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Post by The Oracle Sat 06 Nov 2021, 9:09 am

First topic message reminder :

A place to chat about everything ‘Wales’ going forward.

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First up: South Africa 6th November 2021

Wales: Johnny McNicholl; Louis Rees-Zammit, Jonathan Davies (capt), Nick Tompkins, Josh Adams; Dan Biggar, Tomos Williams; Rhys Carre, Ryan Elias, Tomas Francis, Will Rowlands, Adam Beard, Ellis Jenkins, Taine Basham, Aaron Wainwright.

Replacements: Bradley Roberts, Wyn Jones, WillGriff John, Ben Carter, Seb Davies, Gareth Davies, Gareth Anscombe, Liam Williams.

South Africa: Damian Willemse; Jesse Kriel, Lukhanyo Am, Damian de Allende, Makazole Mapimpi; Handre Pollard, Herschel Jantjies; Ox Nche, Bongi Mbonambi, Trevor Nyakane, Eben Etzebeth, Lood De Jager, Siya Kolisi (capt), Kwagga Smith, Duane Vermeulen.

Replacements: Malcolm Marx, Steven Kitshoff, Vincent Koch, Franco Mostert, Jasper Wiese, Cobus Reinach, Elton Jantjies, Frans Steyn.


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Post by The Oracle Sat 09 Jul 2022, 9:18 am

The more I think about it the more I feel Gareth Edwards’ comments about the Bok squad changes have really f**ed us over. Very irresponsible. The Boks will be even more fired up to prove a point. He’s done their pre-match speech for them. And for Wales it’s a no win situation. Lose and everyone will laugh and say the Boks were right to rotate, and that we can’t beat their 2nd side. Win and everyone will say it was only the Boks 2nd team.

Cheers, Gar!
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:10 pm

Anyone know how Hardy keeps his place?

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Post by Galted Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:13 pm

The Oracle wrote:The more I think about it the more I feel Gareth Edwards’ comments about the Bok squad changes have really f**ed us over. Very irresponsible. The Boks will be even more fired up to prove a point. He’s done their pre-match speech for them. And for Wales it’s a no win situation. Lose and everyone will laugh and say the Boks were right to rotate, and that we can’t beat their 2nd side. Win and everyone will say it was only the Boks 2nd team.

Cheers, Gar!

Not to worry, if they don't know who Phil Bennett was I'm sure they won't know who Gareth Edwards is.
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:16 pm

Lydiate and Hardy crap. Two I singled out last week, yet for some reason Pivac thinks they’re playing well.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:20 pm

Wales are playing so much better than in the 6n. Some nice handling and skills so far.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:21 pm

The forwards are generating some quick ball, something we complain about not happening often enough. Hardy is doing his best Rhys Webb impression and just leaving it there for minding.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:22 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Wales are playing so much better than in the 6n. Some nice handling and skills so far.

Don’t agree with that at all.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:33 pm

Elias isn’t throwing straight and not getting picked up. I suppose he will now I’ve mentioned it Smile.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:34 pm

Meh.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:41 pm

Wales are so poor with Pivac. Getting stretched by SA, and looking like they have no urgency.

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Post by Galted Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:46 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Wales are so poor with Pivac. Getting stretched by SA, and looking like they have no urgency.

The tryline hasn't looked like it's under too much threat though.
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:50 pm

Give SA time and a few replacements, I’m sure they’ll snuff some out. Jeez the back moves are so static. What happened to actually attacking the line…

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Post by tigertattie Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:57 pm

Jeebus. That was one hell of a half time hooter.

Bit OTT. The dog crapped itself!
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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Jul 2022, 4:59 pm

This is just terrible to watch. Frustrating, poor execution, and slow

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:04 pm

Old Man wrote:This is just terrible to watch. Frustrating, poor execution, and slow

I think you have a valid reason for that, but not us.

SA still have the much stronger bench. Pivac’s already started to use his half-injured replacements.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:12 pm

Marx on. I thought Dweba was decent, but SA are going for it.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:25 pm

Pivac has to take the blame for a lot of this, with his ongoing clueless selections. He’s reluctant to bring off Biggar because the 10 on the bench is in poor form.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:29 pm

Why did he take off Rowlands, one of our best players?

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:32 pm

Wonder if Pivac will blame this card for the loss Very Happy.

He didn’t touch it though, came off SA boot.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:34 pm

Exceptionally poor refereeing by Gardner

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:35 pm

Hate to say it but SA play fairly boring rugby lately. Some great players though.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:36 pm

Throws it 5 metres it still doesn’t go straight… I don’t think I’ve been this upset watching a Wales game! Think I’ll have to sign off now, have a good Saturday everyone.

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Post by Poorfour Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:38 pm

I’m not a big fan of players protesting to the ref, but that YC call merited a review. Nothing clear from the replay they showed, but the ref was on the other side and seemed very sure of the call so maybe he could see something we couldn’t.
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Post by lostinwales Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:50 pm

How is dad's army doing against the Boks?

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Post by Galted Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:54 pm

lostinwales wrote:How is dad's army doing against the Boks?

It's like watching an arm-wrestle when both combatants have fallen asleep.
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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 5:59 pm

Great win Wales, in Bloemfontein too. Thoroughly deserved too.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:01 pm

A win for Scotland today would top off a good day for the 6n.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:01 pm

Well done Wales. Terrible rugby by the Boks. Stupid penalties, lateral running, just very poor

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Post by tigertattie Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:02 pm

Well done wales for the win

Not the most free flowing entertaining games of rugby but hey, makes the series go to a decider
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Post by chris_501 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:02 pm

Great character in both tests, but who would have thought we would take this to the final test!

Brilliant result!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:04 pm

The sky sports make up dept need to go on a training course. Scary.

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Post by chris_501 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:08 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:The sky sports make up dept need to go on a training course. Scary.

Adam Jones can’t help it!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:11 pm

Ha Adam Jones is probably the least scary part. Decent pundit.

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Post by formerly known as Sam Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:13 pm

Poorfour wrote:I’m not a big fan of players protesting to the ref, but that YC call merited a review. Nothing clear from the replay they showed, but the ref was on the other side and seemed very sure of the call so maybe he could see something we couldn’t.

I had a stream with the SA commentary and they thought he was hard done by. Didn't see the first half but caught the SA half time chat and the only Welsh player mentioned was Reffell so I presume he was his usual menace.

Well done Wales great result and three wins in the SH for NH teams today. SANZAR defeated at home on the same day, when did that last happen?

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Post by lostinwales Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:13 pm

Well done. A good day for the NH so far

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Post by The Oracle Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:16 pm

Yeehaw! C’mon! So pleased Smile

Not pretty but a win is a win Smile So very rare in SA (or any of the SH big 3 for us) so we must cherish it.
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Post by protea438 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:42 pm

Old Man wrote:Well done Wales. Terrible rugby by the Boks. Stupid penalties, lateral running, just very poor

Relax they won by 1 point, stop trying to make out Wales was dominating the game they werent.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:48 pm

protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:Well done Wales. Terrible rugby by the Boks. Stupid penalties, lateral running, just very poor

Relax they won by 1 point, stop trying to make out Wales was dominating the game they werent.

You need to wake up Protea, I never said Wales dominated anything, in fact the Boks dominated and couldn't shoot a fish in a barrel. nienaber's tactics is getting worse and worse by the season.

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Post by protea438 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 6:55 pm

Old Man wrote:
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Old Man wrote:Well done Wales. Terrible rugby by the Boks. Stupid penalties, lateral running, just very poor

Relax they won by 1 point, stop trying to make out Wales was dominating the game they werent.

You need to wake up Protea, I never said Wales dominated anything, in fact the Boks dominated and couldn't shoot a fish in a barrel. nienaber's tactics is getting worse and worse by the season.

Typical moan and groan Bok 'supporter' and I use the term supporter extremely loosely. Just do everyone a favour and dont support them. As bad as those god awful South African All Black supporters. Keep sucking up to the Northern Hemisphere teams its embarrassing

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 7:08 pm

Cmon old man. Blindly follow the team and don't express true opinions on social media merely follow a designated script.

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Post by Galted Sat 09 Jul 2022, 7:17 pm

protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:
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Old Man wrote:Well done Wales. Terrible rugby by the Boks. Stupid penalties, lateral running, just very poor

Relax they won by 1 point, stop trying to make out Wales was dominating the game they werent.

You need to wake up Protea, I never said Wales dominated anything, in fact the Boks dominated and couldn't shoot a fish in a barrel. nienaber's tactics is getting worse and worse by the season.

Typical moan and groan Bok 'supporter' and I use the term supporter extremely loosely. Just do everyone a favour and dont support them. As bad as those god awful South African All Black supporters. Keep sucking up to the Northern Hemisphere teams its embarrassing

Don't think you can blame anyone for being fed up with that dross or with the lone tactic of Nienaber.  Seems to be another de Villiers wasting decent players with hoof and grind turgidity.
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Post by RiscaGame Sat 09 Jul 2022, 7:50 pm

protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:Well done Wales. Terrible rugby by the Boks. Stupid penalties, lateral running, just very poor

Relax they won by 1 point, stop trying to make out Wales was dominating the game they werent.

If you want to stop being an idiot constantly, it would be great. You won via a try off a legitimate turnover penalty last week. I would love to not have to highlight this, as people like Old Man don’t deserve it. I knew I would come on and you would be on here being an idiot again.

SA should be beating the 9th best team in the world 3-0. SA Supporters should question the two tests, as much as Welsh people should question Wales’ inconsistencies and our lack of ambition generally.

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Post by Old Man Sat 09 Jul 2022, 8:20 pm

Don't bother Risca, Protea is one of those SA supporters that cannot accept criticism on the Boks from other SA supporters.

Before the start of this series I said to the Welsh supporters Nienaber doesn't play a "lets put the opposition away" gameplan.

And this match is a prime example of that.

Dominate every facet of play, but makes the most stupid errors and simply play poor rugby.

Every match we play is a close afair unecessarily.

Same thing happened last year. Lost a number of matches in the last minute.

It infuriates me that since 2010 our game has not evolved.

But alas, I amnot allowed to say anything.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 8:22 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
protea438 wrote:
Old Man wrote:Well done Wales. Terrible rugby by the Boks. Stupid penalties, lateral running, just very poor

Relax they won by 1 point, stop trying to make out Wales was dominating the game they werent.

If you want to stop being an idiot constantly, it would be great. You won via a try off a legitimate turnover penalty last week. I would love to not have to highlight this, as people like Old Man don’t deserve it. I knew I would come on and you would be on here being an idiot again.

SA should be beating the 9th best team in the world 3-0. SA Supporters should question the two tests, as much as Welsh people should question Wales’ inconsistencies and our lack of ambition generally.
To be fair from the tactics it certainly looked like they were aiming for a 1 penalty win.

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Post by doctor_grey Sat 09 Jul 2022, 8:36 pm

Congrats to Wales. Doesn't matter who the opposition is, to pull out a last minute winner like that at the end of a real tough hair's-breadth match is superb!

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 9:07 pm

Thanks to Wales France are now the world number 1 side. SA 2 and Ireland 3.

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Post by Collapse2005 Sat 09 Jul 2022, 9:11 pm

Scotland also on track to make it a clean sweep today for the six nations sides.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 10 Jul 2022, 1:14 am

No more than Wales deserved, after last week's heart break. Congratulations.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sun 10 Jul 2022, 8:19 am

That was some kick by Anscombe at the end. Typical restart from us right after though. The last scrum could have done with a reset but Gardner was probably reluctant after his YC blunder.

I think we’re playing their U20s today?

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Post by LordDowlais Sun 10 Jul 2022, 8:21 am

mikey_dragon wrote:That was some kick by Anscombe at the end. Typical restart from us right after though. The last scrum could have done with a reset but Gardner was probably reluctant after his YC blunder.

I think we’re playing their U20s today?

I thought South Africa could have had a penalty from that kick off, but instead the ref gave the scrum for a knock on.

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