Every Brit Knows How

...to beat the All Blacks, apparently.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5565908/Barnes-McCaw-is-All-Blacks-Achilles-heel

So it's Stu Barnes this time taking the opportunity to show how out of touch he is with NZ rugby in a typical statement of cliche and naivety. His shallow analysis of the Port Elizabeth game is as completely 1 dimensional as it is rambling and self contradictory. Goes to show what being forced to talk constantly for 80 minutes during the endlessly stop-start NH club game commentary does to you. His mind seems to have become completely disconnected from his brain. Breaking News: All Black captain and first five important to All Blacks. Well blow me down with a feather. I'm surprised he didn't pop in with an allegation of cheating or a mention of "South Sea" poaching while he was at it.

But Barnes is just the latest of a plethora of British coaches, ex-players, current players, journalists and sons of journalists who all seem to have the beating of the All Blacks. Strange then that it happens so rarely.

English people pay him no heed, he's still bitter that Squeaky Andrew was favoured for England.

GG Like the good Dr said, no one here is interested in his ramblings - If you want good balanced analysis then just mail me

Barnes has obviously got you rattled GG.

To be honest the AB's are looking vulnerable. I think if other sides can dominate the scrum, line out and break down and shut down Carter, Muliana, Smith and Nonu and Carter has an off day with the boot then the AB's can be beaten. You heard it here 1st.

At no point does Barnes suggest that NH teams can nullify McCaw and Carter. He merely points out that IF you can you have a much better chance of winning.

This is obvious to anyone with even half a brain.

It is however like saying you have a better chance of winning the 4x100m relay if you shoot Usain Bolt in the foot.

TheGreyGhost wrote:...to beat the All Blacks, apparently.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5565908/Barnes-McCaw-is-All-Blacks-Achilles-heel

So it's Stu Barnes this time taking the opportunity to show how out of touch he is with NZ rugby in a typical statement of cliche and naivety. His shallow analysis of the Port Elizabeth game is as completely 1 dimensional as it is rambling and self contradictory. Goes to show what being forced to talk constantly for 80 minutes during the endlessly stop-start NH club game commentary does to you. His mind seems to have become completely disconnected from his brain. Breaking News: All Black captain and first five important to All Blacks. Well blow me down with a feather. I'm surprised he didn't pop in with an allegation of cheating or a mention of "South Sea" poaching while he was at it.

But Barnes is just the latest of a plethora of British coaches, ex-players, current players, journalists and sons of journalists who all seem to have the beating of the All Blacks. Strange then that it happens so rarely.

Certainly, the snippet of Barnes' analysis included in the article you cite is fairly shallow. However, if you read the original article in the Times, he goes into more depth. Regardless, he's a pundit, and is paid to have opinions. What else should he say? "I don't have any clue how anyone can beat the All-Blacks. Let's just give in now." It wouldn't make for much of an article.

You're right that it does seem that many people are offering their thoughts on how to beat the All-Blacks. That might have something to do with their being the best team in the world. And you're also right that those victories don't happen too often. Again, that might have something to do with their being the best team in the world.

"if other sides can dominate the scrum, line out and break down and shut down Carter, Muliana, Smith and Nonu and Carter has an off day with the boot then the AB's can be beaten."

Yeah of course, and if you had the right equipment Rodders I bet we could stop a Tsunami as well

The Blacks IMO are more dangerous now than they were 1 month ago, if they see that people perceive a weakness there then it will only serve to galvanise them more IMO.

It's easy if you know how Ruby .

Reminds me of the infallible three step process to becoming rich and famous.

1 - learn everything you need to know about making lots of money
2 - make lots of money
3 - tell everyone about it

Simple. It's wonder there are so few rich and famous people.

TheGreyGhost wrote:Reminds me of the infallible three step process to becoming rich and famous.

1 - learn everything you need to know about making lots of money
2 - make lots of money
3 - tell everyone about it

Simple. It's wonder there are so few rich and famous people.

I thought it was

1 - come up with an impressive-sounding, complicated system that soulnds like it could make money
2 - tell everyone you've done it
3 - persuade people to pay you to hear how it's done

RubyGuby wrote:"if other sides can dominate the scrum, line out and break down and shut down Carter, Muliana, Smith and Nonu and Carter has an off day with the boot then the AB's can be beaten."

Yeah of course, and if you had the right equipment Rodders I bet we could stop a Tsunami as well

The Blacks IMO are more dangerous now than they were 1 month ago, if they see that people perceive a weakness there then it will only serve to galvanise them more IMO.

Agree completely. Although im usually wrong predicting things.

Hes entitled to his opinion.it will be interesting to see him when he comes on New Zealand SKY as the UK rugby expert,then we can judge him.

Yeah he completly ignored the key rason why they lost, the refereeing right GG?

roddersm wrote:To be honest the AB's are looking vulnerable. I think if other sides can dominate the scrum, line out and break down and shut down Carter, Muliana, Smith and Nonu and Carter has an off day with the boot then the AB's can be beaten. You heard it here 1st.

Nothing to it!

I'm only yanking your chains guys, I know it's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than to beat the all blacks.

The truth is that the All Blacks are beatable, but the problem is that it's usually not enough for their opponents to have a brilliant game - you also need the All Blacks to have a (relatively) poor game.

And more recently a local TMO.

Garbage. The AB were undercooked, underestimated their opposition and were given a lesson in rugby, especially by the Wallabies who ran rings round them. The AB have never looked more beatable IMO.

I love it that whenever NZ narrowly lose, some England fan pops up to tell us how we "were given a lesson in rugby". The schadenfreude possitively drips from you keyboard.

I suspect it's the anxiety caused by watching England get given lessons in rugby by NZ for a decade.

Before people get to aerated and take cheap shots look at what the article says.Point one that McCaw[and Carter] are key players for the All Blacks
TRUE,but hardly original comment.The same could be said of Matfield and Morne Steyn.or Pocock and Genia for there sides.
Point two Heinrich Broussow was on the winning side on his last 4 tests versus the All Blacks.TRUE
Point three that Broussow outplayed McCaw on all 4 occassions UNTRUE
In 2009 in the first two 3Ns matches,against McCaw ,returning from injury not match fit.He was outplayed by Broussow,by the third 3Ns game match fit.Despite the AB`s narrowly losing Broussow was the invisible man,McCaw completely out played. him
In the recent Boks win.Broussow certainly outplayed him,it was if he was`nt even in the country.ADAM THOMSON was at 7 that day McCaw home in NZ.Nothing like truth getting in the way of a good story.
Point 4 Pocock out played McCaw in Brisbane TRUE.But maybe losing his first choice back row collegues after about 20 minutes.
Did`nt help where was Pocock at Eden Park,all players have off days even the best.
When you`ve missed half a season,and then short of game time as you get older.You don`t just drop straight back in the groove.

Great White wrote:Garbage. The AB were undercooked, underestimated their opposition and were given a lesson in rugby, especially by the Wallabies who ran rings round them. The AB have never looked more beatable IMO.

Yep, the ease with which the All Blacks got it back to 20 all in Brisbane made me think they're ripe for the picking...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsOuBdkSL8U

blackcanelion,
That was truly educational. The ability to etch one's name in concrete makes McCaw one of the greatest men who ever lived! I think I am falling in love..........

We could all see where this little debate was going. The old ones are always worth another look.

blackcanelion wrote:We could all see where this little debate was going. The old ones are always worth another look.

Just ask GreyGobbler, he practically invented regurgitating tired, hackneyed, untrue comments as well as redefining libel.

I knew it was a mistake, I’d thought I read the article anyway, even after reading the above comments, even though I know Barnes champions the school of the bleedin’ obvious.

Will I ever learn?

TheGreyGhost wrote:And more recently a local TMO.

Just out of curiosity, when do you think was the last time NZ lost a match simply by being outplayed by the opponents?

The tri-nations loss to Australia was down to the TMO's bad call. Clearly the earlier loss to SA was because NZ fielded a weakened side. How far back do we have to go to see a loss where NZ weren't robbed?

I didn't say NZ deserved to win those games, or would have had the TMO made correct calls. All I'm saying is that they were poor decisions, and I hope the RWC isn't marred by something similar.

NZ were roundly thumped by the Springboks in 2009. Three in a row that SA deserved to win, and did.

NZ were beaten by Australia last year in Hong Kong and deserved to lose, mostly because the coaches were persisting with the foolhardy notion that Stephen Donald would one day put in a good performance.

I'd ignore Barnes. He was partly responsible for putting together the Sunday Times World Cup preview. A remarkably shallow and ill-informed document.

France's second choice hooker was listed as their "star player", and Murray Low and Ali Dickinson were listed as Scotland first choice props. Low is 3rd choice and Dickinson a distant second.

I couldn't help but feel the magazine was a joint effort from Inverdale and Doyle, it was that bad.

funnyExiledScot wrote:I'd ignore Barnes. He was partly responsible for putting together the Sunday Times World Cup preview. A remarkably shallow and ill-informed document.

France's second choice hooker was listed as their "star player", and Murray Low and Ali Dickinson were listed as Scotland first choice props. Low is 3rd choice and Dickinson a distant second.

I couldn't help but feel the magazine was a joint effort from Inverdale and Doyle, it was that bad.

It was a waste of £2.20, wasn't it? And I found out yesterday that the Times will have a World Cup preview magazine during the week which'll probably be much better.

A refreshing perspective, unlike this fellow who apparently agrees with everything Barnes says despite not having seen the games in question:

https://www.606v2.com/t13053-well-done-canterbury#440303

I despair. I really do.

Tool. Read my comments properly.

Now now, attack the post, not the poster.

luckless_pedestrian wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:I'd ignore Barnes. He was partly responsible for putting together the Sunday Times World Cup preview. A remarkably shallow and ill-informed document.

France's second choice hooker was listed as their "star player", and Murray Low and Ali Dickinson were listed as Scotland first choice props. Low is 3rd choice and Dickinson a distant second.

I couldn't help but feel the magazine was a joint effort from Inverdale and Doyle, it was that bad.

It was a waste of £2.20, wasn't it? And I found out yesterday that the Times will have a World Cup preview magazine during the week which'll probably be much better.

Times? Means it's put together by Stephen Jones. Pass.

Great White wrote:Garbage. The AB were undercooked, underestimated their opposition and were given a lesson in rugby, especially by the Wallabies who ran rings round them. The AB have never looked more beatable IMO.

I think we looked a lot worse in 2009 during the 3 nations
Course we kicked on during the AIs
So probably not that beatable unless you are Aus or SA

TheGreyGhost.

Rather than have a pop at Stuart Barnes for his comments, seing that you are an out and olut Abs supporter.....Maybe you would be better off advising the Abs how to (WIN) a Rugby World Cup, for the first time in 24 years.

Majestic
you gotta forgive us Kiwis as we dont really know much about Stuart Barnes, as he is the guest UK rugby expert with the Sky New Zealand panel,we should work him out pretty quickly.

Whaddya know, in the week running up to the Rugby World Cup, pundits are writing opinion pieces on the Rugby World Cup. Quelle surprise.

What is GG's obsession with Brits anyway? Now we are as good as in a WC I don't think any New Zealander is in a position to mock English rugby. Let your team do the talking for a change and spare us this drivel.

GG must just sit in front of his computer all day and must constantly search google for 'British newspapers talk about All Blacks'. He then spends his days reading these comments and posting on this board specific comments that criticised his previous luvvies and goes off on various rants.

So my questions are (a) if GG lives in the UK, does he claim benefit money as there is no way trolling here all day can give him an income (b) Why don't you get a job... or a life?

Touched a nerve there, then.

mid_gen wrote:Whaddya know, in the week running up to the Rugby World Cup, pundits are writing opinion pieces on the Rugby World Cup. Quelle surprise.

What is GG's obsession with Brits anyway? Now we are as good as in a WC I don't think any New Zealander is in a position to mock English rugby. Let your team do the talking for a change and spare us this drivel.

Does that mean outside of a WC it is okay for a NZer to mock English rugby?
And are you suggesting the ABs don't do their talking on the field?

Touched a nerve there, then.

Far from it. Just wondering if posting on this message board and talking crap is the be all and end all of your life.

I cant speak for GG but thats my excuse, whats yours?