sin cara

anyone else really quite looking forward to his debut tonight ?
the guy looks awesome, like rey mysterio but better

so will he target for his 1st feud? dolph, jomo? bourne?

How about with Bourne vs Slater and Gabriel for the (worthless) tag titles?

I am but i know ill be left unhappy when it comes to fruition that his move set has been watered down to wwe's choice. The fact he speaks no english means he will be a mid carder with little/no mic time and will no doubt be getting squashed 3 months down the line!!

Any decent face managers to put him with?

If the Rumours are true he could be put with jimmy hart who's apparently on his way back. But I think if he comes back he'll either be back stage or a heel manager

is Sin cara acctually debueting tonight then

he meant to be debuting tonight.

ok just hadn't seen anything deffinant other that what i said the other week

His moveset hasnt been watered down to suit the WWE way, id like to see him go against Bourne, would ba a fantastic match.

But will probably be a squash match againt Di Biase

Tyson Kidd would be a good oponent for him

I actually felt last night during the Cody v Rey match that Rey was showing the first signs of heeldom. Using Cody's mask to hit diving headbutts etc isn't the usual Rey moveset.
I wonder if Sin debuts that they make Rey be the jealous older one who tries to get rid of his potential rival.

I'm not sure, I think the WWE like to try and tell a story in their matches, the story was all about the mask and Cody using it on him, same with the knee brace, I just don't see how Rey can be a realistic heel, i get the scenario i just dont know if its the way to go

Just a thought, any chance Sin Cara could straight into the main event scene? He certainly looks good enough, if not having the WWE style. Would make for interesting match ups. Plus, he will draw a lot of money from mexico, and there are no obvious opponents for the Miz. I don't think it will happen, wouldn't be surprised if it did though

Agree with theanimal316, Sin Cara could head directly for the main event because of his heritage similarly to how Del Rio has progressed over the recent months, and lets face it, as good as he is technically, the reason Rey Mysterio has had so much success is down to how much the WWE makes from his masks and his following in Mexico!

Smackdown has a huge following in Mexico because of Rey Mysterio. Sin Cara debuts on Raw and they could emulate the success in Mexico with Raw! Not to mention Sin Cara/Mistico masks being worn everywhere, if Sin Cara isn't in the main event by September i'll be very surprised.

It might be a good idea to put him against Miz and let Miz get a good win under his belt, the only problem is his English

I'd like to see him enter into a feud with CM Punk,in the not to distant future.

mid card heels on Raw....... Ziggler, Regal if put on screen or straight into a fued with Sheamus. For me Sin Cara Vs Ziggler would be good, a match a extreme rules maybe for that?

Anyone for Bryan Vs Sheamus in a last man standing match at extreme rules?

Well your question has been answered - looks like Sheamus for the US Title - perhaps Bryan thrown in?

Maybe a ladder match at Extreme Rules? Something that will suit his style?

Sin Cara V Sheamus V DBD at Extreme Rules in any guise for the title would be incredible. An epic clash of three juxtaposed styles- High Flyer v Powerhouse v Mat based submission specialist. Can't see it being anything short of awesome.

And then they'd shove it either as a dark match or end it after 90 seconds to add a bit more time to Lawler v Cole 2.

Hero wrote:And then they'd shove it either as a dark match or end it after 90 seconds to add a bit more time to Lawler v Cole 2.

I know - this is the problem with the WWE at the moment. It is endemic in the organisation and can be seen in the fact that the ad breaks are scheduled in the matches and not the other way around.

It would be like putting the ad breaks in the middle of the football so we could watch Gary Linekar and Adrian Chiles more...... oh wait, yeah, ITV already tried that!

My hope (possibly forlorn) is that HHH will bring the focus at least back to what happens in the ring more when he is running things.

I didn’t stay up for RAW last night but it was a refreshing surprise to read that the tag match of Orton/Rey v Punk/Rhodes lasted over 16 minutes. That’s a rare occurrence for RAW nowadays and I wonder if that is in response to the backlash regarding some of the match lengths at Mania?

Hero wrote:I didn’t stay up for RAW last night but it was a refreshing surprise to read that the tag match of Orton/Rey v Punk/Rhodes lasted over 16 minutes. That’s a rare occurrence for RAW nowadays and I wonder if that is in response to the backlash regarding some of the match lengths at Mania?

I noticed that as well, Bryan v Sheamus got airtime, as did Ziggler v Morrison and the bints. Seems like RAW was the run over from WM.

It certainly did seem to include some more action, which was refreshing.

Btw, KB, you are averaging 28 messages per day - good going!

I'm not a big fan of wrestling on RAW anyway, i like Raw to be used to build PPV matches, the tag match was good tho Orton has just become another good guy face, he should have RKO'd Rey after the smile and handshake, Austin has looked more dedicated in the last 2 days than he has anxtime in the last 10 years

JoshSansom wrote:It certainly did seem to include some more action, which was refreshing.

Btw, KB, you are averaging 28 messages per day - good going! :)

Cheers! It's cause i'm really bad at my job and far too dedicated to this place!

I like to believe we're all slightly bad at our jobs

the-gaffer wrote:I like to believe we're all slightly bad at our jobs

But the important part is that we learn something from each day, and today I learned that I prefer discussing fights involving spray tanned, speedoed men than I do working.... and that's an achievement.

I thought we all learnt that many years ago

In response to Hero, yes the tag match did last a fair while. It may be important to note that there were two ad breaks in it.

And KB. Sheamus/Bryan match given time. I think it was around 4 minutes, but that is from memory, I didn't time it. Someone can feel free to go look, but I believe that's about right. I was disappointed. I'm a massive DBD fan, so was pished to see what could have been an epic match cut from the card and then the Raw match not given long enough.

While fans of Bryan and Sheamus could be concerned about them being cut from Mania it should be pointed out that Miz was cut from Mania 25

Ive only just watched his debut. Im not being funny, but I wasnt all that impressed with it. I love his high flying acrobatic style and was really impressed by his moves, but after the promos, I was expecting a full match. Or is that asking too much?

Jammy31 wrote:Ive only just watched his debut. Im not being funny, but I wasnt all that impressed with it. I love his high flying acrobatic style and was really impressed by his moves, but after the promos, I was expecting a full match. Or is that asking too much?

I think that they will want to ramp up the excitement before his first match and may make it at a PPV...

I was happy with his debut. I did find it amusing to read that he used a trampoline to jump into the ring though. If they keep doing that stunt, it's going to go badly wrong at some point!

Davieswasacrippledtart wrote:I was happy with his debut. I did find it amusing to read that he used a trampoline to jump into the ring though. If they keep doing that stunt, it's going to go badly wrong at some point!

Agreed! He nearly botched the jump as it was

Cymru1991 wrote:Agreed! He nearly botched the jump as it was

That made me laugh. I was expecting him to make it clean over the rope. Surely he's done it enough times by now?!

Even though me messed that up, he was still a breath of fresh air.

But what does it mean after he saved Bryan by attacking Sheamus? Is he just saying "I've arrived" or will this create a feud?

It's hardly noticable though but i do agree it was botched on the entrance but i'm still excited to see what he brings to the WWE long term.

I don't think jumping on a trampoline over ropes was particularly impressive...

I think he was really nervous when he rolled and stood up you could see him shaking, I'd like to see his next one I think hell settle in and then it will be fine.

John-Original Name King wrote:I don't think jumping on a trampoline over ropes was particularly impressive...

Didn't the Spirit Squad occasionally use a trampoline to jump into the ring and for other high-flying ringside shenanigans?

There's a tailor-made feud for Sin Cara right there, Dolph Ziggler getting jealous over gimmick infringement.

Makes it a bit hard for him to do run ins though.

‘hmm wonder why there’s a trampoline at the side of the ring?’

I reckon they should curveball it and have Mark Henry come down instead.

Mark Henry should come out, jump on the trampoline, break it then sit there with bits of trampoline all around him as a single tear trickles down his face whilst he gets flashbacks to Christmas 1981 when all he wanted was a puppy but ended up sitting on it and killing it whereby his mother made him eat it and he choked back the tears as he ate Pookie with his mother and granny whipping him with Dettol covered barbed wire.

To be fair to him, the height of the ring is about 9ft ropes included (Note: I don't know the exact height of a WWE ring), so the trampoline is probably needed. But at the end of the day, it's his in-ring moves that Im looking forward to seeing.

Putting Sin Cara with Bryan in his debut (with possible involvement with Sheamus of course) would be a smart move by WWE IMO, Im lead to belive that wrestling Lucha Libre is very different to wrestling WWE style -asthetics aside moves are supposedly taken on the left in Lucha as opposed to the right in most other styles (apparently even the great Chris Benoit struggled to come to terms with this when he 1st wrestled in mexico) and despite Mistico also performing in Japan on occassion someone like Bryan with a background of performing in mexico as well as being the most well travelled wrestler currently in WWE would be ideal to help him adjust initially

Thats an intresting bit of info, I think he would be having a few behind closed doors matches with Chavo Rey and Del Rio as well as Bryan to help him get to grips with a different style

Just watching Raw again and I can see the reason he nearly botched his entrance. The trampoline is pressed up right against the ring, whoever put it there didn't give him an angle to get up and over the ropes he literally had to dive straight at them. If you get a chance watch again where he points towards Sheamus, you can see how the trampoline is positioned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sZX-SQXeDw from 1.00 onwards you can make it out

Unbelievable! One of the most anticipated WWE debuts in recent memory is nearly ruined by a goddam trampoline! We nearly had an 'Ultimo Dragon at Wrestlemania 20' moment there.