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European Pools
From the BBC:
'Exeter, Harlequins and London Irish all face trips to South African sides, included in the competition for the first time, in the pool stages of the 2022-23 Heineken Champions Cup.
In Pool A Exeter face Pretoria-based Bulls and French side Castres, while Harlequins face Durban-based Sharks and Racing 92 of Paris.
In Pool B London Irish take on United Rugby Championship winners Stormers and French champions Montpellier, while defending champions La Rochelle meet Northampton and Ulster.
The French side beat Leinster in May to win the competition for the first time.
Wales' only Champions Cup representatives, Ospreys, will face the champions of France and England, Montpellier and Leicester, in Pool B.
Edinburgh meet Castres and Saracens.
Champions Cup organisers have said the inclusion of the three South African sides will bring "a new level of elite rugby".
Two other South African sides, Lions and Cheetahs, will play in the second-tier Challenge Cup.
Worcester will travel to South Africa to face the Johannesburg-based Lions.
Bath have arguably the toughest draw of England's five Challenge Cup representatives, facing Toulon and Glasgow.
How it works
The Champions Cup is the top-tier competition for clubs from England's Premiership, France's Top 14 and the United Rugby Championship, in which sides from Ireland, Italy, Scotland, Wales and South Africa compete.
The 2022-23 Champions and Challenge Cup season will be played over eight weekends, with four rounds of matches in the pool stage and the opening round of fixtures in both competitions taking place on the weekend of 9-11 December.
In the new format, each team has been drawn to face two opponents, home and away. However, those two opponents do not in turn face each other in a closed mini-league of three; they have their own two teams to face. So, in the draw set out below, Castres will play Exeter and Edinburgh home and away, but Exeter will face Castres and Bulls, Bulls will face Exeter and Lyon, and so on.
The organiser European Professional Club Rugby sets out the rationale for which sides are drawn together here.
At the end of the four rounds of pool games, the top eight teams in each pool progress to a last-16 stage, followed by quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals - which will be played at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin - the Challenge Cup decider on Friday 19 May and the Champions Cup final the following day.
Champions Cup
POOL A
Castres Olympique v Exeter Chiefs and Edinburgh Rugby
Saracens v Lyon and Edinburgh Rugby
Bulls v Lyon and Exeter Chiefs
Bordeaux-Bègles v Gloucester and Sharks
Harlequins v Racing 92 and Sharks
Leinster v Racing 92 and Gloucester
Racing 92 v Harlequins and Leinster Rugby
Gloucester v Bordeaux-Begles and Leinster
Sharks v Bordeaux-Bègles and Harlequins
Lyon v Saracens and Bulls
Exeter Chiefs v Castres and Bulls
Edinburgh v Castres and Saracens
POOL B
Montpellier v London Irish and Ospreys
Leicester Tigers v Clermont Auvergne and Ospreys
Stormers v Clermont Auvergne and London Irish
Toulouse v Sale Sharks and Munster
Northampton Saints v La Rochelle and Munster
Ulster v La Rochelle and Sale Sharks
La Rochelle v Northampton and Ulster
Sale Sharks v Toulouse and Ulster
Munster v Toulouse and Northampton
Clermont Auvergne v Leicester and Stormers
London Irish v Montpellier and Stormers
Ospreys v Montpellier and Leicester
Challenge Cup
POOL A
Glasgow Warriors v Perpignan and Bath
Toulon v Zebre and Bath
Bristol v Zebre and Perpignan
Connacht v Brive and Newcastle
Cardiff v Brive and Newcastle
Brive v Connacht and Cardiff
Newcatle v Connacht and Cardiff
Perpignan v Bristol and Glasgow Warriors
Zebre v Bristol and Toulon
Bath v Toulon and Glasgow Warriors
POOL B
Scarlets, Bayonne and Cheetahs
Pau v Dragons and Cheetahs
Wasps v Dragons and Bayonne
Lions v Stade Francais and Worcester Warriors
Benetton v Stade Francais and Worcester Warriors
Stade Francais v Lions and Benetton
Worcester Warriors v Lions and Benetton
Dragons v Pau and Wasps
Toulon v Scarlets and Wasps
Cheetahs v Scarlets and Pau'
'Exeter, Harlequins and London Irish all face trips to South African sides, included in the competition for the first time, in the pool stages of the 2022-23 Heineken Champions Cup.
In Pool A Exeter face Pretoria-based Bulls and French side Castres, while Harlequins face Durban-based Sharks and Racing 92 of Paris.
In Pool B London Irish take on United Rugby Championship winners Stormers and French champions Montpellier, while defending champions La Rochelle meet Northampton and Ulster.
The French side beat Leinster in May to win the competition for the first time.
Wales' only Champions Cup representatives, Ospreys, will face the champions of France and England, Montpellier and Leicester, in Pool B.
Edinburgh meet Castres and Saracens.
Champions Cup organisers have said the inclusion of the three South African sides will bring "a new level of elite rugby".
Two other South African sides, Lions and Cheetahs, will play in the second-tier Challenge Cup.
Worcester will travel to South Africa to face the Johannesburg-based Lions.
Bath have arguably the toughest draw of England's five Challenge Cup representatives, facing Toulon and Glasgow.
How it works
The Champions Cup is the top-tier competition for clubs from England's Premiership, France's Top 14 and the United Rugby Championship, in which sides from Ireland, Italy, Scotland, Wales and South Africa compete.
The 2022-23 Champions and Challenge Cup season will be played over eight weekends, with four rounds of matches in the pool stage and the opening round of fixtures in both competitions taking place on the weekend of 9-11 December.
In the new format, each team has been drawn to face two opponents, home and away. However, those two opponents do not in turn face each other in a closed mini-league of three; they have their own two teams to face. So, in the draw set out below, Castres will play Exeter and Edinburgh home and away, but Exeter will face Castres and Bulls, Bulls will face Exeter and Lyon, and so on.
The organiser European Professional Club Rugby sets out the rationale for which sides are drawn together here.
At the end of the four rounds of pool games, the top eight teams in each pool progress to a last-16 stage, followed by quarter-finals, semi-finals and finals - which will be played at the Aviva Stadium in Dublin - the Challenge Cup decider on Friday 19 May and the Champions Cup final the following day.
Champions Cup
POOL A
Castres Olympique v Exeter Chiefs and Edinburgh Rugby
Saracens v Lyon and Edinburgh Rugby
Bulls v Lyon and Exeter Chiefs
Bordeaux-Bègles v Gloucester and Sharks
Harlequins v Racing 92 and Sharks
Leinster v Racing 92 and Gloucester
Racing 92 v Harlequins and Leinster Rugby
Gloucester v Bordeaux-Begles and Leinster
Sharks v Bordeaux-Bègles and Harlequins
Lyon v Saracens and Bulls
Exeter Chiefs v Castres and Bulls
Edinburgh v Castres and Saracens
POOL B
Montpellier v London Irish and Ospreys
Leicester Tigers v Clermont Auvergne and Ospreys
Stormers v Clermont Auvergne and London Irish
Toulouse v Sale Sharks and Munster
Northampton Saints v La Rochelle and Munster
Ulster v La Rochelle and Sale Sharks
La Rochelle v Northampton and Ulster
Sale Sharks v Toulouse and Ulster
Munster v Toulouse and Northampton
Clermont Auvergne v Leicester and Stormers
London Irish v Montpellier and Stormers
Ospreys v Montpellier and Leicester
Challenge Cup
POOL A
Glasgow Warriors v Perpignan and Bath
Toulon v Zebre and Bath
Bristol v Zebre and Perpignan
Connacht v Brive and Newcastle
Cardiff v Brive and Newcastle
Brive v Connacht and Cardiff
Newcatle v Connacht and Cardiff
Perpignan v Bristol and Glasgow Warriors
Zebre v Bristol and Toulon
Bath v Toulon and Glasgow Warriors
POOL B
Scarlets, Bayonne and Cheetahs
Pau v Dragons and Cheetahs
Wasps v Dragons and Bayonne
Lions v Stade Francais and Worcester Warriors
Benetton v Stade Francais and Worcester Warriors
Stade Francais v Lions and Benetton
Worcester Warriors v Lions and Benetton
Dragons v Pau and Wasps
Toulon v Scarlets and Wasps
Cheetahs v Scarlets and Pau'
No 7&1/2- Posts : 31374
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Has there ever been less hype for European pool fixtures? This completely passed me by, such a shame what is happening to this great competition.
LeinsterFan4life- Posts : 6174
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Just stop watching if you don't like it then. No skin off anyones nose.
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LeinsterFan4life wrote:Has there ever been less hype for European pool fixtures? This completely passed me by, such a shame what is happening to this great competition.
Have to admit the old Heineken cup was my fave, but what don’t you like about this one?
Wonder if Ospreys and Leicester can reignite that old passion they once had…
mikey_dragon- Posts : 15585
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Lot of rose tinted glasses.
Under the old format teams gave up after three defeats, the French gave up after two defeats (or in the case of Castres after one defeat)
This led to lots of very boring dead rubbers.
I can recall seasons where there was not one interesting Round 6 match
The new format is much better
Under the old format teams gave up after three defeats, the French gave up after two defeats (or in the case of Castres after one defeat)
This led to lots of very boring dead rubbers.
I can recall seasons where there was not one interesting Round 6 match
The new format is much better
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Gee. London Irish are really screwed. La Rochelle is really super-screwed.No 7&1/2 wrote:In Pool B London Irish take on United Rugby Championship winners Stormers and French champions Montpellier, while defending champions La Rochelle meet Northampton and Ulster.
doctor_grey- Posts : 12280
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doctor_grey wrote:Gee. London Irish are really screwed. La Rochelle is really super-screwed.No 7&1/2 wrote:In Pool B London Irish take on United Rugby Championship winners Stormers and French champions Montpellier, while defending champions La Rochelle meet Northampton and Ulster.
Yikes, that's a rotten draw for LI. Montpellier can be hit and miss as to whether they turn up.
La Rochelle Vs Ulster will be a tasty couple of games, Vs Saints as well actually there'll be lots of tries but I'd expect La Rochelle's pack to bully Saints into submission eventually.
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No, no, no. I have that covered. I live in New Jersey, home of the late Tony Soprano. I know some guys who will, ahem, help La Rochelle work on their 'breathing techniques'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-vxHIyZ_dkformerly known as Sam wrote:doctor_grey wrote:Gee. London Irish are really screwed. La Rochelle is really super-screwed.No 7&1/2 wrote:In Pool B London Irish take on United Rugby Championship winners Stormers and French champions Montpellier, while defending champions La Rochelle meet Northampton and Ulster.
Yikes, that's a rotten draw for LI. Montpellier can be hit and miss as to whether they turn up.
La Rochelle Vs Ulster will be a tasty couple of games, Vs Saints as well actually there'll be lots of tries but I'd expect La Rochelle's pack to bully Saints into submission eventually.
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Let's have no complaining about tournaments and formats, please, as it devalues the competition!
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No 7&1/2 wrote:Just stop watching if you don't like it then. No skin off anyones nose.
I don't think he's saying "the competition sucks"
I think he's saying "This is a great competition, why isn't there much publicity about it"
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That's a good point - In the macro view, I agree there was very little pub about the draws. Rugby needs to make these types of events big events. Just like the NFL player draft - that is now must-watch tv (for the Yanks). Or their college basketball tournament draw shows which always draw good tv ratings. But their true value is the attention it brings to the leagues or competitions. The selection shows draw commercials and adverts which means the leagues are being paid to advertise their sports and comps. Wild, eh?tigertattie wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:Just stop watching if you don't like it then. No skin off anyones nose.
I don't think he's saying "the competition sucks"
I think he's saying "This is a great competition, why isn't there much publicity about it"
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tigertattie wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:Just stop watching if you don't like it then. No skin off anyones nose.
I don't think he's saying "the competition sucks"
I think he's saying "This is a great competition, why isn't there much publicity about it"
The pools were announced and then reported on...and then I created this article. Can't have been that much later. What does he want Bill Beaumont to come and knock on is door?
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Exactly. I attended the Toulose game in the Aviva a couple months back and loved it. I just fear where the competition is going.tigertattie wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:Just stop watching if you don't like it then. No skin off anyones nose.
I don't think he's saying "the competition sucks"
I think he's saying "This is a great competition, why isn't there much publicity about it"
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I don't like the European Pools at all. Seems every time I find myself in a hotel in Europe the pool is always dirty, smelly, or otherwise unclean.LeinsterFan4life wrote:Exactly. I attended the Toulose game in the Aviva a couple months back and loved it. I just fear where the competition is going.tigertattie wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:Just stop watching if you don't like it then. No skin off anyones nose.
I don't think he's saying "the competition sucks"
I think he's saying "This is a great competition, why isn't there much publicity about it"
doctor_grey- Posts : 12280
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doctor_grey wrote:That's a good point - In the macro view, I agree there was very little pub about the draws. Rugby needs to make these types of events big events. Just like the NFL player draft - that is now must-watch tv (for the Yanks). Or their college basketball tournament draw shows which always draw good tv ratings. But their true value is the attention it brings to the leagues or competitions. The selection shows draw commercials and adverts which means the leagues are being paid to advertise their sports and comps. Wild, eh?tigertattie wrote:No 7&1/2 wrote:Just stop watching if you don't like it then. No skin off anyones nose.
I don't think he's saying "the competition sucks"
I think he's saying "This is a great competition, why isn't there much publicity about it"
The Champions Cup is a great competition but could do with more publicity. The Challenge Cup could be a great competition with more publicity and money. Getting additional monies from coverage of draws etc. would be excellent. I can think of little worse than watching such a show, but if others want to then the more the better.
I hate the conferences and the reduced number of pool games, but there is already too much rugby being played so I need to accept what is on offer and embrace the intensity and quality of the rugby that is on view. Hating some of the competition structure won't stop me enjoying the games that are played (the same can be said of the URC).
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The biggest issue I have with it is that sides that don't qualify for the knock out stages getting parachuted in to the challenge cup. For me surely the whole point is to have sides in both tournaments progressing on merit. Allowing teams who simply are not good enough in the Champions Cup to qualify for the knockouts in the challenge cup is just a slap in the face to all the teams in the challenge cup.
Going to be a rough year in the Champions cup for Premiership sides, anyone else think the same? Not sure which Premiership sides looking at those fixtures have a realistic chance of making the knock out stages. Whatever the number is will be better than us Welsh as I don't see the Ospreys making it to the knockouts either.
Going to be a rough year in the Champions cup for Premiership sides, anyone else think the same? Not sure which Premiership sides looking at those fixtures have a realistic chance of making the knock out stages. Whatever the number is will be better than us Welsh as I don't see the Ospreys making it to the knockouts either.
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I'd always fancy Saracens. Harlequins can beat anyone and I wouldn't think that Exeter will be as bad.
Leicester seem to have a great system, how quickly can the new guys replace their best 2 players this year in Genge and Ford though?
Leicester seem to have a great system, how quickly can the new guys replace their best 2 players this year in Genge and Ford though?
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No 7&1/2 wrote:I'd always fancy Saracens. Harlequins can beat anyone and I wouldn't think that Exeter will be as bad.
Leicester seem to have a great system, how quickly can the new guys replace their best 2 players this year in Genge and Ford though?
I'd probably give Saracens a decent shout but their record against Edinburgh hasn't be great of late. Plus Lyon have a far bigger budget squad. They could win games here.
Harlequins haven't got a hope in hell. Racing and Sharks have way to much for them in my opinion and I would have thought they will lose both away fixtures and could lose both home games as well although I reckon they probably would beat Sharks at home. Not enough to get through though.
Exeter have basically been gutted in the off season. They don't look like they have anywhere near the depth they had when they won the European Cup. Think both Bulls and Castres are way to much for them. Again reckon they will probably lose 3 out of 4.
Reckon realistically Leicester are probably the only real qualifier as I'd imagine they will do the Ospreys on both legs and probably win one of the games against Clermont.
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Saracens will be looking to win the tournament let alone making it through.
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