is frankie gavin the biggest waste of raw potential we have seen?

Frankie has pulled out of his first fight under the Tibbs(personal reasons)

sorry ill have to keep this short as im working, as first GB fighter to win a gold at the ams Gavin looked to me the real deal.

it seems after that gold his focus was lost not making weight at the Olympics the first sing of a slide followed by weight issues as a pro i personally think the kid should be at least one or two divs lower than he fights, he still seems to struggle with weight he has looked poor against fighters well below the level he suggested he would operate in the ams and hasn’t impressed me at all since making the switch.
I don’t see this a the wrong style for the pro game more a lack of ambition, drive and hunger that are the hall marks of top fighters/sportsmen he was talking the talk going into this one and i was hoping to see some improvement from the Tibbs involvement. it seems Frankie is letting him self down to a large extent, i don’t know the issues that have stopped him fighting this time round (so don’t want to jump on it to soon but its another in a long line of problems) but he did sound up for it (boxing hour) that has been the case before his last three or four saying things like this time you will see the real Frankie Gavin.


my question is did you see him being a special talent that is wasting it or do you think we have seen the real Gavin all along?

His anticipation is Mayweather like, he’s so good as judging distance and timing when on form. But his head clearly isn’t in the right place.

Looks like a poor bill tomorrow now.

I think he has talent to burn but appears to have a level of dedication that would make James Toney look committed, as you say is operating one or two weights above what would appear to be his optimum weight. Is clear his lifestyle is wrong outside the ring. Really hope he can get his act together as I genuinely believe he is special but he needs to do it sooner rather than later because bad habits become ingrained in young fighters.

To be frank, he has been incredibly boring, out of shape and all round poor in his last few fights. He hasn't looked anywhere near this high quality boxer that we are told he is.

Hold your horses folkses. Lets let the man fail first, surely!

oxring wrote:Hold your horses folkses. Lets let the man fail first, surely!

would you say he isnt wasting his potential right now?

Don't think anyone is writing him off just yet Oxy but by the same token we cannot ignore the signs, labouring against guys like Woodhouse and Mutley, operating in a division he seems ill suited to, changing trainers etc. There is enough there to infer that perhaps he is not treating the game as seriously as he should be doing.

oxring wrote:Hold your horses folkses. Lets let the man fail first, surely!

That's the thing Oxy, I don't think people want to see him fail... he's already on his way!

That said, the biggest disappointment surely has to be Audley Harrison? We were looking to fill the void Lennox left and we were told he wad the man. Instead he spent all of his time looking at his drawing board and lingering at domestic level like a wet fart!

struggled to impress against 2 domestic level fighters who he really should have wiped out. He doesn't have the hunger or the desire and its a shame as he has so much potential, he has natural ability, he just knows everything that's going on in the ring when hes on top form. He can counter, slip punches, pressure, throw great combos, set the range, dictate the tempo. So many boxers would kill for that talent and he's wasting it. Changes trainers and needs to bounce back after a very bad show and he just pulls out. Warren is fuming, everyone seems to be turning on him now, hes a promoters nightmare. He's not that young either, hes 26 with 11 fights against B level domestic opponents. He is out of shape and given he won't fight now till early next year (if warren doesn't give up on him), he wont be hitting world level for a couple year. after the woodhouse show and mutley i wouldn't bet against fighters like Place, Cook, Daws and theophane to beat him as they are all better than woodhouse, mutley and Lomax and they are still only domestic fighters.

Its sad to see such a talented Irishman throw his career away.

To keep stepping up the ladder you need to improve, i think Frankie has been under the impression he just has to turn up. Unless he gets the head down and starts working hard he'll be the biggest waste of boxing talent this country has had for a while.

Think he's looking down at the slide to disappointment... Most certainly appears to be wasting his potential, although it doesn't always mean to much but I'm harder than him around the middle, he looks a bit fleshy, which shows that he probably isn't putting enough in the gym or taking things seriously.

Needs to lose the Funtime tag and start knuckling down to some Worktime, otherwise he's going to lose his "0" to a fighter he most surely shouldn't be getting a loss to...

Incredible talent but you've got to wonder has he already shortened his potential in the long run with slowing his career down already?

AlexHuckerby wrote:Think he's looking down at the slide to disappointment... Most certainly appears to be wasting his potential, although it doesn't always mean to much but I'm harder than him around the middle, he looks a bit fleshy, which shows that he probably isn't putting enough in the gym or taking things seriously.

Needs to lose the Funtime tag and start knuckling down to some Worktime, otherwise he's going to lose his "0" to a fighter he most surely shouldn't be getting a loss to...

Incredible talent but you've got to wonder has he already shortened his potential in the long run with slowing his career down already?

Good point about the Funtime tag Alex, he obviously has that tag for a reason, he needs to get a new one with a new attitude.

The Galveston Giant wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Think he's looking down at the slide to disappointment... Most certainly appears to be wasting his potential, although it doesn't always mean to much but I'm harder than him around the middle, he looks a bit fleshy, which shows that he probably isn't putting enough in the gym or taking things seriously.

Needs to lose the Funtime tag and start knuckling down to some Worktime, otherwise he's going to lose his "0" to a fighter he most surely shouldn't be getting a loss to...

Incredible talent but you've got to wonder has he already shortened his potential in the long run with slowing his career down already?

Good point about the Funtime tag Alex, he obviously has that tag for a reason, he needs to get a new one with a new attitude.

Apparently it's because he always has a laugh in the gym and such, also he said when he was with his last trainer he lost his drive to box, couldn't be bothered getting up in the morning to do it anymore, since he changed trainers he reckons that has changed but I'm not too sure...

Sad, because when he turned pro I was thinking beyond world titles I was automatically thinking top P4P places...

He hasn't lost yet....The kid is just immature and likes to party..he's young!!!

He'll either realise to late he has decent skill (not top quality) or maybe he'll get some tough love off his close family etc....who'll tell him to knuckle down..

A draw with the useless Woodhouse should tell him but alas I don't think it will..

Still these days not the end of the world with the belts on offer..he can come again later if not now..

Admittedly yes he can still be successful, but I could see the guy being a top 10 P4P fighter, but now I'm really getting the feeling that isn't coming to fruition.

The Galveston Giant wrote:

AlexHuckerby wrote:Think he's looking down at the slide to disappointment... Most certainly appears to be wasting his potential, although it doesn't always mean to much but I'm harder than him around the middle, he looks a bit fleshy, which shows that he probably isn't putting enough in the gym or taking things seriously.

Needs to lose the Funtime tag and start knuckling down to some Worktime, otherwise he's going to lose his "0" to a fighter he most surely shouldn't be getting a loss to...

Incredible talent but you've got to wonder has he already shortened his potential in the long run with slowing his career down already?

Good point about the Funtime tag Alex, he obviously has that tag for a reason, he needs to get a new one with a new attitude.

he's lost it already the first thing the Tibbs did was get him to chuck it, thats part of the reason im so peeved i thought they would have him focused on fighting again.

Isn't he supposed to be focused!!! It's his career..

Can't babysit the guy..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Isn't he supposed to be focused!!! It's his career..

Can't babysit the guy..

Not everyone is 100% motivated and needs people around them that motivates them. He is supposed to be focused but to be fair I imagine in your day job there are plenty of times you can't be bothered or have slacked off a little bit. I know I have.

All the time but I'm lucky to be in a position where I'm left to get on with it...

Although since I've been back I've been trying to catch up so I've not been able to educate on here in the daytime.....The guy who filled in for me was sadly lacking..

Then again he was British..

However at the end of the day whether the person be a fighter, looking for a job, or a substance abuser..they have to do it for themselves Mate.....

Can't do it for them..

alfredperami wrote:

oxring wrote:Hold your horses folkses. Lets let the man fail first, surely!

would you say he isnt wasting his potential right now?

He's not doing well - but he's got time to improve, surely. A sad world when someone so oung gets written off so soon.

He is only 26. Plenty of time

I don't think people are worried he's running out of time or isn't facing decent challenges, or isn't good enough, just that his attitude appears to be wrong and he's had a few wake up calls already, he certainly has the talent, so it's a bit confusing.

Not a waste of talent,just needs someone to put a foot up his jacksy to get him focused and back on track, Warren and Tibbs need to read the riot act.

Scottrf wrote:His anticipation is Mayweather like, he’s so good as judging distance and timing when on form. But his head clearly isn’t in the right place.

Looks like a poor bill tomorrow now.

How do you know so much about boxing? I don't, I just like watching it. Not being gay but you're a freak with all round knowledge.

looks like i'm on a limb here, and i didn't see him as an amateur, but i've been unimpressed with him since day 1 as a pro... couldn't see what the fuss was about... i can't comment on his potential as frankly, no pun intended, i haven't really seen it.

Of the golden boy amateurs coming through, i saw more potential (as a pro) in billy joe saunders than the others.

Only judging on what i've seen. Clearly others have seen the talent and i hope he proves me wrong... wouldn't be the first.

milkyboy wrote:looks like i'm on a limb here, and i didn't see him as an amateur, but i've been unimpressed with him since day 1 as a pro... couldn't see what the fuss was about... i can't comment on his potential as frankly, no pun intended, i haven't really seen it.

Of the golden boy amateurs coming through, i saw more potential (as a pro) in billy joe saunders than the others.

Only judging on what i've seen. Clearly others have seen the talent and i hope he proves me wrong... wouldn't be the first.

I agree to a certain extent. I wasn't impressed with him too begin with, thought he wouldn't pack enough of a punch in the pro's. However he did go up in my estimations later on, picked his shots really well and the power seemed to be improving. But the last few fights he seems to have gone backwards. Whether it's personal problems or a lack of dedication, he needs to sort it out.

milkyboy wrote:looks like i'm on a limb here, and i didn't see him as an amateur, but i've been unimpressed with him since day 1 as a pro... couldn't see what the fuss was about... i can't comment on his potential as frankly, no pun intended, i haven't really seen it.

Of the golden boy amateurs coming through, i saw more potential (as a pro) in billy joe saunders than the others.

Only judging on what i've seen. Clearly others have seen the talent and i hope he proves me wrong... wouldn't be the first.

Not even against Lomax or Kelly?

im with you on billy joe saunders think he is the best of the lot. not faced anyone of major note but i reckon he is a bit special

Michaels, Sean wrote:How do you know so much about boxing? I don't, I just like watching it. Not being gay but you're a freak with all round knowledge.

Cheers (if genuine). I dedicate a large portion of my time to boxing, and watch most legal fights I can.

Scottrf wrote:

Michaels, Sean wrote:How do you know so much about boxing? I don't, I just like watching it. Not being gay but you're a freak with all round knowledge.

Cheers (if genuine). I dedicate a large portion of my time to boxing, and watch most legal fights I can.

Very quick to point that out Sean...