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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:07 am

First topic message reminder :

We're now just over a fortnight out from the qualifying round, and team news is ever changing around the teams in the tournament.

Unfortunately today Jasprit Bumrah has been ruled out of the tournament (and a while after) with a back injury. Big blow to India that one, and a World Cup with no Archer/Bumrah (arguably the two best t20 fast bowlers in the world) is a huge shame
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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:38 am

Wheels coming off SA ...not easy in the damp conditions but howling and fielding struggling against this attack...relief as Shadab is eventually caught : but 190 is still "on" from here...

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Post by Pal Joey Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:42 am

Some great catches as well as the unfortunate drop from Markram. And now an absolute screamer from Rossouw!
Not easy out there in the rain... or drizzle. Feels cold here too after the Polar Blast of the last few days


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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:43 am

Crazy game , eh ? Suddenly three caught in three balls ! That last a truly excellent catch by Roussow.

Trimmed it back a bit...still a good total . 185 will not be easy to chase...

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Post by KP_fan Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:44 am

Frenetic, Spirited and Enjoyable from pak
It will be a miracle if SA win this
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Post by eirebilly_01 Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:47 am

Ah here now, that was some performance from Pakistan. Mad batting and really took it to the SA attack. This will be very difficult for SA.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu Nov 03, 2022 6:52 am

That was fantastic fun
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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 am

The rain has really messed with these games. SA well behind on DLS now despite having a better score at the nine over mark .

TBH I reckon they are up against it anyway...but if they can't get back on Pakistan are home and still alive in the group.

Last round could be very interesting...

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:49 am

Another odd innings from Pakistan with the openers yet again not setting a platform, but it appears not to have mattered as Shadab and Iftikhar were superb. No team should be chasing 180+ at this tournament and it doesn't look like SA will, further hampered by Miller being injured.

Wouldn't be the worst game for SA to lose as it puts them in line for a SF v NZ, rather than Eng/Aus.


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Post by KP_fan Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:53 am

alfie wrote:The rain has really messed with these games. SA well behind on DLS now despite having a better score at the nine over mark .

TBH I reckon they are up against it anyway...but if they  can't get back on Pakistan are home and still alive in the group.

Last round could be very interesting...

Assuming Pak will beat BD they will end up with 6 points
and unless SA lose to Ned or game gets rained out, SA will be with 7 points
and unless Ind loses to Zim, pak will be left lurching with 6 point , with Ind and 8 and SA at 7

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:56 am

Apparently if the game gets reduced to 10 overs, SA will need 29 off 6 balls. Laugh

Not quite 21 off 1...

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:01 am

KP_fan wrote:
alfie wrote:The rain has really messed with these games. SA well behind on DLS now despite having a better score at the nine over mark .

TBH I reckon they are up against it anyway...but if they  can't get back on Pakistan are home and still alive in the group.

Last round could be very interesting...

Assuming Pak will beat BD they will end up with 6 points
and unless SA lose to Ned or game gets rained out, SA will be with 7 points
and unless Ind loses to Zim, pak will be left lurching with 6 point , with Ind and 8 and SA at 7


Yeah I think SA are fine ...not likely to lose to Netherlands. India however can't be sure of beating Zimbabwe so Pakistan (whose NRR is improved a lot tonight) will still hope. Of course they're hardly guaranteed to defeat Bangladesh...

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:36 am

SA requested to try and bash 73 more runs off five overs, with not much batting in reserve.

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:37 am

Duty281 wrote:SA requested to try and bash 73 more runs off five overs, with not much batting in reserve.

Surprised they're back on. 73 in five ? Good luck with that...

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:42 am

Anyway , SA have nothing to lose ...can just have a swing. Unless they actually lose to the Dutch they are safe (even with a washout) so can treat this as a training exercise.

Good start from Stubbs thumbsup

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:44 am

14 off the first...game on?

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:49 am

These two striking rather well... As I say , they can play with freedom so it's Pakistan under pressure here . Still got a lot to do...

Wicket !

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Post by eirebilly_01 Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:52 am

Stubbs is a bit like Tim Davis for Australia. I just do not get them...

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:56 am

A fantastic over from Wasim, after a good catch earlier, has surely closed it out.

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:57 am

Fine over from Wasim has settled this , I think. Can't see SA managing a bunch of sixes in the last two overs.

Might have been interesting if Klaassen had stayed in though.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:04 am

Anyone else seen the news about Imran Khan? Apparently he has been shot?

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:04 am

By the way...I really hope the finals don't go to DLS . Seems to me the calculations in this format can be very odd...in this case didn't do SA any favours.

Pakistan win confirmed now as Stubbs goes

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:07 am

Bloody hell ! Back in Pakistan , someone has shot Imran Khan ! Not in danger , apparently...but still ...

Doubt it was cricket related Wink

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:10 am

Going to be a big win for Pakistan, just about keeping them alive in this competition.

As mentioned earlier, if SA and India win their final games they'll both be through. SA will surely beat the Dutch, it would be the biggest upset of the competition if they didn't. I'd strongly favour India to defeat Zimbabwe as well, Zimbabwe appear to have tailed off after their win over Pakistan.

In terms of logistics India play their game last, so the pressure could be piled on them if Pakistan manage to beat Bangladesh. Bangladesh could also squeeze through if they beat Pakistan and India lost, but Bangladesh's NRR is in a negative due to the hammering they took against SA, so they would need not just a win, but a big win over Pakistan to have a realistic chance.

Back to Group 1 tomorrow and must-win games for both NZ and Australia. I think an upset is possible in the Ireland-NZ game, but not the Australia-Afghanistan fixture. Ireland-NZ is up first - if NZ win, Australia will be pushing to thrash Afghanistan; but if NZ lose, Australia can relax a little in the knowledge that any win would do. Slight scheduling advantage there.

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:12 am

alfie wrote:By the way...I really hope the finals don't go to DLS . Seems to me the calculations in this format can be very odd...in this case didn't do SA any favours.

Pakistan win confirmed now as Stubbs goes

*Currently* looking dry for all three of the KO games, but we've already seen unexpected rain happen!

Seems good that they've put the final in for the 13th at Melbourne, because the 11th and 12th is forecast to be wet, wet, wet.

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:14 am

Also that loss for South Africa now means that every team at this competition has lost at least one game.

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:18 am

Duty281 wrote:
alfie wrote:By the way...I really hope the finals don't go to DLS . Seems to me the calculations in this format can be very odd...in this case didn't do SA any favours.

Pakistan win confirmed now as Stubbs goes

*Currently* looking dry for all three of the KO games, but we've already seen unexpected rain happen!

Seems good that they've put the final in for the 13th at Melbourne, because the 11th and 12th is forecast to be wet, wet, wet.

That makes me uneasy. If "wet" is around in Melbourne , it can often slip a day or so ... But perhaps the 13th will be lucky Smile

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Post by alfie Thu Nov 03, 2022 9:23 am

Actually I see this game really changed the NRR around...SA won't want a washout against the Dutch as theirs is no longer unassailable .

And India have to win because Pakistan are well clear of theirs now. Bangladesh no hope even with a big win.

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Post by KP_fan Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:23 am

alfie wrote:Actually I see this game really changed the NRR around...SA won't want a washout against the Dutch as theirs is no longer unassailable .

And India have to win because Pakistan are well clear of theirs now. Bangladesh no hope even with a big win.

if India cannot win vs Zim, they should forget being world cup aspirants.
India needs to put in a clinical performance vs Zim....win comprehensively and with no fuss.

They need to look at their team composition and there were 3 variables:
1. KL Rahul...who with the 50 in last game closed the debate
2. DK...I am not convinced he is even half as good a batter as Pant....finisher or any other spot. Pandya can be the finisher at 6 and Pant at 5
3. We cannot play 2 spinners....even one seems at time one too many and there are two options:
a. replace Axar with Hooda ...a proper batsman who is a decent 6th bowler
b. OR more radically , replace Axar with Hooda and Ashwin with 5th seamer Harshal...gives us 5 seamers + 1 spinner combo
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Post by kingraf Thu Nov 03, 2022 10:29 am

alfie wrote:Actually I see this game really changed the NRR around...SA won't want a washout against the Dutch as theirs is no longer unassailable .

And India have to win because Pakistan are well clear of theirs now. Bangladesh no hope even with a big win.

I believe wins take precedent over net run rate if the teams are even? Ie the winner of Pakistan/Bangladesh would go through if the South African game was rained out, regardless of NRR.
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Post by VTR Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:29 pm

I had to look that up, seems it most wins in the group stage, then NRR, then head to head, then world ranking. Maybe a shin kicking contest between captains beyond that

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Post by GSC Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:48 pm

How about a boundary countback
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Post by VTR Thu Nov 03, 2022 12:51 pm

GSC wrote:How about a boundary countback

Ridiculous idea that would just bait Internet trolls for at least 3 years. Glad it will never happen in our lifetimes

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 1:18 pm

VTR wrote:
GSC wrote:How about a boundary countback

Ridiculous idea that would just bait Internet trolls for at least 3 years. Glad it will never happen in our lifetimes

And don't mention the short boundary that England used to beat India in the 2019 World Cup. I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it alright.

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Post by Soul Requiem Thu Nov 03, 2022 2:18 pm

I realise there needs to be a result whenever possible but using DLS in 20 over cricket doesn't sit right with me. I don't really have an answer but that's two matches now with unrealistic targets when the chasing team but ahead of the game so to speak.

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Post by Duty281 Thu Nov 03, 2022 3:38 pm

I've never liked DLS in T20 cricket. The other thing I'd question is the cut-off times - today, for instance, was it really impossible to play for another 30-45 minutes and get the game played to a full conclusion?

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Post by kingraf Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:44 pm

DLS is whatever, but I thought we didn't have the rub of the green in terms of rain (what else is new, right). The rain was a little hard in the last half hour of our bowling innings, and the boys were clearly bowling with a bar of soap, as evidenced by Nortje's inability to bowl a yorker any shorter than shin height. Nasser said he agreed with that decision because we needed to get a full innings in. fair enough but then Pakistan come in and bowl, and they get the advantage of DLS pushing our target to from difficult to unlikely, and then because the umpires waited for it to stop raining altogether, they get to bowl at the death with a reasonably dry ball. I don't think we would have won, because we were down to our last recognized batters, of course, but that's a clear disadvantage and it's honestly a contrived one because there's no reason for us to have been bowling there.
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Post by alfie Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:22 am

NZ on course for 180 I think. 152/3 after 17 and Williamson and Mitchell in command. Ireland could do with a wicket or two.

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Post by alfie Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:33 am

kingraf wrote:
alfie wrote:Actually I see this game really changed the NRR around...SA won't want a washout against the Dutch as theirs is no longer unassailable .

And India have to win because Pakistan are well clear of theirs now. Bangladesh no hope even with a big win.

I believe wins take precedent over net run rate if the teams are even? Ie the winner of Pakistan/Bangladesh would go through if the South African game was rained out, regardless of NRR.

Apparently so. That would be a very South African way to get eliminated Smile

Manifestly unfair though. Bad enough being given no chance to win by the weather ; but if , say , Bangladesh were to end up level with SA due to the latter missing out on the two theoretically easiest opponents , it would be a bit odd for Bangladesh to take precedence considering they lost the game between the two sides overwhelmingly ! Surely head to head should be priority , if not NRR ?

Anyway hopefully won't come to that.

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Post by Pal Joey Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:35 am

Hat-trick for Josh Little!

NZ still looking at a decent score though. Around 190


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Post by alfie Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:36 am

Funny old game department : hat trick for Little clapclapclap

NZ still looking good at 176/6 , one over left. But would have been much worse for Ireland but for that over !

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Post by KP_fan Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:40 am

Woke up and opened TV to immediately see a Hat trick from Stuart Little.
Can Irish pump up enuf adrenalin to chase down 185
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Post by alfie Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:42 am

Nothing like a hat trick to slow the scoring ! Just 185 , when it might have been nearly 200.

Little and Adair finished very well thumbsup

Stiff target though for Ireland. Williamson's best effort with the bat today and you'd think NZ will be confident of defending that.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Fri Nov 04, 2022 2:56 am

Morning lads,

Some hat trick for Little. He must surely be up there with the most wickets in the super 12's?

Big chase here but if Stirling gets going, it could be on for Ireland.

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Post by KP_fan Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:07 am

If IRE beat NZ today ...does that open a window for SL?
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Post by alfie Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:09 am

Stirling having a go all right. Not connecting with enough at the moment though.

Looks a good pitch for batting so I guess you never know... But I fancy this is a bit too steep a target. Nothing to lose in going all out for it of course...

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Post by KP_fan Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:13 am

alfie wrote:Stirling having a go all right. Not connecting with enough at the moment though.

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Stirling has the look and feel of Gatting


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Post by alfie Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:13 am

KP_fan wrote:If IRE beat NZ today ...does that open a window for SL?

Quite a good window , actually. They'd just have to beat England then as there could only be two teams on six points or more and they'd be one of them.

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Post by eirebilly_01 Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:17 am

First job done, survived the power play intact.

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Post by KP_fan Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:17 am

They need one 20 run over

To get their chase going
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Post by alfie Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:19 am

Ireland would have liked a few more from the PP...but at least no one has got out so they can look to launch against Santner.

Which they are doing...

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