Scotland's annual wum (or not)

wum alert! wum alert!
For the umpteenth year in a row Scotland enter the upcoming international season with great prospects.

Once again there has been a triumphal summer for the nation in the Southern hemisphere sweeping aside not only the PIs but Oz.

Added to this Edinburgh were HEC semi-finalists and Glasgow came third in the Rabo.

This time Scotland will progress. This year McYoungsters will come to the fore (well maybe next year). This year (next year, sometime never ...).

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It's important that before the start of each season Scotland are labelled 'dark horses' and tipped for great things. This yearly ritual 'tops up' the dark magic which keeps Scotland in the bottom two of the 6 nations. Without it we would all be crushed under boot. Well done Portnoy for keeping this cruel but necessary ritual alive.

Scotland to finish 3rd in the 6n's this year for me!

Ah its just the usual cliché that journos trot out every year.

Lets play a game. I'll write an over used cliche and you all guess what team it refers to.

"Which team will turn up?"

"Still Rebuilding"

"A plucky defeat but full of passion"

"Played well for 60 minutes but ultimately beaten by a better side"

"A dark horse for the 6 Nations"

"They did well last season but are inconsistent year after year"

You can be as patronizing as you like, but this time I for one am convinced Scotland can do even better than last 6N

"Which team will turn up?" - France? Edinburgh perhaps!

"Still Rebuilding" - Probs england, but its more fun to think they mean Oz

"A plucky defeat but full of passion" - Scotland

"Played well for 60 minutes but ultimately beaten by a better side" - ireland?

"A dark horse for the 6 Nations" - Scotland again?

"They did well last season but are inconsistent year after year" - Take yer pick, Ireland, Wales, England, SA, Arg

Portnoy wrote: ( As)

How bout these ones?

"they are an ageing team"

"They've promised so much but delivered so little"

"They have some world class players but they don't perform together"

"When the big occasion comes, they tend to go hiding"

"The team needs more than one leader"

"The captain needs to lead by example, not cry like a baby"

They can dust off once more that over-supply of Calcutta Cup Winner t-shirts

Oh - erm - welcome back from the gulag awop.

They need some consistentcy in their rugby. The only thing they are consistent at is being dark horses, which is their annual label. But I to think they will do a lot better this time around. Just who will it be at the expense of? France hopefully.

Scotland have three home games in a row (sandwiched between trips to Twickenham and Paris). That should be a chance to get some momentum going.

They should be confident of beating Italy at home and possibly Ireland. Wales will be tough (even at home) and going to Twickenham in the first game will be very difficult, considering their previous record there. I can see them winning against France if they've already got a couple of good results under their belt by then unless the French are having a good tournament.

Two wins should be a minimum aim, but I don't see them getting top half.

We will not improve at all as long as the Bath Bell End is in charge

21st Century Schizoid Man wrote:We will not improve at all as long as the Bath Bell End is in charge

Change the record, mate.

Why has he gone ?

No, and he won't be going anywhere for a while. Suck it up and talk about something different.

http://www.rugbyworld.com/news/rbs-6-nations-fixtures-2013/

look at their fixtures

it is all about the calcutta cup and if they can win that anything is possible

beat eng at twix and they will smash italy at home; with that momentum i think beating ireland at home won't be all that hard. that's 3/3
they then have wales at home too who if history has tuaght us anything, will finish 4th after a slam year.

so its France in Paris for the Slam....easy

Love this article, i also find the whole dark horse tag that Scotland throw around before every season hilarious.

Scotland for the Grand Slam

Can I also get my jinx in early for 2015? Scotland to stun the world and win the RWC with a thrilling 55-point victory over NZ in the final

Scotland to be thrown out of the 6 Nations for paying match organisers to play Kenny Loggins' 'Playing With The Boys' whenever England take the field.

Euan Murray to be handed a lifetime ban for snorting charlie from the bonnet of Lady Gaga's limousine.


Just keeping it real.

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tigertattie wrote:How bout these ones?

"they are an ageing team"

"They've promised so much but delivered so little"

"They have some world class players but they don't perform together"

"When the big occasion comes, they tend to go hiding"

"The team needs more than one leader"

"The captain needs to lead by example, not cry like a baby"

All those accusations have been levelled at Ireland this summer.

Delighted that we've established my copyright, fellas!

Much truth in all that has been said this far, but sorry to disappoint you all, even tho my rational side knows all of the above, my hopes for the coming season for the Scotland team will be set firmly to irrational and unlikely-ever-to-be-fulfilled

Oh ye of little faith,Scotland have nothing like the resources of England ,who has?They did something none of the other touring sides WIN.Belittle them all you like at least they beat Australia,something Wales failed to do at 3 attempts.As an Anglo-Scot i`m proud of my heritage against any versus the All Blacks.Sometimes when threads like this appear and I remember smug England and France sides.Counting there chickens,then going home with there tails between there legs.They won`t win the 6Ns,but just may rub some noses in the dirt too!!!

I certainly hope that Scotland do win a few more in the 6N this year because with the same certainty as Inverdale having three shirt buttons undone, all of the Lions 50:50 player calls will fall in the favour of the player who has been on a winning side the most.

Bunch of arse, but hewn in granite and then dipped in bronze as a rule.

You're right Emack. 6 Nations and AI's aside Scotland are world beaters. How much NZ heritage do you have btw?

Morgannwg wrote:You're right Emack. 6 Nations and AI's aside Scotland are world beaters. How much NZ heritage do you have btw?

Morganwg, any chance you could restrain your childish, antagonistic and patronising comments to threads about Wales and Welsh teams? Would be so much better for the rest of us. Cheers

Hmmm, I didn't see you tell Emack or Portnoy to stop being patronising. Sorry, no room for favouritism here

Wales most recent probable team

Leigh Halfpenny
Alex Cuthbert Gloucester
Jonathan Davies Solihull
Ashley Beck
George North Kings Lynn
Rhys Priestland
Mike Phillips
Gethin Jenkins
Matthew Rees
Adam Jones
Luke Charteris Camborne
Alun Wyn Jones
Dan Lydiate Salford
Sam Warburton
Toby Faletau - Tonga

Lets not talk about the birth place two most influential members of the coaching staff

yeah thats 6 out 15 starters...... not exactly a Welsh team that has won so much over the last two seasons is it

To get back to the original thread
Autumn Internationals will give the inexperienced but talented players some added game time against the "best of breed" which can only bode well for the 6Ns which by the way is SIX MONTHS AWAY....... I am confident we will have a better 6Ns that the last five

flyhalffactory wrote:Wales most recent probable team

Leigh Halfpenny
Alex Cuthbert Gloucester
Jonathan Davies Solihull
Ashley Beck
George North Kings Lynn
Rhys Priestland
Mike Phillips
Gethin Jenkins
Matthew Rees
Adam Jones
Luke Charteris Camborne
Alun Wyn Jones
Dan Lydiate Salford
Sam Warburton
Toby Faletau - Tonga

yeah thats 6 out 15 starters...... not exactly a Welsh team that has won so much over the last two seasons is it

To get back to the original thread
Autumn Internationals will give the inexperienced but talented players some added game time against the "best of breed" which can only bode well for the 6Ns which by the way is SIX MONTHS AWAY....... I am confident we will have a better 6Ns that the last five

And the prize for pr*ck of the day goes to... Flyhalffactory. Congratulations. You deserve it.

Tell me why Griff?

Where has anyone in this thread mentioned the birth place of the Scottish players? Nowhere. When then, out of the blue, do you feel the need to have a pop at the birth place of our players? That's worse than a HERSH level WUM.

Griff wrote:Where has anyone in this thread mentioned the birth place of the Scottish players? Nowhere. When then, out of the blue, do you feel the need to have a pop at the birth place of our players? That's worse than a HERSH level WUM.

Actually Morg did Griff. So you've made an unnecessary personal attack in response to FF's testy response to Morgs slightly tetchy original post. So none of you look particularly good.

"Morgannwg wrote:
You're right Emack. 6 Nations and AI's aside Scotland are world beaters. How much NZ heritage do you have btw? "

What do you call that then?

Griff wrote:That's worse than a HERSH level WUM.

Oh no he di' 'en't!!

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Griff wrote:Where has anyone in this thread mentioned the birth place of the Scottish players? Nowhere. When then, out of the blue, do you feel the need to have a pop at the birth place of our players? That's worse than a HERSH level WUM.

Actually Morg did Griff. So you've made an unnecessary personal attack in response to FF's testy response to Morgs rather obnoxious original post. So none of you look particularly good.

Unfortunately Morgannwg has the knack of sabotaging a decent thread with one liners (with no back up) that will wind up people . I have responded with facts........... as one of my compatriots said maybe he should stick to winding up people on the welsh threads

flyhalffactory wrote:"Morgannwg wrote:
You're right Emack. 6 Nations and AI's aside Scotland are world beaters. How much NZ heritage do you have btw? "

What do you call that then?

I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Morgannwg was referring to Emack being an All Black fan but not actually being a New Zealander. Why else would he mention new zealand and scotland? There aren't any kiwis in the Scotland team are there?

Was a bit harsh though. Hot headed maybe. Apologies.

No problems griff mate.....

little bit off thread here (sorry)
but I think Prydie of the NGDs (and the Scarlets Liam Williams) have had a great start to the season and are well placed to back up 1/2p at FB if he is injured long term

Yes, I think those two have started brilliantly. Liam Williams reminds me a bit of JPR! All action, no fear, etc. Prydie is bringing something new to the Dragons, and is a great kicker which I never knew before.

Pete C (Kiwireddevil) wrote:

Griff wrote:Where has anyone in this thread mentioned the birth place of the Scottish players? Nowhere. When then, out of the blue, do you feel the need to have a pop at the birth place of our players? That's worse than a HERSH level WUM.

Actually Morg did Griff. So you've made an unnecessary personal attack in response to FF's testy response to Morgs slightly tetchy original post. So none of you look particularly good.

The only unnecessary comment was from FHF. Griff is correct, my comment had nothing to with Scotlands players. Seeing as Emack mentioned he likes to follow Scotland because he has some Scottish heritage, I asked about his Kiwi heritage (if any?) because he supports the All Blacks. I can't see how anyone, least of all you Pete, could get confused by that comment.

And going on about where players were born is a pedantic isn't it? How can they help where they were born and how does a birthplace define who you are? Genuinely puzzled.

Morgannwg wrote:How can they help where they were born and how does a birthplace define who you are? Genuinely puzzled.

Im saving this for next time you start trolling the England/Jeff discussions. I was tempted to riposte with some remarks about people from Newport not being able to help where they were born but realised that would be immature and inflammatory

Griff wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:"Morgannwg wrote:
You're right Emack. 6 Nations and AI's aside Scotland are world beaters. How much NZ heritage do you have btw? "

What do you call that then?

I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Morgannwg was referring to Emack being an All Black fan but not actually being a New Zealander. Why else would he mention new zealand and scotland? There aren't any kiwis in the Scotland team are there?

Was a bit harsh though. Hot headed maybe. Apologies.

Don't apologise to that geeza mate, he's fully deserving of that award you gave him

Griff wrote: Why else would he mention new zealand and scotland? There aren't any kiwis in the Scotland team are there?

.

Just one from Zealand

Peter Seabiscuit Wheeler wrote:

Morgannwg wrote:How can they help where they were born and how does a birthplace define who you are? Genuinely puzzled.

Im saving this for next time you start trolling the England/Jeff discussions. I was tempted to riposte with some remarks about people from Newport not being able to help where they were born but realised that would be immature and inflammatory

When I have trolled a jeff discussion? That average league bores me, I wouldn't waste my time discussing it.

Morganwg, regretting that you didn't take my earlier request to feic off, so pls feic off

Morgannwg wrote:

Griff wrote:

flyhalffactory wrote:"Morgannwg wrote:
You're right Emack. 6 Nations and AI's aside Scotland are world beaters. How much NZ heritage do you have btw? "

What do you call that then?

I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Morgannwg was referring to Emack being an All Black fan but not actually being a New Zealander. Why else would he mention new zealand and scotland? There aren't any kiwis in the Scotland team are there?

Was a bit harsh though. Hot headed maybe. Apologies.

Don't apologise to that geeza mate, he's fully deserving of that award you gave him

As I said to you Griff no problems.......... man enough to apologise (to Morgannwg)
Unfortunately its like Peter and the Wolf........ the boy Morgannwg is well known on this site for one line wind ups (as his comments to you not to apologise) and there was more than one of us who saw that comment as a jib against the scots unfortunately his reputation now goes loudly before him

As I said apologies to the boy

Lads if you keep trolling and posting insults you're going to get a good thread locked. Please be a little more unselfish.

I agree with Mowgli. If the Scots can beat England then that will give them sufficient momentum to carry them a good way through the competition.

There's nothing to say they couldn't either. A lot of rugby to be played between now and the 6 Nations.

Morgannwg wrote:Lads if you keep trolling and posting insults you're going to get a good thread locked. Please be a little more unselfish.