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Post by Strongback Wed 07 Sep 2011, 12:11 am

Vitali on points 10/3

Vitali Rounds 1-4........11/4

Vitali Rounds 5-8........5/2

Vitali Rounds 9-12......3/1


Rounds 5 to 8 looks good to me.


Adamek to have an early flurry where he is faster than Vitali before he realises it is futile and gets frustrated. At this point Vitali buries him.


Can't see him running around a la David Haye v Wlad. A Polish man has too much pride to do that.

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Post by Lumbering_Jack Wed 07 Sep 2011, 12:23 am

Are the Polish a proud nation. They seem to leave their country without much thought...

If Vitali takes him out it will be in the last 3 rounds. Adamek is quick and should have the footspeed to avoid prolonged attacks. Wide UD or late stoppage.

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Post by Strongback Wed 07 Sep 2011, 12:35 am

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Are the Polish a proud nation. They seem to leave their country without much thought...

You would too if your wages were bumped up by 400% by taking a 3 hour plane ride.

I don't see Adamek running as much as Haye. Vitali will come straight at him in a way Wlad didn't against Haye.

Adamek is fighting in Poland and will want to put on a good show one way or another. He is the most active heavyweight fighter campaigning at the top level and has paid his dues and put his body on the line in previous fights. I don't think he will be afraid to get hit.



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Post by John Bloody Wayne Wed 07 Sep 2011, 3:42 am

Adamek is like a jewish version of Tyson. He elbows Vitali into submission in the first three rounds then brutally KO's him with an overhand right to the spine, paralysing Vitali permanently. IMO.

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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:35 am

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Adamek is like a jewish version of Tyson. He elbows Vitali into submission in the first three rounds then brutally KO's him with an overhand right to the spine, paralysing Vitali permanently. IMO.

Except he's more likely Catholic, being Polish. There aren't a lot of Polish Jews anymore.

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Post by paperbag_puncher Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:58 am

Rounds 9-12. Since Vitali came back only one of his fights has ended before the 9th. He does seem to look a lot slower these days and can see him chasing shadows for a while before finally catching up with Adamek. Plus Adamek is faster and in better shape than your average HW. He's just too small.

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Post by Michaels, Sean Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:56 am

I have Adamek outpointing Vitali over 12 but being victim of a judging stitch up. If Vitali KO's him I'll be very surprised.
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Post by Valero's Conscience Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:04 am

I think it'll go to points.

I admire Adamek's courage and think Vitali will win a UD with Adamek being too smart to sustain punishment for too long a period.

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Post by Sir. badgerhands Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:13 am

Fair play to Adamek for taking the fight.

Just feel that everytime Adamek gets up close Vitali will be leaning and holding him, not to mention all the shots that will be landing from distance.

A very tired, but brave Adamek being stopped between 5 and 8.

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Post by coxy0001 Wed 07 Sep 2011, 10:01 am

Think Adamek is athletic enough to avoid Vitali to be honest and i wouldn't be shocked if he pulls of an upset. I'd back Vitali if you asked me, but there's something niggling me that Adamek could make him look old with lots of movement and fast quick flurries before getting out of there.

He's been in with guys like Arreola and boxed the hell out of him, handled his power as well.... Don't think it's a given that he gets dropped to be honest.

Lets not forget Vitali is the less athletic out of the 2 brothers.

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Post by mikeymax71 Wed 07 Sep 2011, 10:19 am

I have to agree with Michaels and Coxy. The difference between this fight and Wlad vs Haye is that the smaller fighter is not counting on knocking out his opponent.

I think Adamek will land 4-5 punch combos every time he gets close and because of his movement in the first half of the fight I think this will happen more often than some people think.

Adamek has prepared for this fight fo a couple of years by fighting much bigger guys, but also heavyweights that could punch so I would be surprised if he was to get blitzed in this one.

For the second half of the fight could be the problem as Adamek tires due to the effort he put in during the earlier rounds. However, as Vitali is no spring chicken himself and not been stretched in a fight in years could also struggle to keep up with the pace.

I think Adamek on a close decision or Vitali nails the tiring Pole in the last couple rounds but is behind on points

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Post by sodhat Wed 07 Sep 2011, 10:20 am

I don't think he'll be knocked out either. If he uses his speed advantages in both his hands and feet, he can make a decent scrap of this, and while I don't think he'll take the win, I do think he'll make it all 12 rounds.

Vitali didn't get Briggs or Johnson out of there and Solis wasn't stictly KO'd either, not a given Adamek will be beaten down either.

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Post by Michaels, Sean Wed 07 Sep 2011, 10:23 am

coxy0001 wrote:Think Adamek is athletic enough to avoid Vitali to be honest and i wouldn't be shocked if he pulls of an upset. I'd back Vitali if you asked me, but there's something niggling me that Adamek could make him look old with lots of movement and fast quick flurries before getting out of there.

He's been in with guys like Arreola and boxed the hell out of him, handled his power as well.... Don't think it's a given that he gets dropped to be honest.

Lets not forget Vitali is the less athletic out of the 2 brothers.

Spot on and that's why I predicted a draw. Unlike Haye he tested himself against 'real' heavyweight power prior to taking on the K's. Arreola had a pretty fearsome KO record if i remember righty. As did Michael Grant.
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Post by Sir. badgerhands Wed 07 Sep 2011, 10:26 am

coxy0001 wrote:Think Adamek is athletic enough to avoid Vitali to be honest and i wouldn't be shocked if he pulls of an upset. I'd back Vitali if you asked me, but there's something niggling me that Adamek could make him look old with lots of movement and fast quick flurries before getting out of there.

He's been in with guys like Arreola and boxed the hell out of him, handled his power as well.... Don't think it's a given that he gets dropped to be honest.

Lets not forget Vitali is the less athletic out of the 2 brothers.

Fair enough and as much as I'd love to see an upset just have a feeling it won't

For me it's the old adage of a good biggun beating a good little'un.

Saw Adamek's last fight against McBride and couldn't believe how small he looked.
Just feel that it's a loss for him no matter what he does.

Up close Vitali ties him up and tires him out, at distance Vitali out jabs him.
One decent right hand from Vitali ends the fight and I can't see Adamek having the power to trouble Vitali.

Makes me feel slightly weepy that this is the biggest challenge to Vitali out there.

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Post by Guest Wed 07 Sep 2011, 11:14 am

Sean, it was all going well until you mentioned Michael Grant

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Post by John Bloody Wayne Wed 07 Sep 2011, 3:15 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
John Bloody Wayne wrote:Adamek is like a jewish version of Tyson. He elbows Vitali into submission in the first three rounds then brutally KO's him with an overhand right to the spine, paralysing Vitali permanently. IMO.

Except he's more likely Catholic, being Polish. There aren't a lot of Polish Jews anymore.

that is the most nonsensical thing I said, youre right.

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Post by Strongback Wed 07 Sep 2011, 4:15 pm

I think some people are a bit over optimistic about how well Adamek will do.

I don't think Adamek will have much success punching Vitali never mind getting near him.

I can see Vitali walking his man down with little regard for his own self preservation. When he corners Adamek from the middle rounds on I can see a stoppage most likely by an accumulation of punches as opposed to a spectacular KO.

The size and power difference is just to great.

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Post by Super D Boon Wed 07 Sep 2011, 5:00 pm

Am not a betting man but have a feeling Adamek will hear the final bell and am tempted to put money on it. He's elusive (for a heavyweight) and tough enough to take some hard leather. See VK wearing him down on points. See this as being a dull fight but hope that Vitali wins because Adamek is better than some think but also badly overrated by a lot of people.

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Post by Super D Boon Wed 07 Sep 2011, 5:03 pm

Michaels, Sean wrote:I have Adamek outpointing Vitali over 12 but being victim of a judging stitch up. If Vitali KO's him I'll be very surprised.

Must admit Sean I am concerned about that as well. There's something about Adamek I don't like. I think it's his face.

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Post by leedizzle1986 Wed 07 Sep 2011, 5:34 pm

Vitali in the first 4 rounds of a major anticlimax, just like the majority of the heavyweight division.

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Post by compelling and rich Wed 07 Sep 2011, 6:12 pm

for me time is catching up with vitali (still furious with how he and sky claimed they blew away solis). still expect him to win but not as as easy as he would have in the past. adamek would be stupid if he runs in trying to have a scrap with vitali. UD for vitali 5-6 rounds

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Post by pauline1981 Wed 07 Sep 2011, 6:40 pm

polish man to win on points

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Post by slash912 Wed 07 Sep 2011, 6:52 pm

Though Adamek has the speed to avoid being hit against Vitali I just don't think he's good enough to fire an effective enough flurry to clock up rounds. Vitali to take a decision in quite a dull fight.

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Post by Colonial Lion Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:06 pm

From what I have seen of Adamek I dont really see where all this optimism surrounding him has come from.

There isnt alot of preparation out there for a Klitschko and the likes of McBride, Maddalone, Arreola or Grant dont strike me as being entirely relevant to the prospect in front of him now.

If Adamek goes to survive he may have the equipment to her the final bell but if he goes to genuinely win I see him coming off second best in any encounters with Vitali and bein worn down in the traditional Klitschko manner.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:21 pm

A polish man has too much pride etc...

remember Golota??????????

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Post by Strongback Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:37 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:A polish man has too much pride etc...

remember Golota??????????


I remember him giving your man Bowe a boxing lesson.

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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:38 pm

Strongback wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:A polish man has too much pride etc...

remember Golota??????????


I remember him giving your man Bowe a boxing lesson.

Wasn't that just before trying to whack Bowe's knackers off?

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:40 pm

Bowe beat Golota twice didn't he????

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Post by compelling and rich Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:43 pm

he did give him a lesson though pretty much battering bowe around the ring, just a shame he had a screw loose

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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:44 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Bowe beat Golota twice didn't he????

Same way Dirrell beat Abraham though...

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:52 pm

I think Adamek will be stopped in the middle rounds. I posted a video of their stare down on the news thread the other day and he looked like a light heavy weight standing next to Vitali.
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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:54 pm

A blown-up one..?

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 7:59 pm

Not really mate here's the link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBVEO-mFlkY
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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:04 pm

Boring face-off, that. When they're fully-clothed it makes it hard to gauge what condition they're in.

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Post by compelling and rich Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:11 pm

i dont think he looks to bad there in terms of size, adameks bigger than i thought. no different than paco v oscar that one, thats where the similarties end though

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:13 pm

Balti I wasn't talking about his condition he looked pretty small standing next to Vitali and we know Vitali will be in great shape he always is.
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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:25 pm

prettyboykev wrote:Balti I wasn't talking about his condition he looked pretty small standing next to Vitali and we know Vitali will be in great shape he always is.

No, I know you weren't I just think weigh-ins build the event more when the guys aren't dressed like they're nipping to Tesco. Let's face it though; most heavyweights are gonna look relatively small against either Klit. Also, while you're right about Vitali he hasn't been looking as good as his brother in his last couple fights. He's starting to look...well, like a forty-year-old.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:29 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:Balti I wasn't talking about his condition he looked pretty small standing next to Vitali and we know Vitali will be in great shape he always is.

No, I know you weren't I just think weigh-ins build the event more when the guys aren't dressed like they're nipping to Tesco. Let's face it though; most heavyweights are gonna look relatively small against either Klit. Also, while you're right about Vitali he hasn't been looking as good as his brother in his last couple fights. He's starting to look...well, like a forty-year-old.

I keep hearing that about Vitali but I've never seen it he's hardly lost a round since he came back.
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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:38 pm

Not particularly in the ring, more just his physique, the greying hair. Wlad looks more muscular, more ripped than Vitali.

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Post by compelling and rich Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:40 pm

prettyboykev wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:Balti I wasn't talking about his condition he looked pretty small standing next to Vitali and we know Vitali will be in great shape he always is.

No, I know you weren't I just think weigh-ins build the event more when the guys aren't dressed like they're nipping to Tesco. Let's face it though; most heavyweights are gonna look relatively small against either Klit. Also, while you're right about Vitali he hasn't been looking as good as his brother in his last couple fights. He's starting to look...well, like a forty-year-old.

I keep hearing that about Vitali but I've never seen it he's hardly lost a round since he came back.

he was losing the first round against solis imo, before his knee went that is. but if you listen to all the "experts" they will tell you solis was handed a good spanking.

to be fair with the likes of danny williams, arreloa, briggs and samuel peter in the condition they were when they fought him i should hope that he didnt lose a round

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:55 pm

BALTIMORA wrote:Not particularly in the ring, more just his physique, the greying hair. Wlad looks more muscular, more ripped than Vitali.

Wlad has always had the better physique imo. Time will take it's toll but I'm not sure their is anyone around to catch him out.
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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:57 pm

compelling and rich wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:
BALTIMORA wrote:
prettyboykev wrote:Balti I wasn't talking about his condition he looked pretty small standing next to Vitali and we know Vitali will be in great shape he always is.

No, I know you weren't I just think weigh-ins build the event more when the guys aren't dressed like they're nipping to Tesco. Let's face it though; most heavyweights are gonna look relatively small against either Klit. Also, while you're right about Vitali he hasn't been looking as good as his brother in his last couple fights. He's starting to look...well, like a forty-year-old.

I keep hearing that about Vitali but I've never seen it he's hardly lost a round since he came back.

he was losing the first round against solis imo, before his knee went that is. but if you listen to all the "experts" they will tell you solis was handed a good spanking.

to be fair with the likes of danny williams, arreloa, briggs and samuel peter in the condition they were when they fought him i should hope that he didnt lose a round

It wasn't his fault the shape they turned up in he turned up in great shape and id his job. In the case of Solis it was the first round wouldn't even consider it I thought it was pretty even just the K Bro's haters piping up again.
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Post by BALTIMORA Wed 07 Sep 2011, 8:59 pm

It's one round. On it's own it means zip.

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Post by compelling and rich Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:09 pm

im not trying to suggest solis was going to beat him but in recent record we havnt had much to go against vitali and the little evidence we did see in the fight suggested to me that vitali looked like he slowed. could be just the case that he was starting slow but because his knee went we dont have much to go with, i simply have to judge what i saw in that fight. before that he went the distance with a pretty poor past it briggs something which if vitali was anywhere near his best would have had out of there alot quicker. i do hope the k bro's haters wasnt aimed at me?

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:21 pm

No not at you but their are a lot of them about. Briggs took his shots very well and the ref should have stopped it although he should have finished him off.
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Post by The Galveston Giant Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:51 pm

I was quite excited when this fight was made as it's a little bit different. We've seen the brothers beat all the fat and old heavyweights recently but not many with a bit speed and movement ( excluding Haye). Adamek could very well get a severe beatdown here but i believe he can cause an upset. Solis was winning the first round for me and Vitali looked a little troubled by his speed, although there was nothing wrong with the short left that clipped his temple, solis had also landed a nice clean short left hook earlier in the round. Vitali for me is always going to have trouble with smaller guys which is why i gave Adamek the chance to win on points in a tough fight, if he try's to stand and trade then Vitali's power will make it a short night.


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Post by Colonial Lion Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:51 pm

To be fair, the Briggs fight was a case of poor refeereeing and cornering and should have been a stoppage.

I think its only natural that at 40 Vitali has slowed down and become more vunerable but I still dont think hes deteriorated enough to bridge the gap between himself and the other contenders, and if he has Im not convinced Adamek is the man to do it. Solis looked interesting because he had the hand speed to trouble Vitali and land which reminded of the Sanders fight to some extent but before we could take anything of real significance out of it the contest was over.

I also tend to think with the Klitschkos that they are not particular good finishers so when fighters turn up to simply survive rather than to win they struggle more to finish them off. In the cases where fighters come and have a go, suchas Arreola or Sosnowski then they tend to end up coming off second best and are ususally worn down and stopped.

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Post by SugarRayRussell (PBK) Wed 07 Sep 2011, 9:54 pm

The point about fighters being in survival mode being harder to finish off for them is probably the case with most fighters. When a guys opening up he's easier to hit.
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Post by Super D Boon Thu 08 Sep 2011, 12:41 pm

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he was losing the first round against solis imo, before his knee went that is. but if you listen to all the "experts" they will tell you solis was handed a good spanking.

to be fair with the likes of danny williams, arreloa, briggs and samuel peter in the condition they were when they fought him i should hope that he didnt lose a round[/quote]

To be fair Vitali lost the first round to Herbie Hide as well but it's totally irrelevant to the result which was a battering to Hide in the following stanza. Vitali is an expert at gauging the length between his fists and his foes. The first round against Solis was just a "feeler" round, the fact Solis landed a few quick glancing blows doesn't give any indication to what might have happened for the rest of the fight.

Really hope Vitali does it. Can't stand Adamek. He's built up into some kind of p4p when in reality he's a good honest plodder who's maximised his limited abilities and ridden his luck in the process. Hope Adamek takes a pasting.

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