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Leinster to take on Super Rugby opposition
http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/super14/news/2748322.htm
Super Rugby franchise the Melbourne Rebels will face the Heineken Cup champions Leinster on their upcoming tour of the United Kingdom.
Leinster will take on fellow Heineken Cup finalists the Northampton Saints and the Australian Super Rugby franchise in Donnybrook as part of their pre-season campaign.
The visit of the Australian side who boast a string of Wallaby internationals on their roster including the likes of Sam Cordingley, Stirling Mortlock, England's Danny Cipriani as well as former Leinster second row Adam Byrnes will provide Leinster with a strong test before welcoming the Saints to Donnybrook a week later.
Commenting on the Irish province's pre-season plans, Leinster Coach Joe Schmidt said: "These two high-profile games, against top class opposition, will be very challenging which is ideal leading into the PRO12 campaign.
"Melbourne are a new franchise with high ambitions who boast a strong array of young and experienced talent. We know all about Northampton's many qualities from their performances both in their domestic league and in Europe last year and both sides will provide us with a real test as we look to integrate some of our new signings into the panel ahead of the start of the PRO12,” he added.
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Hmmm, SXV wooden spooners away to HEC winners. Leinster should be aming to put 20-30 points on them.
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Dunno about that Kiwi. This is running simultaneous to the Irish training camp for the RWC which is going involve somewhere between 40 and 50 players. If you think of all the Leinster players who are in the top 40 native players in Ireland and take them out of the equation, you're left with a fairly second string side. Some guys who are on the fringes may be released for gametime but the core of the team won't be available.
I think it's telling that all the provinces bar Connacht are naming one less friendly this pre-season than usual (and one of Connachts game is a warm-up against Ireland). A lot of guys are going to be affected by the Ireland squads pre-season.
Anyone remember Leinsters game last year versus Wasps?
I expect Leinster to be exceptionally strong next season, but in pre-season the country comes first.
That said, last time this sort of thing happened, it was the Melbourne Rebels who came over. But they basically used it as a development tour and brought their academy and fringe players. So I wouldn't be surprised to see two very weak teams out there.
I think it's telling that all the provinces bar Connacht are naming one less friendly this pre-season than usual (and one of Connachts game is a warm-up against Ireland). A lot of guys are going to be affected by the Ireland squads pre-season.
Anyone remember Leinsters game last year versus Wasps?
I expect Leinster to be exceptionally strong next season, but in pre-season the country comes first.
That said, last time this sort of thing happened, it was the Melbourne Rebels who came over. But they basically used it as a development tour and brought their academy and fringe players. So I wouldn't be surprised to see two very weak teams out there.
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I should correct myself; Munster and Connacht have three pre-season games which is the norm. Ulster and Leinster have just two, which is less than usual.
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Notch wrote:I should correct myself; Munster and Connacht have three pre-season games which is the norm. Ulster and Leinster have just two, which is less than usual.
Don't know if Connacht planned the Ireland game either, sounds like they were asked to add it by the IRFU.
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Yeah, but it's a good game for them. Can you imagine the motivation for some of the Connacht lads who won't be involved in the RWC squad to play in front of the Irish management and against their direct competition?
Probably going to be a lot easier for Elwood to motivate them for that one than any other pre-season match going
Probably going to be a lot easier for Elwood to motivate them for that one than any other pre-season match going
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How does the RWC build up tie in with Leinster preseason?
Any other year, Leinster would be resting the internationals as part of the central contracts arrangements but for the RWC, will Leinster be given the internationals (save key players like Healy, BOD, Heaslip who are more critical to the rwc) and let Leinster put out a strong side.
Friday, 19th August: Leinster v Melbourne Rebels (Donnybrook, 7pm)
Friday, 26th August: Leinster v Northampton Saints (Donnybrook, 7pm)
€20 per game (some comment there about 4 tickets for the price of 3 for season ticketholders) - WARNING - these games are not covered by the price of the season ticket.
Any other year, Leinster would be resting the internationals as part of the central contracts arrangements but for the RWC, will Leinster be given the internationals (save key players like Healy, BOD, Heaslip who are more critical to the rwc) and let Leinster put out a strong side.
Friday, 19th August: Leinster v Melbourne Rebels (Donnybrook, 7pm)
Friday, 26th August: Leinster v Northampton Saints (Donnybrook, 7pm)
€20 per game (some comment there about 4 tickets for the price of 3 for season ticketholders) - WARNING - these games are not covered by the price of the season ticket.
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Notch wrote:Yeah, but it's a good game for them. Can you imagine the motivation for some of the Connacht lads who won't be involved in the RWC squad to play in front of the Irish management and against their direct competition?
Probably going to be a lot easier for Elwood to motivate them for that one than any other pre-season match going
Oh totally, just meant that, like Ulster and Leinster, they hadn't originally planned on three matches.
Bet they wished it was in Galway, though, would be a major money spinner if it was a home tie.
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Bandwagon, remember Ireland have full test matches against France and England at Lansdowne Road on both of the weekends Leinster are playing their pre-season friendlies.
The first weekend, Ireland are playing two matches. Versus Connacht which is at the same time as your game against the Rebels, and then a full test against France the next day. So there will be 44 players or so involved in the Ireland squad that weekend.
The first weekend, Ireland are playing two matches. Versus Connacht which is at the same time as your game against the Rebels, and then a full test against France the next day. So there will be 44 players or so involved in the Ireland squad that weekend.
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Stirling Mortlock and Cipriani should be starting for the Rebels barring injuries according to Leinster website. Could be a good game.
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Where is the connacht ireland match being played?
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What would you think of this as a potential Leinster team lads?
VDM – Strauss – McGrath/Hagan
Toner – Sykes
Murphy - Ruddock – Ryan
Boss – McKinley
Carr – O’Malley – Macken – Conway
D. Kearney
JHW – Hagan/McGrath – Shawe – Browne – ? – Du Toit – Madiga/Berquist – Nacewa
That’s assuming the following players are in the Ireland squad:
Healy, Cronin, Ross, Cullen, O’Brien, Heaslip, McLaughlin, Jennings, Reddan, Sexton, Fitzgerald, Horgan, BOD, Darcy, Kearney, McFadden. Who to cover the backrow though? Paul Ryan has retired with injury, maybe that Gilsenan lad from Clongowes?
VDM – Strauss – McGrath/Hagan
Toner – Sykes
Murphy - Ruddock – Ryan
Boss – McKinley
Carr – O’Malley – Macken – Conway
D. Kearney
JHW – Hagan/McGrath – Shawe – Browne – ? – Du Toit – Madiga/Berquist – Nacewa
That’s assuming the following players are in the Ireland squad:
Healy, Cronin, Ross, Cullen, O’Brien, Heaslip, McLaughlin, Jennings, Reddan, Sexton, Fitzgerald, Horgan, BOD, Darcy, Kearney, McFadden. Who to cover the backrow though? Paul Ryan has retired with injury, maybe that Gilsenan lad from Clongowes?
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Mickado wrote:What would you think of this as a potential Leinster team lads?
VDM – Strauss – McGrath/Hagan
Toner – Sykes
Murphy - Ruddock – Ryan
Boss – McKinley
Carr – O’Malley – Macken – Conway
D. Kearney
JHW – Hagan/McGrath – Shawe – Browne – ? – Du Toit – Madiga/Berquist – Nacewa
That’s assuming the following players are in the Ireland squad:
Healy, Cronin, Ross, Cullen, O’Brien, Heaslip, McLaughlin, Jennings, Reddan, Sexton, Fitzgerald, Horgan, BOD, Darcy, Kearney, McFadden. Who to cover the backrow though? Paul Ryan has retired with injury, maybe that Gilsenan lad from Clongowes?
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Looks fairly good but why have nacewa on subs bench and not starting at FB?
are you thinking give conway, dave kearney etc more gme time before season starts??
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Surely Hagan would be an automatic choice ahead of McGrath.
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Don’t know Stag, just thinking that we probably won’t throw every new player in together.
Dubh, that’s what I would prefer. Isa will be playing a lot of rugby come September/October, I’d like to see some of the young lads getting their chance in the back 3.
Dubh, that’s what I would prefer. Isa will be playing a lot of rugby come September/October, I’d like to see some of the young lads getting their chance in the back 3.
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Like I said in the pub Mickado, I'd imagine Toner,Ruddock and Boss could all be involved with Ireland (Wolfhounds in all but name) squad to play Connacht.
I can see a team to face Connacht at UCD looking like
Horan-Flannery-Hayes
Toner-Ryan
Ferris-Ruddock-Jennings
O'Leary- P. Wallace
J. Murphy-McFadden-Spence-Horgan
Fitzgerald
Buckley, Varley, Tuohy, Henry, Boss, Humphreys, Duffy
All pointless conjecture, but I would see it as mainly fringe players with a few of the squad members named to get up to full fitness (maybe Flannery, O'Leary and Ferris) and to get gametime in positions they will be covering but don't start for their province (Wallace, Fitzgerald). And that's assuming the first choice 22 for France is named and there are no injuries, which is a big ask!
It's very ambitious, to have 44 players all representing Ireland in one weekend. Provinces won't have much left. Ulster haven't named a fixture for that weekend.
I can see a team to face Connacht at UCD looking like
Horan-Flannery-Hayes
Toner-Ryan
Ferris-Ruddock-Jennings
O'Leary- P. Wallace
J. Murphy-McFadden-Spence-Horgan
Fitzgerald
Buckley, Varley, Tuohy, Henry, Boss, Humphreys, Duffy
All pointless conjecture, but I would see it as mainly fringe players with a few of the squad members named to get up to full fitness (maybe Flannery, O'Leary and Ferris) and to get gametime in positions they will be covering but don't start for their province (Wallace, Fitzgerald). And that's assuming the first choice 22 for France is named and there are no injuries, which is a big ask!
It's very ambitious, to have 44 players all representing Ireland in one weekend. Provinces won't have much left. Ulster haven't named a fixture for that weekend.
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Fair point Notch, and I had forgotten about the Connacht game when I was putting together the team.
In that case, replace Toner with Browne and move O’Donaghue to the bench. Stick Ryan at 8 and bring another academy player (there are no academy backrow players I haven’t currently mentioned!!) into the backrow and for the craic play Du Toit and stick Luke McGrath on the bench (if he’s back from his post leaving cert holiday). All pointless conjecture as you say though. We could play Leo Auva or something equally pointless!
In that case, replace Toner with Browne and move O’Donaghue to the bench. Stick Ryan at 8 and bring another academy player (there are no academy backrow players I haven’t currently mentioned!!) into the backrow and for the craic play Du Toit and stick Luke McGrath on the bench (if he’s back from his post leaving cert holiday). All pointless conjecture as you say though. We could play Leo Auva or something equally pointless!
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France Game:Healy, Best, Ross
DOC, POC
O'Brien, Heaslip, Wallace
Reddan, Sexton
Darcy, O'Driscoll
Earls, Kearney, Bowe
Buckley, Cronin, Cullen, Ferris, O'Leary, O'Gara, Fitzgerald
Connacht Game:
Court, Varley, Hayes
O'Driscoll, Ryan
Leamy, Ruddock, Jennings
Murray, Wallace
McFadden, Spence
Trimble, Jones, Murphy
Reserves: Wilkinson, Brady, Toner, McLaughlin, Stringer, Keatley, Duffy.
That leaves Leinster pretty thin. Connacht should be able field a semi decent XV though:
01 Ah Yo
02 Reynecke
03 Maguire
04 Browne
05 McCarthy
06 Muldoon
07 O'Connor
08 Naoupu
09 O'Donoghue
10 Nikora
11 Vainikolo
12 Matthews
13 McCrea
14 Tuohy
15 O'Halloran
16 Flavin
17 Loughney
18 Nolan
19 Anderson
20 Murphy
21 O'Connor
22 Griffin
It leaves Leinster fairly short on numbers.
DOC, POC
O'Brien, Heaslip, Wallace
Reddan, Sexton
Darcy, O'Driscoll
Earls, Kearney, Bowe
Buckley, Cronin, Cullen, Ferris, O'Leary, O'Gara, Fitzgerald
Connacht Game:
Court, Varley, Hayes
O'Driscoll, Ryan
Leamy, Ruddock, Jennings
Murray, Wallace
McFadden, Spence
Trimble, Jones, Murphy
Reserves: Wilkinson, Brady, Toner, McLaughlin, Stringer, Keatley, Duffy.
That leaves Leinster pretty thin. Connacht should be able field a semi decent XV though:
01 Ah Yo
02 Reynecke
03 Maguire
04 Browne
05 McCarthy
06 Muldoon
07 O'Connor
08 Naoupu
09 O'Donoghue
10 Nikora
11 Vainikolo
12 Matthews
13 McCrea
14 Tuohy
15 O'Halloran
16 Flavin
17 Loughney
18 Nolan
19 Anderson
20 Murphy
21 O'Connor
22 Griffin
It leaves Leinster fairly short on numbers.
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Wouldn't it make more sense to get Wilkinson and Duffy on the pitch in a Connacht jersey? That way they can be oberved as well? Getting them to sit on a bench would see counterproductive.
Ah You is a tighthead as far as I remember. Don't know who Connacht have at loosehead apart from Wilkinson to be honest.
Ah You is a tighthead as far as I remember. Don't know who Connacht have at loosehead apart from Wilkinson to be honest.
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Yep, should be a good test for a scratch Ireland XV. I forgot about Conor Murray and Felix Jones who should be starting in that kind of game...
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red_stag wrote:01 Ah Yo
02 Reynecke
03 Maguire
04 Browne
05 McCarthy
06 Muldoon
07 O'Connor
08 Naoupu
09 O'Donoghue
10 Nikora
11 Vainikolo
12 Matthews
13 McCrea
14 Tuohy
15 O'Halloran
Was just reading that Matthews has a ruptured achilles tendon and is out for another 4-6 months.
http://www.irishrugby.ie/provincial/news/22952.php
Former Leeds centre Henry Fa’amili seems to be the centre they've been planning on signing. Which is good for us, Munster and Ulster, we know we'll have all our centres next year
http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/40709/former-rugby-league-star-earmarked-for-vacant-connacht-position
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Going by the comments on these boards it wouldnt go well if Leinster were to lose.
Most SH posters agreed Rebels would finish dead last, primarily because of it being a new franchise but also because it was influenced by NH players.
In saying that I would still expect the Rebels to win given the compettition they have had all year far outweighs anything Leinster have in stock.
Rebels played against every player currently in the national teams ranked 1,2 and 3 respectively. Leinster played against none.
Simple logic.
Most SH posters agreed Rebels would finish dead last, primarily because of it being a new franchise but also because it was influenced by NH players.
In saying that I would still expect the Rebels to win given the compettition they have had all year far outweighs anything Leinster have in stock.
Rebels played against every player currently in the national teams ranked 1,2 and 3 respectively. Leinster played against none.
Simple logic.
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Taylorman wrote:Going by the comments on these boards it wouldnt go well if Leinster were to lose.
Most SH posters agreed Rebels would finish dead last, primarily because of it being a new franchise but also because it was influenced by NH players.
In saying that I would still expect the Rebels to win given the compettition they have had all year far outweighs anything Leinster have in stock.
Rebels played against every player currently in the national teams ranked 1,2 and 3 respectively. Leinster played against none.
Simple logic.
Leinster were HOCKIED by Wasps and Leicester in preseason last year and were best in Europe. Preseason is a load of bollix when 16/17 players are missing.
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Leinster were also hammered by trevsio in the regular season, i dont think it was just pre season but them getting used to a new system
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Taylorman wrote:Going by the comments on these boards it wouldnt go well if Leinster were to lose.
Most SH posters agreed Rebels would finish dead last, primarily because of it being a new franchise but also because it was influenced by NH players.
In saying that I would still expect the Rebels to win given the compettition they have had all year far outweighs anything Leinster have in stock.
Rebels played against every player currently in the national teams ranked 1,2 and 3 respectively. Leinster played against none.
Simple logic.
Well if it is going to be watered down teams then what is the significance of the game?
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Yeah thats right Biltong and its not in a tournament environment. I mean the Rebels might well be going for a NH tour cos half the team are homesick. What is the point of a tour at this point unless its to wind down and have some fun. Or perhaps its where theyll think theyll pick up some wins.
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Taylorman wrote:Yeah thats right Biltong and its not in a tournament environment. I mean the Rebels might well be going for a NH tour cos half the team are homesick. What is the point of a tour at this point unless its to wind down and have some fun. Or perhaps its where theyll think theyll pick up some wins.
The point is that the Rebels are sponsored by RaboBank, new sponsor of the Celtic League.
That’s pretty much all there is to it!
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I think all these games are a great thing. It means that if Ireland want to see Murphy, Kearney and Jones all in one weekend (granted against varying levels of opposition) they can get them to play in those matches. Realistically if Kidney wants that to happen, Leinster or Connacht aren't going to refuse the IRFU. Same can be said for loads of different positions but particularilly, scrumhalf, fullback and hooker
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