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Post by PhilBB Wed 16 Nov 2022, 9:51 am

The WRU list competition income from URC & EPCR to be £9.7m

The IRFU list competition income as €10m for both competitions.

It's quite clear that domestic rugby competitions are not generating sufficient income.

Some will believe that it is because it is overshadowed by international rugby and that's the correct order of things. Others will believe that international rugby is overplayed in order to ensure domestic rugby generates insufficient income and a little less international income could generate more income for both parts of the game.
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Post by geoff999rugby Wed 16 Nov 2022, 11:29 am

PhilBB wrote: Others will believe that international rugby is overplayed in order to ensure domestic rugby generates insufficient income and
a little less international income could generate more income for both parts of the game.

Whilst I would like this to be true I don't believe it.

I know far too many people in England, Wales and Ireland who only focus on the International game

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Post by PhilBB Wed 16 Nov 2022, 1:54 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:
PhilBB wrote:   Others will believe that international rugby is overplayed in order to ensure domestic rugby generates insufficient income and
a little less international income could generate more income for both parts of the game.

Whilst I would like this to be true I don't believe it.

I know far too many people in England, Wales and Ireland who only focus on the International game

I'm not really sure your anecdotes are the basis of a strong business plan, sorry. Unless, of course, you're trying to point out there's a market place untapped for the domestic game
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Post by Brendan Mon 21 Nov 2022, 10:21 pm

What club league is able to support anyone other than itself. People that support rugby and England are much more likely to not support one of the 11-13 Premership clubs.

As is often mentioned on here that Welsh fans couldn't care about 4 super clubs but they wouldn't miss a Welsh game.

I think it's important that the professional clubs continue to grow their pies and make them sustainable but just like the soccer WC is much bigger than champions league and why most of the world will watch some bit of the WC

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Post by RiscaGame Mon 21 Nov 2022, 10:27 pm

Brendan wrote:What club league is able to support anyone other than itself.  People that support rugby and England are much more likely to not support one of the 11-13 Premership clubs.

As is often mentioned on here that Welsh fans couldn't care about 4 super clubs but they wouldn't miss a Welsh game.

I think it's important that the professional clubs continue to grow their pies and make them sustainable but just like the soccer WC is much bigger than champions league and why most of the world will watch some bit of the WC

Who mentions that really. Most Welsh fans on here are supporters of a team, bar one (to my knowledge). Just because they don’t like their league product being served, doesn’t make them less fans. They still at least contribute to their team.

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 8:06 am

Brendan wrote:
As is often mentioned on here that Welsh fans couldn't care about 4 super clubs but they wouldn't miss a Welsh game.


That's an interesting wording. What's true in Wales is that there's a separate marketplace in Wales for the international game. Wales play 6 or 7 home games a year so many get their rugby fix from those games.

With the horrific kick off times and lack of interest in the URC, many season ticket holders can only get to 7-10 home club games a season.

International rugby is a competitor to the club game in Wales.
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Post by Irish Londoner Tue 22 Nov 2022, 9:28 am

PhilBB wrote:
Brendan wrote:
As is often mentioned on here that Welsh fans couldn't care about 4 super clubs but they wouldn't miss a Welsh game.


That's an interesting wording. What's true in Wales is that there's a separate marketplace in Wales for the international game. Wales play 6 or 7 home games a year so many get their rugby fix from those games.

With the horrific kick off times and lack of interest in the URC, many season ticket holders can only get to 7-10 home club games a season.

International rugby is a competitor to the club game in Wales.

That's also true to an extent in England, a large number of the spectators at Twickenham don't follow (or at least follow to the point of buying tickets) Premiership clubs, they follow/support their local club as that's how they can access international tickets.

It might be interesting to look at where Wasps/Wuss fans get their rugby "fix" over the next few seasons - are they going to migrate to other Premiership clubs Gloucester/Bath Tigers/Saints or stick with their club assuming it is resurrected in the Championship or drop down to lower level clubs Coventry or Worcester RFC or will they be lost to the club game forever and only go to internationals?

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 9:51 am

Irish Londoner wrote:That's also true to an extent in England, a large number of the spectators at Twickenham don't follow (or at least follow to the point of buying tickets) Premiership clubs, they follow/support their local club as that's how they can access international tickets.

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

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Post by RugbyFan100 Tue 22 Nov 2022, 10:14 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Irish Londoner wrote:That's also true to an extent in England, a large number of the spectators at Twickenham don't follow (or at least follow to the point of buying tickets) Premiership clubs, they follow/support their local club as that's how they can access international tickets.

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel  that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

What is the percentage of Welsh URC games that have been on pay to view only and not terrestrial, this season?

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 10:22 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Irish Londoner wrote:That's also true to an extent in England, a large number of the spectators at Twickenham don't follow (or at least follow to the point of buying tickets) Premiership clubs, they follow/support their local club as that's how they can access international tickets.

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel  that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

What is the percentage of Welsh URC games that have been on pay to view only and not terrestrial, this season?

Simple answer, I don't know.

But the damage was done when they made the decision to put the league on a sports channel that nobody even knew existed. Hopefully by putting the games back on BBC Wales it will help, but ALL the games need to be free to air, like they used to be. The league does nothing to encapsulate the Welsh audience anymore. There used to be a Welsh regional game every Friday night that people could get ready for, there was one every Saturday afternoon.

Now the games are televised all over the place. 7.30pm Saturday night kick offs !!!! Who in this world think that is a good idea ? Also, put the better caliber of games on free to air, not the lesser ones.

Hopefully, the damage of putting the league on Premier Sports is not terminal for the regions and things will improve.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 22 Nov 2022, 10:29 am

LordDowlais wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
Irish Londoner wrote:That's also true to an extent in England, a large number of the spectators at Twickenham don't follow (or at least follow to the point of buying tickets) Premiership clubs, they follow/support their local club as that's how they can access international tickets.

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel  that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

What is the percentage of Welsh URC games that have been on pay to view only and not terrestrial, this season?

Simple answer, I don't know.

But the damage was done when they made the decision to put the league on a sports channel that nobody even knew existed. Hopefully by putting the games back on BBC Wales it will help, but ALL the games need to be free to air, like they used to be. The league does nothing to encapsulate the Welsh audience anymore. There used to be a Welsh regional game every Friday night that people could get ready for, there was one every Saturday afternoon.

Now the games are televised all over the place. 7.30pm Saturday night kick offs !!!! Who in this world think that is a good idea ? Also, put the better caliber of games on free to air, not the lesser ones.

Hopefully, the damage of putting the league on Premier Sports is not terminal for the regions and things will improve.

How would less money for putting all the games on free to air encourage people to go to the games in person? There's a reason that Sky aren't allowed to broadcast games at 3pm on a Saturday in England (football). It would benefit the people who want to watch the games on tv but how does it benefit the attendances?

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 3:53 pm

Irish Londoner wrote:
That's also true to an extent in England, a large number of the spectators at Twickenham don't follow (or at least follow to the point of buying tickets) Premiership clubs, they follow/support their local club as that's how they can access international tickets.

It might be interesting to look at where Wasps/Wuss fans get their rugby "fix" over the next few seasons - are they going to migrate to other Premiership clubs Gloucester/Bath Tigers/Saints or stick with their club assuming it is resurrected in the Championship or drop down to lower level clubs Coventry or Worcester RFC or will they be lost to the club game forever and only go to internationals?

If it's true to the same extent in England and Wales, there are still 18-20 times more people in England......

England can play at home whilst the Barbarians play just down the road. Bath play home on the same weekend England play etc. etc. etc.
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 3:54 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel  that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

The bit in bold is interesting as crowds went up at the pro clubs when Premier Sports got the contract.

Now the games are live on FTA again, crowds have gone down.

So the physical evidence we have completely undermines your opinion.
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 3:56 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

Simple answer, I don't know.

But the damage was done when they made the decision to put the league on a sports channel that nobody even knew existed. Hopefully by putting the games back on BBC Wales it will help, but ALL the games need to be free to air, like they used to be. The league does nothing to encapsulate the Welsh audience anymore. There used to be a Welsh regional game every Friday night that people could get ready for, there was one every Saturday afternoon.

Now the games are televised all over the place. 7.30pm Saturday night kick offs !!!! Who in this world think that is a good idea ? Also, put the better caliber of games on free to air, not the lesser ones.

Hopefully, the damage of putting the league on Premier Sports is not terminal for the regions and things will improve.

To underline the brilliance of this post...... here we have a man demanding games are on free to air TV. He then moans about kick offs being at 19:35 on a Saturday

They are at 19:35 on a Saturday as that is the slot requested by S4C, the free to air broadcaster.
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 3:56 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:
How would less money for putting all the games on free to air encourage people to go to the games in person? There's a reason that Sky aren't allowed to broadcast games at 3pm on a Saturday in England (football). It would benefit the people who want to watch the games on tv but how does it benefit the attendances?

The evidence disproves the claim that putting games on free to air TV would increase ticket sales.

Welcome to Wales, the home of the "I want something for free" mentality.
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 3:57 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel  that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

The bit in bold is interesting as crowds went up at the pro clubs when Premier Sports got the contract.

Now the games are live on FTA again, crowds have gone down.

So the physical evidence we have completely undermines your opinion.

Seriously ?


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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 3:58 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

Simple answer, I don't know.

But the damage was done when they made the decision to put the league on a sports channel that nobody even knew existed. Hopefully by putting the games back on BBC Wales it will help, but ALL the games need to be free to air, like they used to be. The league does nothing to encapsulate the Welsh audience anymore. There used to be a Welsh regional game every Friday night that people could get ready for, there was one every Saturday afternoon.

Now the games are televised all over the place. 7.30pm Saturday night kick offs !!!! Who in this world think that is a good idea ? Also, put the better caliber of games on free to air, not the lesser ones.

Hopefully, the damage of putting the league on Premier Sports is not terminal for the regions and things will improve.

To underline the brilliance of this post...... here we have a man demanding games are on free to air TV. He then moans about kick offs being at 19:35 on a Saturday

They are at 19:35 on a Saturday as that is the slot requested by S4C, the free to air broadcaster.

Yes, it's a stupid time to put a game on.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 3:59 pm

PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
How would less money for putting all the games on free to air encourage people to go to the games in person? There's a reason that Sky aren't allowed to broadcast games at 3pm on a Saturday in England (football). It would benefit the people who want to watch the games on tv but how does it benefit the attendances?

The evidence disproves the claim that putting games on free to air TV would increase ticket sales.

Welcome to Wales, the home of the "I want something for free" mentality.

People do not want everything for free though do they ?

Your ignorance is absolutely astounding it really is.

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:02 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel  that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

The bit in bold is interesting as crowds went up at the pro clubs when Premier Sports got the contract.

Now the games are live on FTA again, crowds have gone down.

So the physical evidence we have completely undermines your opinion.

Seriously ?


Yes. Those are the facts.
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:03 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

Simple answer, I don't know.

But the damage was done when they made the decision to put the league on a sports channel that nobody even knew existed. Hopefully by putting the games back on BBC Wales it will help, but ALL the games need to be free to air, like they used to be. The league does nothing to encapsulate the Welsh audience anymore. There used to be a Welsh regional game every Friday night that people could get ready for, there was one every Saturday afternoon.

Now the games are televised all over the place. 7.30pm Saturday night kick offs !!!! Who in this world think that is a good idea ? Also, put the better caliber of games on free to air, not the lesser ones.

Hopefully, the damage of putting the league on Premier Sports is not terminal for the regions and things will improve.

To underline the brilliance of this post...... here we have a man demanding games are on free to air TV. He then moans about kick offs being at 19:35 on a Saturday

They are at 19:35 on a Saturday as that is the slot requested by S4C, the free to air broadcaster.

Yes, it's a stupid time to put a game on.

That's what happens when you have FTA broadcasters, Dowlais. That's what you want more of!
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:04 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
How would less money for putting all the games on free to air encourage people to go to the games in person? There's a reason that Sky aren't allowed to broadcast games at 3pm on a Saturday in England (football). It would benefit the people who want to watch the games on tv but how does it benefit the attendances?

The evidence disproves the claim that putting games on free to air TV would increase ticket sales.

Welcome to Wales, the home of the "I want something for free" mentality.

People do not want everything for free though do they ?

Your ignorance is absolutely astounding it really is.

It's quite the act to read "something" but then change that to "everything", only to then claim the other party is showing "ignorance".

Well done.
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:08 pm

"I tell you what, let's go to see the Ospreys this weekend"
"Yeah, why not? Good idea. Let's see what game is on"
"It's the Hermes Hailstones at 19:35 on Saturday evening"
"WHO? WHAT?"
"Dunno, Hermes Hailstones. Maybe they are from South Africa or somewhere?"
"Pfft, God knows. How much are tickets?"
"£15 each. Shall I get four?"
"For some unknown South African team at that silly kick off time?!! Dunno. Why is it kicking off then?"
"AH, it's live on S4C. For free"
"Great. We'll stay in, watch it on the TV, spend the £60 on Just Eat and stay in the warm"
"Sounds like a plan"

^ And that is it in a nutshell ^
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:13 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

There are 250-300 rugby clubs in Wales. There is a population of 3m. Most of the people involved in rugby will rock up for the international fixtures.

Trouble is, people cannot be in two places at once. How can all the people involved in the community game also give time and money to the regions ? It's not physically possible, that is why I always bang on about the regions need to attract the casual fans. That was all ripped apart when they put the league behind a paywall on a channel  that nobody in Wales would pay for.

Short term gain, now long term pain. Unfortunately rugby is not popular enough to go behind a paywall in this country, it needs to be on free to air, the regions were gathering momentum before they were put behind a paywall, their is no coincidence that Welsh pro rugby has been on a decline since this happened.

The bit in bold is interesting as crowds went up at the pro clubs when Premier Sports got the contract.

Now the games are live on FTA again, crowds have gone down.

So the physical evidence we have completely undermines your opinion.

Seriously ?


Yes. Those are the facts.

OK, so all the casual fans started going to games. OK. I'm glad you are so knowledgeable at this.

You do realise, that before the game went onto PPV, it was quoted that that the people watching on free to air was the equivalent to getting an extra 10,000 people through the turnstiles, which is another fact. OK

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:14 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

Simple answer, I don't know.

But the damage was done when they made the decision to put the league on a sports channel that nobody even knew existed. Hopefully by putting the games back on BBC Wales it will help, but ALL the games need to be free to air, like they used to be. The league does nothing to encapsulate the Welsh audience anymore. There used to be a Welsh regional game every Friday night that people could get ready for, there was one every Saturday afternoon.

Now the games are televised all over the place. 7.30pm Saturday night kick offs !!!! Who in this world think that is a good idea ? Also, put the better caliber of games on free to air, not the lesser ones.

Hopefully, the damage of putting the league on Premier Sports is not terminal for the regions and things will improve.

To underline the brilliance of this post...... here we have a man demanding games are on free to air TV. He then moans about kick offs being at 19:35 on a Saturday

They are at 19:35 on a Saturday as that is the slot requested by S4C, the free to air broadcaster.

Yes, it's a stupid time to put a game on.

That's what happens when you have FTA broadcasters, Dowlais. That's what you want more of!

Yes but not at those times.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:14 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
How would less money for putting all the games on free to air encourage people to go to the games in person? There's a reason that Sky aren't allowed to broadcast games at 3pm on a Saturday in England (football). It would benefit the people who want to watch the games on tv but how does it benefit the attendances?

The evidence disproves the claim that putting games on free to air TV would increase ticket sales.

Welcome to Wales, the home of the "I want something for free" mentality.

People do not want everything for free though do they ?

Your ignorance is absolutely astounding it really is.

It's quite the act to read "something" but then change that to "everything", only to then claim the other party is showing "ignorance".

Well done.

well stop being ignorant then. OK

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:16 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

OK, so all the casual fans started going to games. OK. I'm glad you are so knowledgeable at this.

You do realise, that before the game went onto PPV, it was quoted that that the people watching on free to air was the equivalent to getting an extra 10,000 people through the turnstiles, which is another fact. OK

No, the facts do not show that "ALL of the casual fans started going to games". The facts show that crowds went up when the games went on to Premier Sports.

If that was quoted, I look forward to you producing the quote. So, over to you

(In reality, what you've confused yourself with is the fee paid by the broadcaster to broadcast that game in terms of ticket sales. As Premier Sports outbid free to air to broadcast those games, by your own logic, it was financially better to be broadcast by Premier Sports)
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:17 pm

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PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
How would less money for putting all the games on free to air encourage people to go to the games in person? There's a reason that Sky aren't allowed to broadcast games at 3pm on a Saturday in England (football). It would benefit the people who want to watch the games on tv but how does it benefit the attendances?

The evidence disproves the claim that putting games on free to air TV would increase ticket sales.

Welcome to Wales, the home of the "I want something for free" mentality.

People do not want everything for free though do they ?

Your ignorance is absolutely astounding it really is.

It's quite the act to read "something" but then change that to "everything", only to then claim the other party is showing "ignorance".

Well done.

well stop being ignorant then. OK

Ok, one last go.....

The only ignorance is shown by he who changed 'something' to 'everything'.
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:18 pm

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Yes but not at those times.

Brilliant. Utterly, utterly brilliant.
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:20 pm

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LordDowlais wrote:

Yes but not at those times.

Brilliant. Utterly, utterly brilliant.

It would be if the kick off was 2hrs earlier.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:21 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:
How would less money for putting all the games on free to air encourage people to go to the games in person? There's a reason that Sky aren't allowed to broadcast games at 3pm on a Saturday in England (football). It would benefit the people who want to watch the games on tv but how does it benefit the attendances?

The evidence disproves the claim that putting games on free to air TV would increase ticket sales.

Welcome to Wales, the home of the "I want something for free" mentality.

People do not want everything for free though do they ?

Your ignorance is absolutely astounding it really is.

It's quite the act to read "something" but then change that to "everything", only to then claim the other party is showing "ignorance".

Well done.

well stop being ignorant then. OK

Ok, one last go.....

The only ignorance is shown by he who changed 'something' to 'everything'.

No phil.

You are totally ignorant to everyone else's opinions on here, and the constant plight by you to tell us all how it is, to be honest, is very tiresome. Your ignorance towards others is quite sapping.

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:23 pm

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You are totally ignorant to everyone else's opinions on here, and the constant plight by you to tell us all how it is, to be honest, is very tiresome. Your ignorance towards others is quite sapping.

Opinions are irrelevant. Facts are important.

For example, I'd be less ignorant of your opinion if you answered how the pro clubs in Wales could "be more professional" or which coaches would work with the present squads.

But you won't answer, of course.
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:27 pm

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LordDowlais wrote:

You are totally ignorant to everyone else's opinions on here, and the constant plight by you to tell us all how it is, to be honest, is very tiresome. Your ignorance towards others is quite sapping.

Opinions are irrelevant. Facts are important.

For example, I'd be less ignorant of your opinion if you answered how the pro clubs in Wales could "be more professional" or which coaches would work with the present squads.

But you won't answer, of course.

There are numerous overpaid and underperforming players at Cardiff.

Get them off the books and throw 350K a year at Gatland and see if it sticks.

then perhaps stop complaining about how the WRU and the community game keep shafting you and then start operating as a fully professional outfit.

There you go, lets see how you tell me how wrong I am, it should be interesting.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:29 pm

If crowds at games went up when the games left free to air doesn't that say the games shouldn't be on free to air if you want to increase revenue; and certainly not expanding it to all games on free to air?

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:35 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
There are numerous overpaid and underperforming players at Cardiff.

Get them off the books and throw 350K a year at Gatland and see if it sticks.

then perhaps stop complaining about how the WRU and the community game keep shafting you and then start operating as a fully professional outfit.

There you go, lets see how you tell me how wrong I am, it should be interesting.

Who are the overpaid and underperforming players?

Let's see if we can tot up their salaries to get to £350k once we've looked at the quality of the players to replace them in the squad.

p.s. I'm not sure where you got £350k from for Gatland, but we can run with that.
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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:35 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:If crowds at games went up when the games left free to air doesn't that say the games shouldn't be on free to air if you want to increase revenue; and certainly not expanding it to all games on free to air?

"something for nothing" crew won't be happy
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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:45 pm

PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:If crowds at games went up when the games left free to air doesn't that say the games shouldn't be on free to air if you want to increase revenue; and certainly not expanding it to all games on free to air?

"something for nothing" crew won't be happy

Just needs a happy balance really.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:46 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
There are numerous overpaid and underperforming players at Cardiff.

Get them off the books and throw 350K a year at Gatland and see if it sticks.

then perhaps stop complaining about how the WRU and the community game keep shafting you and then start operating as a fully professional outfit.

There you go, lets see how you tell me how wrong I am, it should be interesting.

Who are the overpaid and underperforming players?

Let's see if we can tot up their salaries to get to £350k once we've looked at the quality of the players to replace them in the squad.

p.s. I'm not sure where you got £350k from for Gatland, but we can run with that.

How much do you reckon he would want then ?

Also, I was just using him as an example. I would love for one of the regions to open the check book to have him on board by the way.

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:47 pm

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How much do you reckon he would want then ?

Also, I was just using him as an example. I would love for one of the regions to open the check book to have him on board by the way.

So no list of players? Shame. Why no list of players?

The cheque book would certainly need to be closer to £4xx,xxx I'd say, but I'll go with your £350k

Now, those players.....
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:50 pm

PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:If crowds at games went up when the games left free to air doesn't that say the games shouldn't be on free to air if you want to increase revenue; and certainly not expanding it to all games on free to air?

"something for nothing" crew won't be happy

I have that member on ignore, but since you have quoted him, I will indulge.

Free to air would mean more exposure, more incentives for businesses to want to have their name shown to a wider audience. Also, with the games on free to air and being available to a wider audience it might just get more of the next generation on board.

Pro rugby going behind a paywall was a disaster for it in Wales. Even putting the AI's on Amazon is not ideal, but at least people have Amazon TV for the actual TV. Nobody wants PS unless they like rugby.

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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:51 pm

PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

How much do you reckon he would want then ?

Also, I was just using him as an example. I would love for one of the regions to open the check book to have him on board by the way.

So no list of players? Shame. Why no list of players?

The cheque book would certainly need to be closer to £4xx,xxx I'd say, but I'll go with your £350k

Now, those players.....

Take your pick:-

https://www.cardiffrugby.wales/senior-squad

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Post by PhilBB Tue 22 Nov 2022, 4:53 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:

How much do you reckon he would want then ?

Also, I was just using him as an example. I would love for one of the regions to open the check book to have him on board by the way.

So no list of players? Shame. Why no list of players?

The cheque book would certainly need to be closer to £4xx,xxx I'd say, but I'll go with your £350k

Now, those players.....

Take your pick:-

https://www.cardiffrugby.wales/senior-squad

For the second time today, I need to point out that we are discussing YOUR opinion. So I can't take "my pick" as this is about YOUR opinion.

Give me the list of overpaid players IN YOUR OPINION or we can't discuss YOUR opinion, can we?
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Post by LordDowlais Tue 22 Nov 2022, 5:06 pm

This is the same topic over two threads.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Tue 22 Nov 2022, 5:28 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:If crowds at games went up when the games left free to air doesn't that say the games shouldn't be on free to air if you want to increase revenue; and certainly not expanding it to all games on free to air?

"something for nothing" crew won't be happy

I have that member on ignore, but since you have quoted him, I will indulge.

Free to air would mean more exposure, more incentives for businesses to want to have their name shown to a wider audience. Also, with the games on free to air and being available to a wider audience it might just get more of the next generation on board.

Pro rugby going behind a paywall was a disaster for it in Wales. Even putting the AI's on Amazon is not ideal, but at least people have Amazon TV for the actual TV. Nobody wants PS unless they like rugby.

But you suggest that crowds have gone up at grounds since the move to PS while also being sold for a higher price. No wonder you have me on ignore.

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