Scottish players plying their trade outside of Scotland at the professional level

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There's alot of chat about the Scots talent plying its trade outside Scotland at the mo. What with potential signings for the pro teams, young up and coming talent and Scot qualified messianic warriors from the Super 12. So I thought I'd kick off an ongoing thread dedicated to recording all of the nuggets of info Sean Lineen needs to know before he starts his new job.

Our resident rugby scholar ASBO has done alot of the leg work for us in the below list. But does anyone have anymore pearls of wisdom?

England:
Newcastle:
Ally Hogg - no.8
Euan Murray - Prop
Alex Tait - FB/wing - (Brother of Mat Tait)
Michael Tait - Centre
Grant Shiells - Prop
Tim Swinson - Lock - (Scottish grandfather)

Alan Tait- Coach

Gloucester:
Scott Lawson - Hooker
Rory Lawson - Scrum Half
Al Strokosch - Flanker
Jim Hamilton - Lock

Bryan Redpath - Ex Head Coach
Carl Hogg - Forwards Coach

Bath:
Simon Taylor - no.8
Mark McMillan - Scrum Half
Jack Cuthbert - Full Back
James Tyas - Flanker - Academy - (on loan at Plymouth Albion?)

Ian McGeechan - DOR

Exeter:
Bryan Rennie - Centre/wing

Sale:
Richie Vernon - no.8/Flanker
Fraser McKenzie - Lock/blindside
Al Dickinson - Prop

Saracens:
Kelly Brown - Flanker

London Irish:
Joe Ansbro - centre/wing

London Wasps:
Hugo Southwell - fullback
Ross Samson - scrumhalf

Worcester:
Alex Grove - Centre
Bruce Douglas - Prop

Championship players:
Ian Grieve - Flanker- Bristol
Sean Marsden - Full back- Bristol
Mitch Eadie - Back Row/Lock- Bristol
Gordon Ross - Fly Half- London Welsh
Jonny Baird - Back Row-Nottingham
Mitchell Todd - Lock- Nottingham
Cameron Mitchell - Centre- Plymouth Albion
Ian Nimmo - Lock - Cornish Pirates
Sean Tomes - Lock- Bedford
Duncan Taylor - Bedford
Stuart Corsar - Prop - Doncaster
Stephen McColl - Leeds
Dougie Flockhart - Wing - Doncaster
Mike Adamson - Flyhalf - London Scottish
Charlie Broughton - Wing/fullback - London Scottish
Lewis Calder - Flanker - London Scottish
Ollie Grove - Centre - London Scottish
Willie Lipp - no.8/Flanker - London Scottish
Ben MacDougall - centre - London Scottish
Ian McInroy - centre/wing - London Scottish
Tom Yellowlees - Flanker - London Scottish
Callum MacBurnie - Centre - Moseley
Garry Law - Rotherham
Neil Cochrane - Hooker - Beford
David Morton - Prop - Plymouth Albion
Michael Maltman - Flanker - Moseley

RaboDirect pro-12:
Dan Parks - Fly Half - Cardiff
Sean Lamont - Wing - Llanelli
Nikki Walker - Wing - Ospreys
Simon Danielli - Wing - Ulster

France
Rory Lamont - Fullback - ?
Jason White - Lock/Blind Side Flanker - Clermont
Scott Murray - Lock - Castres (retired from intl rugby? )
Scott Newlands - backrow - Oyonnax
Max Evans - OC/wing - Castres
Mark Bennett - centre - Clermont
Nathan Hines - lock - Clermont (retired from intl rugby)
Alexandre Wukovits - no.8 - Bordeaux-Begles
James Murray - fly half - HK? (U20 in 2007, ex-Bordeaux-Begles, ex-Leeds, ex-Edin Accies)

Yeah very true about WIlson...but if he can make it...aside from Cole England have zero TH's....so his decison will be interesting.

Glasgow are getting a good player in Swinson...

Ok so we've got Maitland, Heathcote and Swinson but looks like Mckibbin is out (although he didn't play for Australia off the bench last week so could still come back into the fold!).

I put together a list of Kiwi and Aussie players with Scottish surnames. Obviously this in no way guarantees they're qualified but does merit an investigation. Hopefully they've got at least a Scots granny.


KIWI

Super Rugby

Johnny McNicholl - Wing - Crusaders- 1990
Brayden Mitchell - Hooker - Highlanders - 1989
Elliot Dixon - Flanker - Highlanders - 1989
Brett Mather - Centre - Highlanders - 1984
Baden Kerr - Fly Half - Blues - 1989
Quentin MacDonald - Hooker - Blues - 1988



ITM

Joel Mckenty Flanker - Northland 1981
Johnny Legg - Scrum Half, Otago - 1989
Jono Armstrong - Flanker, Waikato - 1987
Lee Allan - Flanker - Otago -1992
Paul Grant - Flanker - North Harbour - 1987
Chris McLaren - Lock - Counties - 1987
Scott Manson - Prop - Otago - 1988
Cole Campbell - Lock - Northland - 1987
Mark Murray - Centre - Waikato -
Jack Cameron - Fly Half - Taranaki -
Richard Johnston - Prop - Waikato - 1993
Jack McPhee - Wing - Northland - 1987
Adam Bradey - Flanker - Hawkes Bay - 1987
Glen Dickson - Fly Half - Otago - 1986
Nick McLennan - Fullback - Hawkes Bay - 1990
Sam Anderson-Heather - Hooker - Otago - 1988
Fraser Armstrong - Prop - Waikato - 1992


Playing in Japan

Hamish Paterson - Flanker - Japan (former Auckland player) - 1984
Fraser Anderson - Wing (Played RL for Tonga) - 1984

Playing in France

Hugh Chalmers - Flanker - Bordeaux - 1984


AUSSIE

Pat McCutcheon - Flanker - Waratahs - 1987
Michael Hodge - Wing - Waratahs - 1989
David McDuling - Lock - Reds - 1989
Nick Cummins - Centre - Force - 1987
Lachlan McCaffrey - no.8 - Force - 1990

madmaccas wrote:Ok so we've got Maitland, Heathcote and Swinson but looks like Mckibbin is out (although he didn't play for Australia off the bench last week so could still come back into the fold!).

I put together a list of Kiwi and Aussie players with Scottish surnames. Obviously this in no way guarantees they're qualified but does merit an investigation. Hopefully they've got at least a Scots granny.


KIWI

Super Rugby

Johnny McNicholl - Wing - Crusaders- 1990
Brayden Mitchell - Hooker - Highlanders - 1989
Elliot Dixon - Flanker - Highlanders - 1989
Brett Mather - Centre - Highlanders - 1984
Baden Kerr - Fly Half - Blues - 1989
Quentin MacDonald - Hooker - Blues - 1988



ITM

Joel Mckenty Flanker - Northland 1981
Johnny Legg - Scrum Half, Otago - 1989
Jono Armstrong - Flanker, Waikato - 1987
Lee Allan - Flanker - Otago -1992
Paul Grant - Flanker - North Harbour - 1987
Chris McLaren - Lock - Counties - 1987
Scott Manson - Prop - Otago - 1988
Cole Campbell - Lock - Northland - 1987
Mark Murray - Centre - Waikato -
Jack Cameron - Fly Half - Taranaki -
Richard Johnston - Prop - Waikato - 1993
Jack McPhee - Wing - Northland - 1987
Adam Bradey - Flanker - Hawkes Bay - 1987
Glen Dickson - Fly Half - Otago - 1986
Nick McLennan - Fullback - Hawkes Bay - 1990
Sam Anderson-Heather - Hooker - Otago - 1988
Fraser Armstrong - Prop - Waikato - 1992


Playing in Japan

Hamish Paterson - Flanker - Japan (former Auckland player) - 1984
Fraser Anderson - Wing (Played RL for Tonga) - 1984

Playing in France

Hugh Chalmers - Flanker - Bordeaux - 1984


AUSSIE

Pat McCutcheon - Flanker - Waratahs - 1987
Michael Hodge - Wing - Waratahs - 1989
David McDuling - Lock - Reds - 1989
Nick Cummins - Centre - Force - 1987
Lachlan McCaffrey - no.8 - Force - 1990

Perhaps that should be a new qualification, if you sound Scottish you're eligible regardless of past caps.

"Perhaps that should be a new qualification, if you sound Scottish you're eligible regardless of past caps."

I may have missed one or two but the majority of these players haven't been capped so not really sure what you're getting at?

Good list madmaccas, might be worth a wee note to Sean?

nickj wrote:Good list madmaccas, might be worth a wee note to Sean?

Ha ha, you got his email?

Its got to be something like sean.lineen@sru.org.uk

The Director of Comms is: DOMINIC MCKAY
Director of Communications and Public Affairs

dominic.mckay@sru.org.uk
0131 346 5126
07812 419 150

Scott McLeod has been playing exceptionally well for us...athletic second row...
Probably past it now for going back in to Scotland...but hes doing very well.

Him and Hogg have been very stand out. Shiels has played well..

Majestic - are you Sean Lineen in disguise? You spotted Duncan Taylor months ago. Now he's in the A's. Nice work

Majestic83 wrote:Some others to add to the list are

Newcastle
Scott Wilson who is a prop
Fraser Wem big 6ft 9 lock in the academy
Callum MacRae - Skills Coach

Bath
Tom Heathcote - fly half

Exeter
Aly Muldowny - lock

Leicester
Scott Steele - Scrum Half

Sale
Will Bordill - Flanker Scotland u20 and sale academy

Saracens

Duncan Taylor - centre/wing
Ali Price - scrum half also joint registration with bedford
Ben Ransom - full back

London Irish
Ross Sansom

Worcester
Sam Atkin - winger/centre in the academy

Bristol

George Watkins - winger

Rabo 12

Connacht
Dylan Rogers - prop

Aironi
George Biagi - lock

Ospreys
Sam Torrance - scrum half

Italian super 10

Colin White- Back Row- Venezia Mestre
Ross Mccan- Parma
Jon Dunbar- #8 Parma
Steve Jones- full back-Parma
Robbie Kydd- Calvisano
Stephen Nicol- Lock- Calvisano

Rest of the World
Clark Laidlaw- Coach- New Zealand
David Gray- Strength and conditioning coach- Wellington
Richard Dixon- Coach- Gerogia
Tommaso Allan- Western Province centre/flyhalf
Brendan McKibbin- sh- Waratahs
Grayson Hart- sh- NSW Waratahs
Peter Stewart- centre- Nudgee College- Australia
Robbie Robinson- 12,15- Chiefs, NZ
Sean Maitland- Wing- Crusaders

Thats some of the scots qualified players i'm aware of a few of those i came across on another forum and also had a long list of rugby league players who are scots qualified too.

Robbie Robinson looks like the next most likely Lineen target.

Fingers crossed mate. What makes you you say that?

nickj wrote:Majestic - are you Sean Lineen in disguise? You spotted Duncan Taylor months ago. Now he's in the A's. Nice work

Majestic83 wrote:Some others to add to the list are

Newcastle
Scott Wilson who is a prop
Fraser Wem big 6ft 9 lock in the academy
Callum MacRae - Skills Coach

Bath
Tom Heathcote - fly half

Exeter
Aly Muldowny - lock

Leicester
Scott Steele - Scrum Half

Sale
Will Bordill - Flanker Scotland u20 and sale academy

Saracens

Duncan Taylor - centre/wing
Ali Price - scrum half also joint registration with bedford
Ben Ransom - full back

London Irish
Ross Sansom

Worcester
Sam Atkin - winger/centre in the academy

Bristol

George Watkins - winger

Rabo 12

Connacht
Dylan Rogers - prop

Aironi
George Biagi - lock

Ospreys
Sam Torrance - scrum half

Italian super 10

Colin White- Back Row- Venezia Mestre
Ross Mccan- Parma
Jon Dunbar- #8 Parma
Steve Jones- full back-Parma
Robbie Kydd- Calvisano
Stephen Nicol- Lock- Calvisano

Rest of the World
Clark Laidlaw- Coach- New Zealand
David Gray- Strength and conditioning coach- Wellington
Richard Dixon- Coach- Gerogia
Tommaso Allan- Western Province centre/flyhalf
Brendan McKibbin- sh- Waratahs
Grayson Hart- sh- NSW Waratahs
Peter Stewart- centre- Nudgee College- Australia
Robbie Robinson- 12,15- Chiefs, NZ
Sean Maitland- Wing- Crusaders

Thats some of the scots qualified players i'm aware of a few of those i came across on another forum and also had a long list of rugby league players who are scots qualified too.

haha nope i ain't Sean Lineen but wouldn't mind his job.

Yeah heard a few rumblings from New Zealand that Robbie Robinson could be keen to come across and play in Europe, doesn't seem to be in the frame for the ABs despite being in great form.
He has played the majority of his rugby at 15 but does say his favourite and best position is stand off so could be good for both parties if he were to come over.

You'd have to be happy if you were able to get Robbie Robinson. Good player, just very tough to get to the front of NZ FB queue.

Apparently John Hardie of the Highlanders is Scottish qualified and has been approached by Sean Lineen. Not been named in the provisional AB squad so could possibly be lured away with the promise of international rugby and some of the BT Sport money. Must be Edinburgh's turn by now?

Who is he and where does he play?

Higlanders openside, was reported in the press about a month or so ago. Said in the interview he was scottish qualified but didn't say he was looking for a move over at this stage! Good player, physical and good at supporting and following breaks. Would say Ross Rennie is better than him and John Barclay is probably on par with him.

I've never heard of this guy http://www.espn.co.uk/blogs/rugby/story/193329.html, but apparently he's good enough to coach the Springboks about the breakdown

Can't follow that link Nickj. Who is this guy? Scotland should frankly hire anyone who knows anything about the breakdown!

Sorry mate, not sure why that is. Try this one http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1796599/Scottish-coach-to-assist-Springboks

His name is Richie Gray and he's a breakdown specialist no less...

I would have said we could have done with signing him up, but on the other hand maybe we should give Matt Taylor et al a chance to show what they can do with a proper 7 fit and raring to go

Is that Richie Gray as in the inventor of the collision king?

http://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/sport/rugby/collision-king-already-proving-a-big-hit-for-richie-1-1704932

Think of all those players who Matt Williams, with that "Fortress Scotland" nonsense, wouldn't have even looked at, much less picked, if he had still been running the show.

Bet you miss him!

"Fortress Scotland" was a bad idea in context, but the principle is no different to Gatland's previous stance with Wales, and Johnson's stance with England (not to mention that of NZ, SA and Australia). Ireland have rarely used players plying their trade abroad.

It was just a bad idea for Scotland, given that we only have two sides and such limited resources. I almost don't blame him for trying it though. The poor tactics and selections on the other hand I do blame him for!

Sean Connery. He may be old but he's still a player.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Is that Richie Gray as in the inventor of the collision king?

http://www.thesouthernreporter.co.uk/sport/rugby/collision-king-already-proving-a-big-hit-for-richie-1-1704932

It looks very much like it is RDW, nice recall, what a random fountain of knowledge 606V2 is eh...

Must be highly thought of is SA are employing him as a consultant.

Well they employed P Divvy as head coach for several years, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.....

funnyExiledScot wrote:Well they employed P Divvy as head coach for several years, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.....

 


At least you know Gray is there on merit.

I thought Ansbro had called it a day on rugby???

He did Tattie, unfortunately he had to retire after a pretty horrific neck injury.

Has anyone heard anything more about Ihaia West? Did last week's rumours indicate any announcement would be made soon?

I thought it was dead and buried because he is not SQ

Really? When did you hear that?

Looks a really good talent. My thoughts are that we've got Weir and Russell at Glasgow but no real clear 10s at Edinburgh. Could Heathcote and West go to Edinburgh (with Tonks).

BTW, what do people think about Tonks playing centre? He's got a good kicking game and has a running game. Given we have Scott but then no real contenders (Strauss maybe), could he get game time there?

I think (or maybe hope) Edinburgh will stick with Leonard and Tonks at 10 for next season. Bezzie will probably stay too. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hunter and Francis move on as part of Solomon's big cull.

Tonks could be a good bet at 12, like you say he's got the right skills; but I'd be inclined to allow him to specialise at 10 before we start moving him around again.

So in reality Dot's rumour about a SQ number 10 signing was Duncan Weir renewing his contract....!   

RDW_Scotland wrote:So in reality Dot's rumour about a SQ number 10 signing was Duncan Weir renewing his contract....!   

  

Let's either keep Tonks at 15, or move him to 10. I'm sure he could do a job at 12, but with Strauss and Scott we don't really need him there.

Tonks, Bezzy and Leonard should be the options at 10. Cuthbert and Brown should handle the duties at 15. That's what I would do.

It's wing where we're short. For me Visser and Fife would be first choice, with Jones, Farndale, Hoyland and Walker covering. I suspect Walker might be done though. I'd also like Fife to play some rugby at 13 next season. I think that will ultimately be his best position.