Man Utd thread

by Liam Tue 07 Aug 2012, 9:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

There are a few Utd fans like myself on the board but like the LFC one set up, everyone are welcome to discuss Utd's results and news etc..

Playing Barca tomorrow night, only a pre-season game but would like to see Kagwa given a run out tomorrow night see what he's got against the best.

by User 774433 Thu 27 Dec 2012, 4:22 pm

Yes that's right Olly, but as I pointed out he was already having to mark Cisse- so his position is poor. This when he does move he feels he has to make contact to stop Cisse scoring, and sticks his leg out.

If Cisse wasn't there Evans would have been in a better position, and with no striker to worry about he could have reacted and moved much quicker.

by Lumbering_Jack Thu 27 Dec 2012, 4:48 pm

Cisse by the letter of the law was not interfering with play. Evans makes contact with Cisse not the other way round. Standing in an offside position does not make you offside.

Good call by Riley who observed the laws perfectly got that particular instance. For the rest if the game he should've had a red shirt on.

by User 774433 Thu 27 Dec 2012, 4:59 pm

Drawing a defender towards you is interfering with play.
If he wasn't there, Evans wouldn't have stuck his leg out randomly and scored an own goal.

If that's not interfering with play I don't know what is. You don't need to make contact with the ball to interfere.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Thu 27 Dec 2012, 4:59 pm

I must say I think it's completely outrageous that Fergie wasn't sent to the stands.

I saw Chris Powell sent to the stands in a recent Charlton match away at Sheff Wednesday when he literally went and spoke to the ref at half time, and he wasn't shouting or anything

by Lumbering_Jack Thu 27 Dec 2012, 5:21 pm

If a defender chooses to move towards a player in an offside position that is his own doing. The law was clearly explained on SSN today, you should check it out.

by Liam Thu 27 Dec 2012, 8:04 pm

Evans was not to know Ba was in an offside position. His thinking was, christ he's goal side of me and there's a ball coming towards him. He flung a leg at it recklessly and thus the ball went in the back of the net.

I think without Ba there, Evans clears that ball from where it came from with his left peg. With Ba there, he is lunging for the ball to prevent Ba getting it, and is have to stretch for it with Ba on his shoulder. To me, Ba being so close has caused Evans to fling a leg at it in desperation, causing him to do something I don't think he would have done had he not have been as close to Evans.

I thought it was offside personally. No harm done anyway, although we really need some signings either in Jan or the summer. Desperately need some legs in midfield and a play maker. Hopefully Shinji will be back for the Madrid games, he'll make a real difference and Anderson was finding some form before he got injured. those two and Nani will all improve our squad when they come back.

by Ent Thu 27 Dec 2012, 9:25 pm

The ref also missed colocini handling the ball and him fouling Hernandez in the box.

He also added on a lot of injury time for the injury in the 94th minute.

Don't think you can blame the ref when you got the biggest decision of the game your way (incorrectly).

by Lumbering_Jack Thu 27 Dec 2012, 9:45 pm

Man utd fans think it was offside, rest of the footballing community disagree. I'm shocked.

by Liam Thu 27 Dec 2012, 9:59 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Man utd fans think it was offside, rest of the footballing community disagree. I'm shocked.

I try and distanced myself from some disillusioned utd fans on many luny opinions but i honestly thought it was offside.

by Liam Thu 27 Dec 2012, 10:03 pm

Lewandoski looks set for Utd in Jan if not the summer. Just don't see why we're after him as we already have RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. Only thing we could do is:

-Sell one of Hernandez or Welbeck. I'd prefer Welbeck to leave as I just think he's too hot and cold. Hernandez is a genuine goal scorer and i'd like him to stay at the club unless we recieve an offer of around 15-20m.

-Rooney goes to cm. He has the qualities to play there and he come pretty deep anyway. His passing is superb and could be a successor to Scholes there. He has a good engine so it looks like he could do a job there with Lewandowski and RVP up front.

Still, I think we need someone like Mouthino and then a hard working cm like Lassana Diarra someone like that.

by The Special Juan Thu 27 Dec 2012, 10:07 pm

Liam wrote:Lewandoski looks set for Utd in Jan if not the summer. Just don't see why we're after him as we already have RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez. Only thing we could do is:

-Sell one of Hernandez or Welbeck. I'd prefer Welbeck to leave as I just think he's too hot and cold. Hernandez is a genuine goal scorer and i'd like him to stay at the club unless we recieve an offer of around 15-20m.

-Rooney goes to cm. He has the qualities to play there and he come pretty deep anyway. His passing is superb and could be a successor to Scholes there. He has a good engine so it looks like he could do a job there with Lewandowski and RVP up front.

Still, I think we need someone like Mouthino and then a hard working cm like Lassana Diarra someone like that.

Surely Utd are not signing Lewandowski? We don't need him! I'd rather take Hummels/Gundogan off of them. LB is definitely the necessity though. How many of this season's goals have come from Evra being poor?

by Ent Fri 28 Dec 2012, 10:47 am

All getting a bit girly between fergie and pardew isn't it.

Pardews annoyed at the result so has a go at fergie, fergie feels disrespected so dismisses Newcastle. School yard stuff.

by Lumbering_Jack Fri 28 Dec 2012, 7:51 pm

I think Pardew was annoyed that Fergie showed a blatant lack if respect for the officials and no action was taken by the FA hitch is laughable when both Redkanpp and Mancini have been asked to explain themselves.

I'm not surprised or especially annoyed because Fergie always gets away with this type of behaviour.

by User 774433 Fri 28 Dec 2012, 7:55 pm

Pardew is hardly one to talk Laugh

by Ent Fri 28 Dec 2012, 8:05 pm

At the end of the day Fergie was talking to the officials and they didn't make any statements about it in their report where as Mancini and Redknapp both moaned about it in post match interviews.

They've been asked to explain their actions and may not be charged.

Pardew showed no respect for Fergie and whilst I have no problem with Fergie's remarks about Pardew he shouldn't haven't rubbished Newcastle (even if it does have some truth to it).

by Liam Fri 28 Dec 2012, 8:14 pm

Just all ridiculous. Its incredible where you compare the relationship between players and official in rugby and football. In rugby, complete respect for the referee, his word goes and if you argue with him regardless if the decision was wrong, your side is penalized even more. Also, only the captain can talk to the referee about a decision.

Football can learn allot from rugby. Some things they can bring in are:

-Managers must sit in the stands at all times and communicate via technology to the bench
-Only the captain can discuss a decision with the referee
-move the ball 10 yards forward for any derogatory remarks towards officials following a foul being given.

Little things can bring great respect and overall a greater image to the game. I'm not trying to say which sport is better (I prefer football if you were wondering) but the contrasts between two great sports in the respect states is astounding.

by Ent Fri 28 Dec 2012, 8:37 pm

Rugby is not a great sport, its a minority sport played by 8 nations seriously and a 5 aside version has a constant claim to be a superior form of the game.

The 10 yard thing is already a rule in football, refs perogative to enforce it.

As for sitting in the stands, why wouldn't you want coaches on the sidelines? They are paid to coach the team.

As for reputation of the game/cheating, name a footballer who has eye gouged, spear tackled, or stomped on an opponents head in recent times?

Or faked a blood injury to engineer a subsitution, or bend the rules to such a degree they are constantly changed.

Call the ref sir and you get away with murder.

Rugby has infinitely more to learn from football than the other way round.

edit:

Well thats a beer fueled rant, but it grinds my gears the comparison to rugby - next up we'll be having polo speaking down on us as they are more polite...

by Liam Fri 28 Dec 2012, 9:02 pm

Ent wrote:Rugby is not a great sport, its a minority sport played by 8 nations seriously and a 5 aside version has a constant claim to be a superior form of the game.

The 10 yard thing is already a rule in football, refs perogative to enforce it.

As for sitting in the stands, why wouldn't you want coaches on the sidelines? They are paid to coach the team.

As for reputation of the game/cheating, name a footballer who has eye gouged, spear tackled, or stomped on an opponents head in recent times?

Or faked a blood injury to engineer a subsitution, or bend the rules to such a degree they are constantly changed.

Call the ref sir and you get away with murder.

Rugby has infinitely more to learn from football than the other way round.

edit:

Well thats a beer fueled rant, but it grinds my gears the comparison to rugby - next up we'll be having polo speaking down on us as they are more polite...

All you've done there is pick up the extreme negatives of rugby which don't happen often. Those extreme offences are dealt with by the authorities and are given long retrospective bans, although some in recent times have been lenient I admit.

Like I said, this isn't a comparison of which sport is better, but ideas which can be incorporated into the sport of football.

If I asked you which sport has greater respect between officials and coaches/players, which sport would you say?

by Lumbering_Jack Fri 28 Dec 2012, 9:57 pm

I think the reason Fergie gets so much bad press is because of the size of man utd without doubt.

They are a club largely followed by armchair glory hunters and the ones who do attend the match barely whisper. For this reason they will never be liked.

by Ent Sat 29 Dec 2012, 1:28 am

Liam wrote:
Ent wrote:Rugby is not a great sport, its a minority sport played by 8 nations seriously and a 5 aside version has a constant claim to be a superior form of the game.

The 10 yard thing is already a rule in football, refs perogative to enforce it.

As for sitting in the stands, why wouldn't you want coaches on the sidelines? They are paid to coach the team.

As for reputation of the game/cheating, name a footballer who has eye gouged, spear tackled, or stomped on an opponents head in recent times?

Or faked a blood injury to engineer a subsitution, or bend the rules to such a degree they are constantly changed.

Call the ref sir and you get away with murder.

Rugby has infinitely more to learn from football than the other way round.

edit:

Well thats a beer fueled rant, but it grinds my gears the comparison to rugby - next up we'll be having polo speaking down on us as they are more polite...

All you've done there is pick up the extreme negatives of rugby which don't happen often. Those extreme offences are dealt with by the authorities and are given long retrospective bans, although some in recent times have been lenient I admit.

Like I said, this isn't a comparison of which sport is better, but ideas which can be incorporated into the sport of football.

If I asked you which sport has greater respect between officials and coaches/players, which sport would you say?

Football, false platitudes are worse than the truth.

For pr rugby has it sewn up though.

Would you rather footballers cheated constantly, so much so that the rules need changed on a yearly basis but called the ref sir?

Lj jealousy will get you no where, full stadium every week, record attendances for the 2nd division. Best away support in the land. Fact is the only reason we are disliked is that we win- a mortal sin for a nation of losers.

by Lumbering_Jack Sat 29 Dec 2012, 10:15 am

You most definitely do not have the best away support...

Man City have created far more noise than you the last couple if seasons. Also better than Man Utd are West Ham, Chelsea, Liverpool, Norwich, Sunderland (although it is a derby), Everton.

Don't get me wrong, you don't have bad away support, but most of your followers just expect victory so when it happens it obviously doesn't mean as much.

And footballers do constantly cheat, but the FA refuse to act on timely basis. Football has a lot to Learn from rugby.

by Liam Sat 29 Dec 2012, 10:58 am

Ent wrote:
Liam wrote:
Ent wrote:Rugby is not a great sport, its a minority sport played by 8 nations seriously and a 5 aside version has a constant claim to be a superior form of the game.

The 10 yard thing is already a rule in football, refs perogative to enforce it.

As for sitting in the stands, why wouldn't you want coaches on the sidelines? They are paid to coach the team.

As for reputation of the game/cheating, name a footballer who has eye gouged, spear tackled, or stomped on an opponents head in recent times?

Or faked a blood injury to engineer a subsitution, or bend the rules to such a degree they are constantly changed.

Call the ref sir and you get away with murder.

Rugby has infinitely more to learn from football than the other way round.

edit:

Well thats a beer fueled rant, but it grinds my gears the comparison to rugby - next up we'll be having polo speaking down on us as they are more polite...

All you've done there is pick up the extreme negatives of rugby which don't happen often. Those extreme offences are dealt with by the authorities and are given long retrospective bans, although some in recent times have been lenient I admit.

Like I said, this isn't a comparison of which sport is better, but ideas which can be incorporated into the sport of football.

If I asked you which sport has greater respect between officials and coaches/players, which sport would you say?

Football, false platitudes are worse than the truth.

For pr rugby has it sewn up though.

Would you rather footballers cheated constantly, so much so that the rules need changed on a yearly basis but called the ref sir?

Lj jealousy will get you no where, full stadium every week, record attendances for the 2nd division. Best away support in the land. Fact is the only reason we are disliked is that we win- a mortal sin for a nation of losers.

Footballers do cheat constantly though. Look at this diving debacle, its escalated allot this year with Suarez and Bale at the forefront and Ashley Young last season, so much so people are trying to find ways of preventing it and thinking of new laws you could introduce to rid the sport of it.

Also rugby is a far more complicated sport than football which is why rules are changed on a regular basis. For example, the ruck and scrum. Everything is done to improve player safety, fairness and also for entertainment purposes. For example, the law that if you pass the ball back into the 22, you can't kick it straight out, encouraging running rugby.

Its quite clear that there is a better and more respectful relationship in rugby between officials and players. That's what we're looking at here, not the two sports and their positive and negative attributes. I think football can learn allot from rugby in regards to respect between officials and players.

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 29 Dec 2012, 11:06 am

Lumbering_Jack wrote:You most definitely do not have the best away support...

Man City have created far more noise than you the last couple if seasons. Also better than Man Utd are West Ham, Chelsea, Liverpool, Norwich, Sunderland (although it is a derby), Everton.

Don't get me wrong, you don't have bad away support, but most of your followers just expect victory so when it happens it obviously doesn't mean as much.

And footballers do constantly cheat, but the FA refuse to act on timely basis. Football has a lot to Learn from rugby.

Thank you LJ! We do travel in good numbers tbf, but then there isn't much else to do on the weekends round here!

And I would echo LJ's statement on the away support in that your away support is pretty good, but I would say of the ones to be at Carrow Road Spurs, Man City and West Ham were all better

by Ent Sat 29 Dec 2012, 12:56 pm

Success breeds jealousy unfortunately. Disagree on the away suppoet but that is in the eye of the beholder.

Rugby we will just have to agree to disagree, I don't think calling the ref sir excuses their general behaviour or constant cheating.

by TopHat24/7 Sat 29 Dec 2012, 3:32 pm

Lumbering_Jack wrote:Man utd fans think it was offside, rest of the footballing community disagree. I'm shocked.

Oi! Don't tarnish all United fans just because some have been taken down with that blind retardation that afflicts so many football fans. Was chatting to two die hard United fans last night and a former season ticket holder just after the match and all agreed the decision was correct (though degrees of agreement varied).

As Bobby Robson (I think) once said, anyone that steps out on that field is interfering with play. Which is why the Fifa rules need to be interpreted with logic beyond the level of a 5 yr old.

by Ent Sat 29 Dec 2012, 6:56 pm

Dire game today, pitch didn't help - only quality from rvp.

by cherriesfna Tue 01 Jan 2013, 8:14 pm

Thanks for softening Wigan up for use

by matth7 Wed 02 Jan 2013, 9:08 am

Wigan confirm that Angelo Henriquez has joined them on loan until the end of the season - http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/news/article/13-01-02-henriquez-move-confirmed-572241.aspx

by Liam Wed 02 Jan 2013, 11:27 am

matth7 wrote:Wigan confirm that Angelo Henriquez has joined them on loan until the end of the season - http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/news/article/13-01-02-henriquez-move-confirmed-572241.aspx

Be interested to see how he does. Never seen him play before but sounds like a decent player. Tall, strong, good in the air with good technical ability. One for the future and hopefully he can get some game time.

by Ent Wed 02 Jan 2013, 12:00 pm

Will need a few years on loan, got some battle on him to even be 4th or 5th choice striker.

by DP Thu 17 Jan 2013, 7:45 pm

Shame to see about Fletcher being out until the summer - although hopefully it should see the end of his problem.

by Ent Sun 20 Jan 2013, 2:47 am

Liam wrote:
matth7 wrote:Wigan confirm that Angelo Henriquez has joined them on loan until the end of the season - http://www.wiganlatics.co.uk/news/article/13-01-02-henriquez-move-confirmed-572241.aspx

Be interested to see how he does. Never seen him play before but sounds like a decent player. Tall, strong, good in the air with good technical ability. One for the future and hopefully he can get some game time.

First goal today!

by TopHat24/7 Mon 21 Jan 2013, 2:32 pm

Did you see the game/highlights, Ent? Did he look any good?

by matth7 Tue 22 Jan 2013, 12:32 pm

we're going to hold talks with Crystal palace tomorrow over Wilfried Zaha - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21143029

by The Special Juan Tue 22 Jan 2013, 6:09 pm

Hopefully it's the end of Nani.

by Ent Tue 22 Jan 2013, 6:12 pm

Didn't see the game, just his goal unfortunately.

Wouldn't want to lose nani, he is a quality player - unfortunately injury problems for the last year have severely hampered him.

Valencia needs to get his finger out too if he wants to remain in the side.

by 6oldenbhoy Tue 22 Jan 2013, 10:07 pm

Sir Alex was in attendance to watch the Celtic game tonight. Wanyama scored and bossed the midfield in general.

by The Special Juan Tue 22 Jan 2013, 10:30 pm

He's the best player in the SPL by a mile and he's pretty young too. I've seen the pundits analyse him on Sportscene a couple of times and he looks like a rougher (more youthful, not more rugged) version of Yaya Toure. However, he's got Arsenal written all over him. Still, I wouldn't refuse him at Man Utd at all.

by 6oldenbhoy Tue 22 Jan 2013, 10:49 pm

Agree he's the best player in the SPL and I don't think Celtic have scratched the surface regarding his potential. Martin Ferguson is at Parkhead most weeks to watch him so there is definite interest on your side. Read that Arsenal are pondering a bid in the Independent today, but the article also mentioned Real Madrid are monitoring. I'm skeptical of that link though.

by Ent Wed 23 Jan 2013, 9:36 am

Would prefer Wanyama to zaha, don't really know why we are bothering with him if I'm honest.

by Liam Wed 23 Jan 2013, 3:44 pm

Would like both. Zaha is a very talented player and would fit in well at utd. Wanyama is exactly the type of player I've been calling for in Utd's midfield. We despeerately lack someone who can run all day and go box to box. This is what I feel trips us up in Europe, as the greater technical ability of players requires someone to close them down quicker. We don't have that. Would love both at the club now but more than likely we'll only get Zaha now, then possible Wanyama in the Summer. Would also love us to get Gaitan from Benfica. He oozes class.

by **Crimey** Fri 25 Jan 2013, 11:46 am

Paul Scholes has apparently signed up for a charity bike ride which takes place at the same time as the Champions League final. Confidence.

by TopHat24/7 Fri 25 Jan 2013, 2:23 pm

Crimey wrote:Paul Scholes has apparently signed up for a charity bike ride which takes place at the same time as the Champions League final. Confidence.

by matth7 Fri 25 Jan 2013, 10:03 pm

we've signed Wilfried Zaha - http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2013/Jan/zaha-agreement-reached-manchester-united-crystal-palace.aspx

He passed his medical earlier and has signed a 5 1/2 year deal.

by Ent Fri 25 Jan 2013, 11:53 pm

Gaitan is A big time Charlie, does something good every 5 or 6 games, no thanks.

Zaha, jones, smalling costing £41 million, add young and kagawa into that and we basically could have purchased falcao and sneijder (at his peak)...

A huge amount of cash on unproven or sub elite players.

Don't get me wrong I really like jones and smalling but we are bargain bucket shopping, spending 10-15 million on players we think will be worth 30-40 million to us in 3-5 years time instead of speaking on proven quality.

by GSC Sat 26 Jan 2013, 12:36 am

You also have to pay Falcao 200k a week plus.

by Ent Sat 26 Jan 2013, 1:48 am

Was just an example as I prefer rvp but I'm sure the wage bill for those 4 or 5 wouldn't be much different for 2 stars.

by neilthom7 Sat 26 Jan 2013, 12:10 pm

True but you would have 3 less players to use when people get injured

by **Good Golly I'm Olly** Sat 26 Jan 2013, 12:26 pm

I don't see the problem with buying stars for the future tbh when you are in Utd's position!

Not as if they are walking the league and still in Europe with a good shot of the CL

by sparxz Sat 26 Jan 2013, 12:29 pm

Ent wrote:
Don't get me wrong I really like jones and smalling but we are bargain bucket shopping, spending 10-15 million on players we think will be worth 30-40 million to us in 3-5 years time instead of speaking on proven quality.

You obviously Forgetting the millions spent on a proven RVP then!

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