Tiger's not happy...

First topic message reminder :

...about Hank Haney's new book, just wait til he sees what Stevie Williams has in store.

Unusual to see Tiger voicing strong opinions in the media, maybe he's opening up more... or maybe the book is worth reading!

What do you think, is this poor form on Haney's part?

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/01/20/tiger-woods-will-not-be-reading-ex-swing-coach-hank-haneys-tell-all-book-2/

Shotrock wrote:If I'm paying that kind of money I put that threesome together!

I'm sure Tiger had a totally different threesome in mind.... especially now he is officially single.

I hear Hank isn't the only one profitting from his relationship with Tiger, apparently one of his mistresses has a new porn film out and the marketing relies heavily on the associatin with Tiger.

Diggers

It would be nice to read a specific quote!

Shotrock wrote:Diggers

It would be nice to read a specific quote!

I'm sure s_r will oblige...with a quote of course.

From what Bob Bubka was saying he was griping about his tee time being too early. Some people really won't get out of bed for less than £3million eh? Wnkr.

So we dont have an actual quote or a context it was said in but lets just have yet another go at him anyway. Boring.

Diggers, having a go at him isn't anymore boring than constantly defending him.
I heard it on Talksport from his mate, the excellent commentator Bob Bubka, apologies for not having a transcription for you.

Yes, I mean Ive had to spend 3 days defending the right for the guy to have an opinion on his own life. Who the hell does he think it is.

You seem to defend him on everything though Diggers, just as I always slate him.
Is there any difference?

Look, Id like to see Woods winning golf tournaments again because I think he is amazing at what he does and I, unlike you, think he has real charisma on a golf course and adds something to the proceedings.
However I actually fully agree with you he probably isnt the most pleasant person in the world and that he certainly has a few issues. But some of the reasons to have a go at him in the past few days have been IMO nonsensical and completely unjustified.
I really believe now that there is nothing he an say or do that wont get criticised. And that to me is both unfair and boring.

Fair enough, although I really can't see charisma or personality in him at all. He seems the most wooden, dreary and least spontaneous individual in sport.
Calculated, contrived, stage managed and no redeeming features about his personality at all. All I can see that he has going for him is his golf. Without it he's nothing. That's why it amazes me that so many people like him.

So really then, Tiger didn't complain about the group (pairing?) at all.
Truth is he just made a fairly innocuous passing comment about the early start, probably in the context of how that might affect ball flight, green speeds and ultimately, scores.
Add to that the fact that all KNOWLEDGABLE sources indicate that Tiger and Rory get on well together, a fact supported by their decision to play a practice round together on Tuesday during which they apparently had a few laughs with spectators as well.
Sounds perfectly normal to me.
I guess it all depends on how you spin it.

IF you get paid $3m just to turn up, should you complain about anything though? Even as a passing comment. Or does that just reinforce the perception of being a man sausage?

I don't think anyone has claimed he wasn't happy with who he's playing with though.

GT - Nice to get some facts, but why let reality ruin a good yarn.

Speaking of which, where was it confirmed Tiger got $3 Million? More spin.

I read that's what it was reputed to be. I haven't seen his bank account. However regardless of how much it is, he should really keep his big fat surly gob shut when he's paying paid handsomely to appear. If they want to put him out at 3am, then that's up to them.

[quote="super_realist"]IF you get paid $3m just to turn up, should you complain about anything though? Even as a passing comment. Or does that just reinforce the perception of being a man sausage?

"he should really keep his big fat surly gob shut when he's paying paid handsomely to appear."

So s_r, for the benefit of those of us who don't have your deep understanding of life's moral code, would you care to put a dollar amount on when a man is no longer entitled to freely voice his own opinions?
Obviously you haven't got there yet, so it must be somewhere between what you earn and what Tiger earns?

GT, If I was being paid a fantastic amount of money, reportedly $3m just to turn up, I'd have the decency to be polite, thankful and gracious.
I wouldn't dare have a single criticism or gripe, even one that was off the cuff.

I think most people would probably think that way.

GT - Of course, he's entitled to his opinion and to voice that opinion.

But back to the tournament ... Tiger won't go quietly into the night, but Rory is clearly the most promising talent and should be the "golfer" of his era. Can anyone at even par or greater win this event? I doubt it ... World #1 is going to have to catch fire (very capable of doing so). Come Sunday, look for Rory to be hoisting the trophy.

Somehow I don't think you would be able to help yourself.

So the number is $3m per appearance?
If that is the case, then by your rules, he would be free to voice his opinions during any PGA Tour event?

He's free to voice his opinions at any event he wants, I just don't consider it good manners to find anything to moan about if he's being paid so well to be there.

I would have thought the reported $3m he's being paid to be in Abu Dhabi would be adequate recompense for any gripe he might have, and presumably be enough to suppress his willingness to express a negative opinion.

Perhaps I was just brought up better though.

Or perhaps you are just reading far too much, as usual, into something you dont even have the quote for.

Do I need a written quote when Bob Bubka, an actual friend of Woods said on radio he wasn't happy about teeing off so early?

Just as I do anything to slate the guy, it seems you'll do anything to defend him.

s_r.......Perhaps, but I very much doubt it.

The point I am trying to make is that it is ridiculous to suggest that anyone should be obliged to give up their rights based on money, but that isn't really what you have a problem with is it?

Shotrock - Agree with your comment on Rory, and Tiger will almost certainly have a big impact for a few more years yet. The potential battles between those two alone is going to be worth watching and I look forward to hearing what Rory will have to say about them.
Whoever wins, nobody can justifiably accuse the winner of a hollow victory against "journeyman" golfers.

super_realist wrote:Do I need a written quote when Bob Bubka, an actual friend of Woods said on radio he wasn't happy about teeing off so early?

Just as I do anything to slate the guy, it seems you'll do anything to defend him.

Suprised you havent slagged off his shirt choice today or the way he walks. Thats how pathetic its getting quite frankly.

To put it another way, if you are invited on an all expenses holiday paid for by your mate, do you turn round complain the flight is too early or do you politely keep quiet and be grateful for the freebee?

I can't deny I'd like nothing more than for Woods to get run over by a bus, I just think that amongst all his considerable faults it's a shame you have to add lack of grace to it, but then for a man with no common sense and almost as little class, it probably isn't a surprise.

He's not particularly my cup of tea nor do I appreciate his on course mannerisms *BUT* Tiger has looked impressive in Abu Dhabi, his driving and putting especially have looked so much more solid, dare I say it hes looked much more like the Tiger of old from the off.

super_realist wrote:To put it another way, if you are invited on an all expenses holiday paid for by your mate, do you turn round complain the flight is too early or do you politely keep quiet and be grateful for the freebee?

I can't deny I'd like nothing more than for Woods to get run over by a bus, I just think that amongst all his considerable faults it's a shame you have to add lack of grace to it, but then for a man with no common sense and almost as little class, it probably isn't a surprise.

You hate a guy you don't know whatsoever, so much you want him to get run over by a bus? what a sad little man.

Monty

Is it any surprise that a sexually frustrated man like super_realist would resent a man like tiger woods who gets so much sex?

For goodness sake Monty, you don't need to take things so literally, surely that is more sad?

Mac, you can't count an imaginary sex life with a teenage wizardess as real, if you've got anything other than your mum to tuck you in at night and make sure the Woods poster on the ceiling above your bed is secure I'd be astonished.

Wouldn't say so, you said you wanted a guy you don't know personally at all hit by a bus. Didn't seem to be any sarcasm in your post and due to your intense hate of Woods it wouldn't surprise me one bit. What a shame.

Exactly Monty, I don't know him, so how could I seriously want him to be hit by a bus? Afterall, he might survive, I'd rather he fell into a mincer.

Am I the only one who shouts, "MISS IT" at the TV, when Woods is about to putt?

No! But that applies to anyone going up against the guy I want to win

Tiger Woods- Greatest champion of his generation and of all time. Living legend and still some people prefer to look beyond that and focus on minor nonsense.

incontinentia wrote:Tiger Woods- Greatest champion of his generation and of all time. Living legend and still some people prefer to look beyond that and focus on minor nonsense.

Err...no.

err...yes.

Wow, who knew putting err... in front of simple one word arguments during debate sealed the position.

McLaren wrote:err...yes.

Wow, who knew putting err... in front of simple one word arguments during debate sealed the position.

Try not to be such a muppet, I know it's hard but have a go. When Woods surpasses Nicklaus' Majors record I'll concede the point.

It's more than just about Majors navy*, most golf commentators and experts these days accept that Tiger is better than Jack. I have no interest in getting into a debate on this as it has been done to death.

That said Tiger was rather poor today. His swing is not the finished article and it shows under pressure. All credit to Rock but one would have expected Tiger to close out the tournament as he has in the past.

*Is Harrington a better champion than Monty? How about Cabrera, 2 pga tour wins- both Majors, has he had a better career than Sergio or Westwood?

All you Tiger haters, could be in for a very difficult year, you have already started your whinging, and he hasn't won a tournament yet!!.

The signs of a potential recovery to somewhere near his old self are definitely there. Clearly didn't step up to the plate today but he never slid much off the leader board either. Huge credit to Rock though for being able to remain as steady as a....er...Rock!!

Difficult to say on the basis of one tournament but I'm guessing the odds on him making 19 probably came down a notch or 2 this week. I'm not convinced yet but I certainly wouldn't want to bet much against it.

It really could not have gone much worse for him today in terms of accuracy and yet he somehow went round level. For comparison look at the other player in the group, Peter Hanson, who was hitting all over the shop and it is clear tiger can still pull a round out of nowhere. But clearly even he still needs to hit the fairway once in a while to win.

incontinentia wrote:It's more than just about Majors navy*, most golf commentators and experts these days accept that Tiger is better than Jack. I have no interest in getting into a debate on this as it has been done to death. Why wouldn't you debate it? Afraid your evidence is no more solid than shifting sand?

That said Tiger was rather poor today. His swing is not the finished article and it shows under pressure. All credit to Rock but one would have expected Tiger to close out the tournament as he has in the past.

*Is Harrington a better champion than Monty? How about Cabrera, 2 pga tour wins- both Majors, has he had a better career than Sergio or Westwood?

Eh? Most commentators do not accept that. You're also talking about players who've won maybe one or two Majors. Nicklaus has won 18 and a shed load else to boot. It's not a sound argument to be advocating.

Woods' 2000 season and the 'Tiger Slam' was an obscenely great period of golf. 2005 wasn't bad either but, for me, he's got to beat Nicklaus' Majors record. You're right incidentally, it's probably more than Majors. I'd include the Ryder Cup and, TBH, Woods has generally stunk the place out. Nicklaus on the other hand....

oldparwin wrote:All you Tiger haters, could be in for a very difficult year, you have already started your whinging, and he hasn't won a tournament yet!!.

Sorry, I don't get that at all. If he hasn't won anything it surely makes it all the easier for the anti-Woods brigade??

Not really sure you can compare the relative RC records of Woods and Jack. Not exactly playing the same standard of opposition, it was basically a gimme in Nicklaus day. And Woods record hardly stinks, it's just average.
I'd be far more inclined to be looking at most PGA wins, lowest stroke average for the year, that kind of thing.
But in all truth I do think he needs to get to 18 majors or more. Still very possible.

oldparwin wrote:All you Tiger haters, could be in for a very difficult year, you have already started your whinging, and he hasn't won a tournament yet!!.

So according to you, if you don't like someone, you hate them. Sad.

4putt

There are definitely those on here who are not what we would call tiger fans and those that are haters. It really is up to you to decide if oldparwin’s comment was directed at you.

Needless to say the title of this thread is probably even more true as tiger wakes today and realises he let another tournament slip.

I hate him. No problem admitting that, no different to the way I am able to hate Ashley Cole, John Terry or Steven Gerrard is it?
Can't see any redeeming features about the guy at all. One of the least classy guys in any sport outside of football.
A thoroughly loathesome man as far as I can see.

I don't hate him; I don't know him personally. I don't think he comes across well in the media or how he attempts to handle them. On the subject of media and Woods, one of things I seriously dislike is all the fawning over the guy regardless of his game although, to be fair to TW, it's hardly his fault if the media are really so pants these days.

Hard to disagree with much of what lawrence donegan writes here;

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/lawrence-donegan-golf-blog/2012/mar/01/tiger-woods-navy-seal

Agree with that Mac. Interesting read ... thanks for sharing it.

Well, Mr.Woods, if you didn't want to discuss your SEAL ambitions, why did you tell a Press Conference fifteen months ago that , "I've always wanted to become a SEAL"?

Kiwni

You mentioned that earlier, but is there a difference between tiger opening up about his private thoughts and someone else writing about them in a half cocked manner?