need educating on this, so please feel free. Is this now going to happen in snooker, where they will either have to change the cloth or the red balls ?

I'm sorry, but I am very perplexed with this. It's WOL so if you do not want to click on the link, you do not have to, but I will copy and paste the article for others to read:-

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rugby/rugby-news/world-rugby-ban-red-green-21778704

Wales and Ireland to be banned from wearing red and green against each other
Kit changes are incoming for teams who play in red or green as World Rugby seeks to help the eight per cent of fans who have some form of colour blindness

Wales and Ireland will be banned from playing each other in their traditional colours, with rugby lawmakers planning to introduce a rule change as a means to help colour blind supporters.

The change will be implemented for the 2027 Rugby World Cup, where red-green kit clashes will be banned to aid those who find it difficult to identify and distinguish between the colours.

Red-green colour blindness is the most common form of the condition and, according to the NHS, affects around one in 12 men and one in 200 women.

Of all the fixtures which will be affected by the change, the clash between Six Nations rivals Wales and Ireland is the most obvious.

Marc Douglas, a qualified engineer who serves as research turf and equipment manager for World Rugby, told i about the importance of engaging those supporters who struggle with colour blindness.

"From our perspective, if you’re potentially limiting eight per cent of your male audience, that’s a huge huge number of people who are suddenly switching off," he said.

The change will not only improve the experience for the thousands of fans either attending games or watching from home, but it will also aid players who are colour blind.

Colour Blind Awareness founder Kathryn Albany-Ward said Euro 2020 was "really good for colour blind people" and raising awareness, but World Rugby is taking action to alter its laws and effect change.

"Hopefully by the time Rugby World Cup 2027 comes round, this is the norm," added Douglas.

"An awful lot of people don’t realise that they’re colour blind because they see what they see day to day and they don’t know that people see any different.

"We’ve identified quite a few areas that we can be much better at."

There is hope that by implementing the change at World Cup level, rugby union may come to adopt the policy at all levels.

As yet though, there is no such plan in place for the 2022 Six Nations, given the tournament is run by a separate organisation.

What do you all think about this ?

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Post by The Oracle Thu 07 Oct 2021, 11:31 am

I think just one of Wales OR Ireland will need to change their kit to their away one whilst playing each other. No biggie.
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Post by LordDowlais Thu 07 Oct 2021, 11:39 am

The Oracle wrote:I think just one of Wales OR Ireland will need to change their kit to their away one whilst playing each other.  No biggie.

Would the red Welsh jersey clash with the green grass ?

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Post by RiscaGame Thu 07 Oct 2021, 11:47 am

I'm sure most people can differentiate between what is grass and what is a human being?

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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 07 Oct 2021, 12:01 pm

I read this as a positive. Not something I've considered despite working for a manager once who required this taking into account. Good on them for me, not a biggy given it gives them the chance to showcase some more shirts to sell.

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Post by Old Man Thu 07 Oct 2021, 12:25 pm

I see no issue with this.

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Post by TightHEAD Thu 07 Oct 2021, 12:33 pm

Yes its ridiculous. how many years has this not been an issue. Whats next??????
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Post by The Oracle Thu 07 Oct 2021, 1:28 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think just one of Wales OR Ireland will need to change their kit to their away one whilst playing each other.  No biggie.

Would the red Welsh jersey clash with the green grass ?


picard Why do you do this to yourself?!
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Post by LordDowlais Thu 07 Oct 2021, 1:34 pm

The Oracle wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think just one of Wales OR Ireland will need to change their kit to their away one whilst playing each other.  No biggie.

Would the red Welsh jersey clash with the green grass ?


picard  Why do you do this to yourself?!

What ?

They are saying that Wales red jersey will clash with Irelands green jerseys, why wouldn't they clash with the grass thats the same colour ? I reckon this all could be sorted by changing the colour of their shorts. Put black socks and shorts on one of the teams, but let them keep to colours that represent them. There lots of different types of colour blindness, which I full am sympathetic to, but where will it end ?

Before long we will just have two colour jerseys for anyone.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Thu 07 Oct 2021, 1:43 pm

'Before long we will just have two colour jerseys for anyone.'

No. We won't.

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Post by profitius Thu 07 Oct 2021, 1:44 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Yes its ridiculous. how many years has this not been an issue. Whats next??????


It's not an issue for most people but it is an issue for a large group of people. I know someone who stopped watching some matches because of it.
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Post by Old Man Thu 07 Oct 2021, 1:47 pm

Even people that are not colour blind often complain about matches where jerseys clash, we had it during the first test of Australia vs Argentina.

When SA plays Ireland one of the two teams wear a white jersey, there is no issue with it.

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Post by The Oracle Thu 07 Oct 2021, 1:58 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think just one of Wales OR Ireland will need to change their kit to their away one whilst playing each other.  No biggie.

Would the red Welsh jersey clash with the green grass ?


picard  Why do you do this to yourself?!

What ?

They are saying that Wales red jersey will clash with Irelands green jerseys, why wouldn't they clash with the grass thats the same colour ? I reckon this all could be sorted by changing the colour of their shorts. Put black socks and shorts on one of the teams, but let them keep to colours that represent them. There lots of different types of colour blindness, which I full am sympathetic to, but where will it end ?

Before long we will just have two colour jerseys for anyone.

It might clash with the grass if they were playing statues or lying down playing dead. But they are moving, so not an issue. People who suffer with red/green colour blindness (8% of rugby fans according to the article) can’t differentiate between the two teams if one is wearing red and one wearing green as they see them as the same colour. So 30 players seemingly on the same team. They can differentiate between stationary grass which is lying there doing nothing and a human who is moving and has a head and legs attached to the jersey.

How many clashes are there between a team in red and a team in green at International level? 2 per year perhaps? Not hard to change a strip for that. Might actually justify the existence of the Wales change strips then, and perhaps even shift a few more units in the shops.
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Post by dummy_half Fri 08 Oct 2021, 9:55 am

Anyone old enough to remember watching Wales v Ireland on black and white TV? At the time, the France kit was also a similar shade of grey, so three teams clashed to the TV audience, but no-one suggested change strips.

Not saying there isn't a reason for one side to use the change strip if it is going to make things easier for some spectators, but it seems odd that this is something that doesn't appear to have been a significant issue for decades.

Maybe time to adopt an NFL style policy of one team always wearing white and the other their home colours.

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Post by PhilBB Fri 08 Oct 2021, 10:05 am

Is somebody deleting posts here?

I love the attitude of 'I'm ok, so let's not change to improve things for others'. Very Tory.
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Post by The Oracle Fri 08 Oct 2021, 10:23 am

dummy_half wrote:Anyone old enough to remember watching Wales v Ireland on black and white TV? At the time, the France kit was also a similar shade of grey, so three teams clashed to the TV audience, but no-one suggested change strips.

Not saying there isn't a reason for one side to use the change strip if it is going to make things easier for some spectators, but it seems odd that this is something that doesn't appear to have been a significant issue for decades.

Maybe time to adopt an NFL style policy of one team always wearing white and the other their home colours.

I think that just shows that we've progressed over the years and are a bit more inclusive and conscious of accessibility now Smile

For me it's just such a non-issue and such a small thing to do, especially as they have different colour strips just waiting in a cupboard to be used. They're not asking much.
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Post by RiscaGame Fri 08 Oct 2021, 12:45 pm

PhilBB wrote:Is somebody deleting posts here?

I love the attitude of 'I'm ok, so let's not change to improve things for others'. Very Tory.

I did. I deleted a post yesterday, having a direct pop at you, so there has to be consistency.

This post is a bit more along the lines of what I would consider acceptable.

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Post by PhilBB Fri 08 Oct 2021, 1:20 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
PhilBB wrote:Is somebody deleting posts here?

I love the attitude of 'I'm ok, so let's not change to improve things for others'. Very Tory.

I did. I deleted a post yesterday, having a direct pop at you, so there has to be consistency.

This post is a bit more along the lines of what I would consider acceptable.

You don't need to delete such posts on my behalf.
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Post by RiscaGame Fri 08 Oct 2021, 1:30 pm

I accept that you're pretty thick skinned, yes.

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Post by PhilBB Fri 08 Oct 2021, 1:39 pm

RiscaGame wrote:I accept that you're pretty thick skinned, yes.

True. But not as thick or as thick skinned as a Tory, in all fairness.
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Post by nlpnlp Sun 10 Oct 2021, 12:03 am

PhilBB wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:I accept that you're pretty thick skinned, yes.

True. But not as thick or as thick skinned as a Tory, in all fairness.

YAWN.....handbags at dawn time. This is a rugby site not 'insta'.

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Post by Irish Londoner Mon 11 Oct 2021, 1:19 pm

The obvious solution is that Wales wear green and Ireland wear red? Very Happy

Presumably the same thing happens when Wales play South Africa or Australia who also wear variations on green?

One side could wear an all black strip, it's not like anyone in world rugby (or a least a corner of it) would get worked up over that, is there?  Run

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Post by Old Man Mon 11 Oct 2021, 1:22 pm

laughing

Yeah, shouldn't be an issue

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Post by The Oracle Mon 11 Oct 2021, 2:17 pm

Irish Londoner wrote:The obvious solution is that Wales wear green and Ireland wear red? Very Happy

Presumably the same thing happens when Wales play South Africa or Australia who also wear variations on green?

One side could wear an all black strip, it's not like anyone in world rugby (or a least a corner of it) would get worked up over that, is there?  Run


Haha! I remember a few years back Neath RFC in Wales, who have always been know as the Welsh All Blacks (for 123 years apparently, according to the link below), were told they'd need to go to court with New Zealand if they wanted to continue to use the nickname. Felt a bit pathetic to me at the time, and not really in the spirit of the game. I understand trademarks, etc. but who trademarks a colour?! Blues, All Whites (Swansea), etc. Just colours.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2003/apr/15/rugbyunion.paulrees

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Post by Irish Londoner Tue 12 Oct 2021, 9:32 am

I  believe that at one point Ralph Lauren wanted to trademark the words "Rugby" and "Rugby Shirt", but yes it was the Neath case along with the "outrage" when England wore an all black change strip at the RWC that I was thinking of.

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Post by thebandwagonsociety Tue 12 Oct 2021, 11:46 am

Quite a bit of mileage out of a WOL article. All I read it as is the WRU want to get more matches where they can wear their away strip in order to boost jersey sales and knowing that their cabal will revolt against any change want to wrap it around a world rugby directive or political correctness to mask their motives.

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Post by The Oracle Tue 12 Oct 2021, 12:53 pm

thebandwagonsociety wrote:Quite a bit of mileage out of a WOL article. All I read it as is the WRU want to get more matches where they can wear their away strip in order to boost jersey sales and knowing that their cabal will revolt against any change want to wrap it around a world rugby directive or political correctness to mask their motives.

Hmmm. OK I'll bite: It's got nothing to do with Wales, apart from them wearing one of the colours in question. This has come from World Rugby (or IRB as I still think of them). Although I suspect you already knew that Very Happy
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Post by RiscaGame Tue 12 Oct 2021, 3:18 pm

Had to remove one derogatory post, that contradicts rule 2 of site rules. Because of that, I had to remove the quoted post that followed, although there was nothing wrong with that response.

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Post by No9 Yesterday at 1:04 pm

dummy_half wrote:Anyone old enough to remember watching Wales v Ireland on black and white TV? At the time, the France kit was also a similar shade of grey, so three teams clashed to the TV audience, but no-one suggested change strips.

I remember watching Wales v Scotland in the 70s on a black and white TV, and the late great Bill McLaren saying "for those of you watching in black and white, Wales have white tops on their socks".. after 20 mins of playing in the mud, you couldn't see the whites tops on the socks anymore.. Very Happy

I can understand how it would be a problem for the colour blind viewer, but not for a rugby fan, as the are other tell tale signs, such as direction of play, as well as being to identify a player. But I guess it comes back to the old argument of making the 6 Nations more marketable to increase revenue.

Red / Green is a real problem for colour blind people. My son is, and he can have difficulty seeing the difference between the "colours" of the Welsh and Irish shirts, but as I said, as he understands the game, its not too difficult to know who is who. If he was just a 6 Nations follower, who so many are these days, then maybe not understanding the game, as we on this forum do, it may become problematic and hence lose interest.

Of course, unless Wales change their away shirt to another colour instead of the usual Green variant, its not going to help much in this fixture, apart from increasing the sales of away shirts... AHHHH, now the cynic in me would suggest that may be the REAL reason for this... Whistle

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Post by propdavid_london Yesterday at 1:57 pm

There are other ways to differentiate teams -
But black hoops on one jersey and a diagonal one on the other.
One team could have the old Tigers Lettering instead of numbers.
Make the sponsorship logos bigger on the jerseys.

All could be incorporated into the kit design that would allow the core national colours to be retained.

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