Where does a promoter's involvement stop?

I have just listened to a Steve Bunce podcast where he conducts an interview with Frank warren about the DeGale/Groves fight. About a minute into the interview Bunce makes the point to Warren that he noticed how animated he was and goes on to ask Warren what he was telling DeGale and his trainer Jim McDonell. Warren then goes on to say that he was giving his man and his corner some kind of tactical advice.

Is this common practice within boxing?

I am a boxing fan but my knowledge pales into insignificance compared to what you guys know so it would be interesting to hear your views on this.

Cheers guys.

Dunno about where it stops, but with fat Mick it barely gets started...

BALTIMORA wrote:Dunno about where it stops, but with fat Mick it barely gets started...

I take it Mick ain't got this on his desert island disks then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX54zNjcpXc

He just doesn't seem to be the most...pro-active...of promoters. Ask John Murray.

Perhaps he is scouring the earth for a Carl Froch type figure to keep behind closed doors all to himself?

Now that sounds just plain sinister! On the flipside Warren gets his guys known, but has a reputation for matching his guys easy (Calzaghe, Hatton, Cleverly etc...) and bagging them weak title shots (Enzo Mac).

BALTIMORA wrote:Now that sounds just plain sinister! On the flipside Warren gets his guys known, but has a reputation for matching his guys easy (Calzaghe, Hatton, Cleverly etc...) and bagging them weak title shots (Enzo Mac).

What is the financial situation with Sports Network now? Didn't they go into administration a couple of years back? Are they now solvent? If not is this the reason that Fish Eyes is desperately shouting 'throw the jab' to his fledgling fighters?

I think Warren's Sports Network (or at least one branch of it) went into administration two or three years back. In a bizarre 'coincident' it was around the same time Calzaghe was trying to take legal action against Warren for (allegedly) unpaid earnings over (I think) the Hopkins fight.

Now call me a cynic but it seems a TAD convenient that it happened just as Warren may have had to shell out a few quid. Rumour was he'd done it deliberately to avoid paying Calzaghe.

Did Calzaghe ever receive the brass then?

Not sure on that one in all honesty. Stories sort of petered out. If you want a good idea of what Warren's like though, just read his column in the Sun. Never a genuine kind word to say, every comment is barbed and he's VERY bitter and resentful of those who've left his stable (Calzaghe, Hatton, Khan) AND of those who he sees as having wronged him (Haye).

He's not a very nice chap.

Yeah I read his Sun column every week. I can't believe he can't see what everybody else does but at the same time he tries to be cute about it.

He'll make a point of, lets say, Carl Froch putting in a great performance and then go on to say that Froch's opponent was washed up.

Have you also noticed how he waxes lyrical about Joe Calzaghe being the greatest British fighter ever knowing full well he promoted all but one of his significant fights. It's self gratifying.

Exactly. Very much a self-aggrandiser. Can't stand the bloke. He HAS to try to take credit for everything good that happened to anyone who's been even slightly involved with him, and at the same time he hates the thought that people have successes without-sometimes even despite-him.

Everyone is great when with Warren but absolute rubbish when they leave him, the guy holds a grudge that's for sure. He definately get's over involved with some fighter's, but he usually never bothers to even attend any shows he puts on in Scotland.

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I think a lot of the promoters are like the worst type of football club owners, the ones that always interfere with things they shouldn't be involved in.

You see the same with Oscar, he is always very animated and shouting advice for his top prospects.

Must really annoy the trainers!

Frank Warren is the Bob Arum of British promoters. So many lies and bitter towards fighters.

de la Hoya's a legend who's done it all in the game huw, so his advice would be helpful, has done a great job rebuilding Ortiz as well. Always knew he'd win a world title. i like FW he's quality at his job as well, a proven track record of guiding Calzaghe, Hatton, Naseem, Khan, Cleverly to world titles to name just a few, also putting together big fights like Calzaghe v Lacy, Hatton v Tszyu, etc. And will get Saunders, Gavin, DeGale world titles imo. Mitchell v Murray's another cracker he's made as well imo.

Don't rate Frank Maloney or Mick Hennessy though, Eddie Hearn's building a good stable, he's only had Barker a few month and he's fighting the best in the world already, fair play to promoter and fighter there, i don't think it will be long before Kell Brook's fighting for a world title as well, i'll give it 8 month tops, and Hearn wants Khan for Special K, Brook will take his chin off at WW imo. The time Rendall Munroe had to wait for a world title shot when he'd outboxed the dangerous Martinez twice, beat everyone else in Europe comfortably and then had to go to Japan was bad management imo.

Young_Towzer wrote:de la Hoya's a legend who's done it all in the game huw, so his advice would be helpful, has done a great job rebuilding Ortiz as well. Always knew he'd win a world title. i like FW he's quality at his job as well, a proven track record of guiding Calzaghe, Hatton, Naseem, Khan, Cleverly to world titles to name just a few, also putting together big fights like Calzaghe v Lacy, Hatton v Tszyu, etc. And will get Saunders, Gavin, DeGale world titles imo. Mitchell v Murray's another cracker he's made as well imo.

I'm not saying DLH hasn't but as the fighters trainer it must be very annoying, especially if you are giving different advice. Would also be confusing for the boxer.

Wasn't it Johnny Nelson that said what Frank warren knows about boxing you can write on a postage stamp?

FreekShow wrote:Wasn't it Johnny Nelson that said what Frank warren knows about boxing you can write on a postage stamp?

If he did he's an idiot.

huw wrote:I think a lot of the promoters are like the worst type of football club owners, the ones that always interfere with things they shouldn't be involved in.

You see the same with Oscar, he is always very animated and shouting advice for his top prospects.

Must really annoy the trainers!

Atleast Oscar knows what he's talking about, Frank never boxed or has trained any boxers at all. Shame terry Marsh ( allegedly) wasn't a better shot!

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Cynic.

It's true, I am. I seem to recall also that Warren made some accusations about a British boxer and his trainer using HGH or some other banned substance. He didn't name names, but the inference was pretty clear.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/2801011/Start-random-tests-for-HGH.html

Horse's mouth and all that...