Price Harrison and Degale Live fight thread

[AlexHuckerby]

First topic message reminder :

Skelton just beat up a Croatian window cleaner, apparently that means he should fight the winner of Price Harrison.... God help us...

[JabMachineMK2]

Sadly, Eubank Jnr is too much in the shadow of his domineering old man. He could be decent, although I am not sure he is good world champ material.

Degale is a quality fighter. He's still a novice but with the right training, attitude and guidance he will be a world champ, IMO.

Has been pushed too far by domestic level fighters and has literally no power.

So, World Champs at SMW

Ward
Froch
Abraham

At what point do you think that Degale has the skill to take any of these out? Froch would murder him with power, Ward would be too slick and Abraham would laugh at his punches and have him stopped within 5/6

This means he won't be a World Champion, he's gone life and death with 3 opponents that aren't world level and he has literally no power.

[Happytravelling]

How can you say "the quality work" in reference to Degale? He had spells of 10/15 seconds in a full 3 minutes where he was throwing punches that looked good and still wasn't at all shaking Frenchie. They were slaps. The baldie marching forward? A man not hurt in the slightest. He was stalking Degale, he intended to pin him on the ropes, he cut off the ring for the first 7/8 rounds and wasn't letting Degale breathe. The footwork was sloppy from Degale, he was rusty, he was letting himself be bullied on the inside and wasn't stepping off with enough frequency. He had nothing behind his punches.

Mohammedi was hitting a lot of leather and arm, but for every 2/3 that were hitting nothing, he was landing the odd one or two. Did you see Degales head snap back from a couple of uppercuts? He was getting manhandled.

It was the classic case of workrate/volume/aggression vs quality based on lower work rate. No argument by anyone who's got it narrowly one way or the other since it was a contest of interpretation. I just struggle to see how a guy with a face like a car crash can be declared the winner by 117-111 and 119-109!!

We now going on post fight facial features as to who wins?

Surprised Hatton didn't lose every fight as even his cutman was bruising and cutting him such was his susceptibility to getting marked/cut etc

Exactly Coxy, if this is the strength of debate, how bad they looked after the fight... well, that means there's a lot of fighters who lost before they even got in the ring they were so torn and ugly... but I think this is the level of the anti Degale camp.

[The genius of PBF]

Style makes fights I personally think Haye is all wrong for Price.

[Lance]

abraham would knock degale out. id be very confident to put my money on that one

[Guest]

Never quite got this argument that X's face was more bashed up than Y's therefor Y won.

[azania]

I actually think DeGalewill beat AA now. The blueprint to beat AA has been shown.

[JabMachineMK2]

abraham would knock degale out. id be very confident to put my money on that one

Although Degale has a chin, so I think a stoppage is more likely.

[Cast a Shadow]

How can you say "the quality work" in reference to Degale? He had spells of 10/15 seconds in a full 3 minutes where he was throwing punches that looked good and still wasn't at all shaking Frenchie. They were slaps. The baldie marching forward? A man not hurt in the slightest. He was stalking Degale, he intended to pin him on the ropes, he cut off the ring for the first 7/8 rounds and wasn't letting Degale breathe. The footwork was sloppy from Degale, he was rusty, he was letting himself be bullied on the inside and wasn't stepping off with enough frequency. He had nothing behind his punches.

Mohammedi was hitting a lot of leather and arm, but for every 2/3 that were hitting nothing, he was landing the odd one or two. Did you see Degales head snap back from a couple of uppercuts? He was getting manhandled.

It was the classic case of workrate/volume/aggression vs quality based on lower work rate. No argument by anyone who's got it narrowly one way or the other since it was a contest of interpretation. I just struggle to see how a guy with a face like a car crash can be declared the winner by 117-111 and 119-109!!

We now going on post fight facial features as to who wins?

Surprised Hatton didn't lose every fight as even his cutman was bruising and cutting him such was his susceptibility to getting marked/cut etc

It certainly indicates who was landing the harder punches. I'm not suggesting that he lost, merely that the state he was in post-fight was that of a man who'd been in a gruelling contest and taken his fair share of punishment.

Hatton was known for cutting easily - you're comparing apples with oranges and it's a false analogy...

No it does not. It just indicates that he marks up easier. Groves looked more marked up that DeGale in their fight.

DeGale doesn't mark up easily - that's the point. Groves is more prone to marking up than him and the reason James looked like he'd been hit by a bus was because he'd eaten a lot of leather over 12 rounds.

I had it a draw, anyone who has him nicking it, that's fair enough. But it was no wider than that...

[WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs]

Eubank looks strong but he catches his opponents with flush loaded right hands yet doesn't shake them

Needs to work on his power but his father didn't get a KO untill his 6th or so fight so it might not be too much of a worry at this stage of his career

[azania]

He's been marked up in all his recent fights. He had a cut and a bruise under his left eye/ Hardly serious stuff/

I scored it 116-114.

[Happytravelling]

Sadly, Eubank Jnr is too much in the shadow of his domineering old man. He could be decent, although I am not sure he is good world champ material.

Degale is a quality fighter. He's still a novice but with the right training, attitude and guidance he will be a world champ, IMO.

Has been pushed too far by domestic level fighters and has literally no power.

So, World Champs at SMW

Ward
Froch
Abraham

At what point do you think that Degale has the skill to take any of these out? Froch would murder him with power, Ward would be too slick and Abraham would laugh at his punches and have him stopped within 5/6

This means he won't be a World Champion, he's gone life and death with 3 opponents that aren't world level and he has literally no power.

Again. WUM! He's a 15 fight novice. What are you doing comparing him to 40 fight pros who at his stage in their career hadn't achieved anything like he had. Stop being a hater and take deep breaths.

[ShahenshahG]

Looks like he is punching to not through - that'll fix itself as his experience
grows

[Cast a Shadow]

Eubank looks strong but he catches his opponents with flush loaded right hands yet doesn't shake them

Needs to work on his power but his father didn't get a KO untill his 6th or so fight so it might not be too much of a worry at this stage of his career

If his dad cares about his son's development, he'll get out of the limelight and give him some room to establish his own identity. Really think reminders of his old man are doing him no favours here...

[azania]

Eubank looks strong but he catches his opponents with flush loaded right hands yet doesn't shake them

Needs to work on his power but his father didn't get a KO untill his 6th or so fight so it might not be too much of a worry at this stage of his career

If his dad cares about his son's development, he'll get out of the limelight and give him some room to establish his own identity. Really think reminders of his old man are doing him no favours here...

[coxy0001]

To be fair to Joe Slapper Calzaghe he really used to be able to dig before hand problems etc.

JDG on the other hand looks to have zero behind his punches.

Must be tired from all of those sessions in Hamstead Heath with his 'friends'

[WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs]

Wasn't trying to draw comparisons, although hard as Jr looks to be trying as hard as possible to be his dad, I was merely saying that he could develop power like his Dad did which could happen

Tbh I don't think it's too much Eubanks Sr fault but channel 5 as they interview him after every second round whereas he sits in the crowd like most family members would

[seanmichaels]

How can you say "the quality work" in reference to Degale? He had spells of 10/15 seconds in a full 3 minutes where he was throwing punches that looked good and still wasn't at all shaking Frenchie. They were slaps. The baldie marching forward? A man not hurt in the slightest. He was stalking Degale, he intended to pin him on the ropes, he cut off the ring for the first 7/8 rounds and wasn't letting Degale breathe. The footwork was sloppy from Degale, he was rusty, he was letting himself be bullied on the inside and wasn't stepping off with enough frequency. He had nothing behind his punches.

Mohammedi was hitting a lot of leather and arm, but for every 2/3 that were hitting nothing, he was landing the odd one or two. Did you see Degales head snap back from a couple of uppercuts? He was getting manhandled.

It was the classic case of workrate/volume/aggression vs quality based on lower work rate. No argument by anyone who's got it narrowly one way or the other since it was a contest of interpretation. I just struggle to see how a guy with a face like a car crash can be declared the winner by 117-111 and 119-109!!

We now going on post fight facial features as to who wins?

Surprised Hatton didn't lose every fight as even his cutman was bruising and cutting him such was his susceptibility to getting marked/cut etc

Bearing in mind most said it was a round either way, I think the fact that one guy was cut and looked like a swollen turd is heavy evidence no?

[ShahenshahG]

I dont think so - Eubank Jr seems like he needs a guiding hand and any pressure he feels will prepare him for future bouts. Eubank gvies a silly lispy line or two and no one criticises jr outside of people like us. Might be worth the flak being directed at Eubank sr so jr can concentrate on the boxing not on being mr tv. Its not as if comparisons are going to stop - his entry into boxing assured that

[Happytravelling]

Eubank looks strong but he catches his opponents with flush loaded right hands yet doesn't shake them

Needs to work on his power but his father didn't get a KO untill his 6th or so fight so it might not be too much of a worry at this stage of his career

If his dad cares about his son's development, he'll get out of the limelight and give him some room to establish his own identity. Really think reminders of his old man are doing him no favours here...

I totally agree. Its very strange what his old man is doing. Pushing him hard etc. He hasn't the talent or fortitude his old man had. IMO he's a euro level fighter. For his sake, I hope I am proved wrong. But this push is a bit much

[AlexHuckerby]

Both in and around the same weight, both pointlessly flashy, and both can't pop a balloon with there punches, would be an interesting fight in the future.

[JabMachineMK2]

Again. WUM! He's a 15 fight novice. What are you doing comparing him to 40 fight pros who at his stage in their career hadn't achieved anything like he had. Stop being a hater and take deep breaths.

Andre Ward has had 11 fights more than Degale. He's 28. 11 fights is about 3 years in a normal regular fighters career. Do you see Degale in 3 years time taking down Ward? Degale has been inactive, so he should be at the point of say 18/19 fights in terms of his skills through training and his comfort at the weight. By fight 15 Ward had been knocking out guys for fun and had the WBO NABO title or something. Froch has had 31, and is 35, by 15 fights he was still unbeaten and had Brittish and Commonwealth titles. 2 things Degale doesn't have. he's barely holding onto the Euro belt with absolutely no mention of him stepping to World level.

I suggest you sit back, reassess your idiotic use of the term "hater" (you're showing a very childish mindset here) and you take the deep breaths.

Degale is making life incredibly hard at Euro level, the others at the same point were walking it.

[JabMachineMK2]

Oh and AA from a quick Wiki check had the WBA Inter-continental title at 15 fights and was undefeated - seeing a pattern here?

[azania]

DeGale is not a concussive puncher, but he commands respect. Steve Smith will testify to that.

[Cast a Shadow]

Eubank looks strong but he catches his opponents with flush loaded right hands yet doesn't shake them

Needs to work on his power but his father didn't get a KO untill his 6th or so fight so it might not be too much of a worry at this stage of his career

If his dad cares about his son's development, he'll get out of the limelight and give him some room to establish his own identity. Really think reminders of his old man are doing him no favours here...

I totally agree. Its very strange what his old man is doing. Pushing him hard etc. He hasn't the talent or fortitude his old man had. IMO he's a euro level fighter. For his sake, I hope I am proved wrong. But this push is a bit much

It's hard to tell exactly where he's at as a fighter, precisely because he looks to be more intent on emulating his old man than establishing an authentic approach/fighting style that uses his strengths.

Eubank snr could very easily step away from the whole thing and say "no interviews with me, just him - he's the fighter". That's what I think he should do.

[Happytravelling]

How can you say "the quality work" in reference to Degale? He had spells of 10/15 seconds in a full 3 minutes where he was throwing punches that looked good and still wasn't at all shaking Frenchie. They were slaps. The baldie marching forward? A man not hurt in the slightest. He was stalking Degale, he intended to pin him on the ropes, he cut off the ring for the first 7/8 rounds and wasn't letting Degale breathe. The footwork was sloppy from Degale, he was rusty, he was letting himself be bullied on the inside and wasn't stepping off with enough frequency. He had nothing behind his punches.

Mohammedi was hitting a lot of leather and arm, but for every 2/3 that were hitting nothing, he was landing the odd one or two. Did you see Degales head snap back from a couple of uppercuts? He was getting manhandled.

It was the classic case of workrate/volume/aggression vs quality based on lower work rate. No argument by anyone who's got it narrowly one way or the other since it was a contest of interpretation. I just struggle to see how a guy with a face like a car crash can be declared the winner by 117-111 and 119-109!!

We now going on post fight facial features as to who wins?

Surprised Hatton didn't lose every fight as even his cutman was bruising and cutting him such was his susceptibility to getting marked/cut etc

Bearing in mind most said it was a round either way, I think the fact that one guy was cut and looked like a swollen turd is heavy evidence no?

I think your simplistic interprettation of facial markings and their meanings is the problem. How badly you mark up is just evidence of your skin sensitivity (Henry Cooper) or, often, the use of the head.

There is no doubt Degale hasn't the hardest skin but also the French boy was warned about his head a number of times.

[Guest]

Again. WUM! He's a 15 fight novice. What are you doing comparing him to 40 fight pros who at his stage in their career hadn't achieved anything like he had. Stop being a hater and take deep breaths.

Andre Ward has had 11 fights more than Degale. He's 28. 11 fights is about 3 years in a normal regular fighters career. Degale has been inactive, so he should be at the point of say 18/19 fights. By fight 15 Ward had been knocking out guys for fun and had the WBO NABO title or something. Froch has had 31, and is 35, by 15 fights he was still unbeaten and had Brittish and Commonwealth titles. 2 things Degale doesn't have. he's barely holding onto the Euro belt with absolutely no mention of him stepping to World level.

I suggest you sit back, reassess your idiotic use of the term "hater" (you're showing a very childish mindset here) and you take the deep breaths.

Degale is making life incredibly hard at Euro level, the others at the same point were walking it.

By the conclusion of fight 15 Ward had KO'd 8 opponents Jab.

[JabMachineMK2]

Ward fights 10 - 15

Win 15-0 Rubin Williams TKO 7 (10), 2:51
Win 14-0 Roger Cantrell TKO 5 (10), 1:56
Win 13-0 Francisco Diaz TKO 3 (8), 2:59l
Win 12-0 Dhafir Smith TKO 6 (8), 2:47
Win 11-0 Julio Jean TKO 3 (8), 2:04

At a canter.

Compare that with Degales last 5 fights.

[azania]

Ward is probably the best fighter in the world right now. But he is not a huge puncher. Plus DeGale has probably been matched tougher than he had been.

[AlexHuckerby]

DeGale is not a concussive puncher, but he commands respect. Steve Smith will testify to that.

Paul Smith...?

[azania]

Sorry, Paul Smith.

[AlexHuckerby]

Isn't Steve Smith from American Dad?

[Happytravelling]

Again. WUM! He's a 15 fight novice. What are you doing comparing him to 40 fight pros who at his stage in their career hadn't achieved anything like he had. Stop being a hater and take deep breaths.

Andre Ward has had 11 fights more than Degale. He's 28. 11 fights is about 3 years in a normal regular fighters career. Do you see Degale in 3 years time taking down Ward? Degale has been inactive, so he should be at the point of say 18/19 fights in terms of his skills through training and his comfort at the weight. By fight 15 Ward had been knocking out guys for fun and had the WBO NABO title or something. Froch has had 31, and is 35, by 15 fights he was still unbeaten and had Brittish and Commonwealth titles. 2 things Degale doesn't have. he's barely holding onto the Euro belt with absolutely no mention of him stepping to World level.

I suggest you sit back, reassess your idiotic use of the term "hater" (you're showing a very childish mindset here) and you take the deep breaths.

Degale is making life incredibly hard at Euro level, the others at the same point were walking it.

Pillock! And Paul Wier held a world title on his 4th fight... apart from making your dislike of Degale obvious, what point are you trying to make? Fighters have their own tragectory. Degale has been out of the ring for 18 months or so for contractural reasons. He's entitled to be a bit rusty.

My term hater is perhaps accurate for you. Your argument is a string of random stats about other fighters. Froch was a lot older when he took to professional boxing and was heavily criticised. Similar to Degale.

I remember people like yourself saying Froch, Khan, Haye etc. would be nobody's after 15 fights. Life is full of idiots who have a chip and are determined to prove it with dubious stats.

Degale is a novice with a lot of talent. At the moment his punch power isn't great. But time will tell how he develops.

[Guest]

Ward fights 10 - 15

Win 15-0 Rubin Williams TKO 7 (10), 2:51
Win 14-0 Roger Cantrell TKO 5 (10), 1:56
Win 13-0 Francisco Diaz TKO 3 (8), 2:59l
Win 12-0 Dhafir Smith TKO 6 (8), 2:47
Win 11-0 Julio Jean TKO 3 (8), 2:04

At a canter.

Compare that with Degales last 5 fights.

Are people even comparing DeGale to Ward?

[JabMachineMK2]

Ward is probably the best fighter in the world right now. But he is not a huge puncher. Plus DeGale has probably been matched tougher than he had been.

Only because Degale has made it look tougher.

Groves dealt with Paul "Steve" Smith much quicker and more effectively. Better boxer.

I would then go on to say that since, Ward has proven that he always belonged at World Level, you never once thought on the way up "Oh he won't make it big" because he was outclassing good fighters. Degale is going life and death with them.

Undoubtably a fantastic amateur because of his skills and speed, but thats it. He tries to slap like Calzaghe and thats where the similarity ends. Calzaghe had some power behind them, Degale doesn't. Ask Paul Smith and he'll tell you Groves hits harder.

[Cast a Shadow]

Again. WUM! He's a 15 fight novice. What are you doing comparing him to 40 fight pros who at his stage in their career hadn't achieved anything like he had. Stop being a hater and take deep breaths.

Andre Ward has had 11 fights more than Degale. He's 28. 11 fights is about 3 years in a normal regular fighters career. Degale has been inactive, so he should be at the point of say 18/19 fights. By fight 15 Ward had been knocking out guys for fun and had the WBO NABO title or something. Froch has had 31, and is 35, by 15 fights he was still unbeaten and had Brittish and Commonwealth titles. 2 things Degale doesn't have. he's barely holding onto the Euro belt with absolutely no mention of him stepping to World level.

I suggest you sit back, reassess your idiotic use of the term "hater" (you're showing a very childish mindset here) and you take the deep breaths.

Degale is making life incredibly hard at Euro level, the others at the same point were walking it.

Agreed. He's the one talking about fighting Froch in a year's time, so it's fair to measure him against that benchmark. DeGale is stratospheres from being able to step in a ring with someone like Carl and even compete, let alone have a real chance of winning.

His win for the title was very, very lucky given he entered that fight as the challenger, and this was no more clear-cut. I think this might be as good as it gets for him.

[Happytravelling]

Ward fights 10 - 15

Win 15-0 Rubin Williams TKO 7 (10), 2:51
Win 14-0 Roger Cantrell TKO 5 (10), 1:56
Win 13-0 Francisco Diaz TKO 3 (8), 2:59l
Win 12-0 Dhafir Smith TKO 6 (8), 2:47
Win 11-0 Julio Jean TKO 3 (8), 2:04

At a canter.

Compare that with Degales last 5 fights.

You're a knob. Sorry, you're a Degale hater on a mission. Comparing Degale to Ward. Can we drag out Hopkins first couple of fights. He lost his first. Or Manny's record.

As I said earlier, grow up.

[azania]

Isn't Steve Smith from American Dad?

Don't knock it!

[JabMachineMK2]

I'm going to stop responding to you Happy, not because you're right, on the contrary - you're wrong. Very wrong. To even say Degale is a "novice" at 15 fights is utterly ridiculous. He's had 15 fights. He's gone life and death in 3 of them. In the next 5 fights he should be challenging for a world title. Around 20 - 25 is where I'd say this "trajectory" should be putting him. He's STRUGGLING at Euro level. Do you not see this? I'm not saying he should be World Level right now, but he damn sure shouldn't be making fights against tonights opposition as close as it SHOULD have been scored.

You started with the random stats (considering none of the boxers I mentioned are "40 fight pros" - AA has had 38 fights, but Ward at 26 and Froch at 31 are some way off 40.) And the fact is

Same level - Ward was coasting.

Same level - Froch was coasting

Same Level - Abraham was coasting.

Same Level - Groves IS coasting

Same level - Degale is STRUGGLING.

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend? How can you resort to childish name calling like "knob" and "hater" just because you're losing an argument and then proceed to tell someone to "grow up"

You're making this personal you sad act, leave it be before you start looking silly. Theres bigger bullies than you on this forum that I've put up with. Much bigger.

[Happytravelling]

Again. WUM! He's a 15 fight novice. What are you doing comparing him to 40 fight pros who at his stage in their career hadn't achieved anything like he had. Stop being a hater and take deep breaths.

Andre Ward has had 11 fights more than Degale. He's 28. 11 fights is about 3 years in a normal regular fighters career. Degale has been inactive, so he should be at the point of say 18/19 fights. By fight 15 Ward had been knocking out guys for fun and had the WBO NABO title or something. Froch has had 31, and is 35, by 15 fights he was still unbeaten and had Brittish and Commonwealth titles. 2 things Degale doesn't have. he's barely holding onto the Euro belt with absolutely no mention of him stepping to World level.

I suggest you sit back, reassess your idiotic use of the term "hater" (you're showing a very childish mindset here) and you take the deep breaths.

Degale is making life incredibly hard at Euro level, the others at the same point were walking it.

Agreed. He's the one talking about fighting Froch in a year's time, so it's fair to measure him against that benchmark. DeGale is stratospheres from being able to step in a ring with someone like Carl and even compete, let alone have a real chance of winning.

His win for the title was very, very lucky given he entered that fight as the challenger, and this was no more clear-cut. I think this might be as good as it gets for him.

Again boys, grow up. Boxing is about ambition and promotion. If you didn't have ambition you shouldn't be in the business. ANY BOXER THAT SAYS THEY ARE JUST HAPPY TO BE A DOMESTIC CHAMPION SHOULDN'T BE IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!! So, claiming you want to be top of the world tomorrow should never be criticised. Saying you are happy with being average should.

Promoting yourself is also very much part of the game. So, name a boxer in history who hasn't called out names.

As I said, grow up Degale haters.

[Seanusarrilius]

The way Boxnation were praising Audley for going out on his shield??? Laughable coverage as usual

[JabMachineMK2]

Again boys, grow up. Boxing is about ambition and promotion. If you didn't have ambition you shouldn't be in the business. ANY BOXER THAT SAYS THEY ARE JUST HAPPY TO BE A DOMESTIC CHAMPION SHOULDN'T BE IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!! So, claiming you want to be top of the world tomorrow should never be criticised. Saying you are happy with being average should.

Promoting yourself is also very much part of the game. So, name a boxer in history who hasn't called out names.

As I said, grow up Degale haters.

Irony. Use big boy words. You're looking silly.

In italics - Audley Harrison. I'll say no more.

[AlexHuckerby]

I think that Degale will actually fair better against real boxers that box from range and are smarter technical boxers, one of the reasons he looked so impressive against who fought him like that. Ithink that also means he would struggle an awful lot with the current top SMW's though.

[AlexHuckerby]

The way Boxnation were praising Audley for going out on his shield??? Laughable coverage as usual

Oh, goodness wasn't it Sean. Fair enough that he looked as though he wanted to give it a go, but he got pancaked in 82 seconds!!

[azania]

Cut the name calling lads. Interesting debate and that I agree with Happy says something. The difference is quality of opposition. Froch didn't have a major fight in his 10th fight. Ward didn't win a national title or fight a highly rated prospect in his 11th fight. DeGale is matched tougher at the same stage of their respective careers.

Froch fought the perennial Irish fool who DeGale would KO if they fought tomorrow early and won in the 12th with that uppercut.

God knows who AA was fighting but I reckon some Polish builder moonlighting.

[Guest]

The way Boxnation were praising Audley for going out on his shield??? Laughable coverage as usual

I caught the highlights, albeit in slow motion, on YouTube earlier and was rather dismayed by the commentary when he was leaving the arena. Glad I'm not alone in this thought. Did he even have a shield?

[eddyfightfan]

furys little outburst was very amusing, maybe a little hope for that fight

[JabMachineMK2]

Cut the name calling lads. Interesting debate and that I agree with Happy says something. The difference is quality of opposition. Froch didn't have a major fight in his 10th fight. Ward didn't win a national title or fight a highly rated prospect in his 11th fight. DeGale is matched tougher at the same stage of their respective careers.

Froch fought the perennial Irish fool who DeGale would KO if they fought tomorrow early and won in the 12th with that uppercut.

God knows who AA was fighting but I reckon some Polish builder moonlighting.

Fast track. Amateur gold medallist, golden boy of domestic British boxing etc.

[AlexHuckerby]

The way Boxnation were praising Audley for going out on his shield??? Laughable coverage as usual

I caught the highlights, albeit in slow motion, on YouTube earlier and was rather dismayed by the commentary when he was leaving the arena. Glad I'm not alone in this thought. Did he even have a shield?

Went out on his... Drawing Board???

[Happytravelling]

I'm going to stop responding to you Happy, not because you're right, on the contrary - you're wrong. Very wrong. To even say Degale is a "novice" at 15 fights is utterly ridiculous. He's had 15 fights. He's gone life and death in 3 of them. In the next 5 fights he should be challenging for a world title. Around 20 - 25 is where I'd say this "trajectory" should be putting him. He's STRUGGLING at Euro level. Do you not see this? I'm not saying he should be World Level right now, but he damn sure shouldn't be making fights against tonights opposition as close as it SHOULD have been scored.

You started with the random stats (considering none of the boxers I mentioned are "40 fight pros" - AA has had 38 fights, but Ward at 26 and Froch at 31 are some way off 40.) And the fact is

Same level - Ward was coasting.

Same level - Froch was coasting

Same Level - Abraham was coasting.

Same Level - Groves IS coasting

Same level - Degale is STRUGGLING.

Is this too difficult for you to comprehend? How can you resort to childish name calling like "knob" and "hater" just because you're losing an argument and then proceed to tell someone to "grow up"

You're making this personal you sad act, leave it be before you start looking silly. Theres bigger bullies than you on this forum that I've put up with. Much bigger.

Sorry mate, you're still a knob. Paul Weir was a world champ in his 4th fight. Should we gauge everybody by that? Leon Spinks was in his 7th fight when he beat Ali. What are you trying to prove with your dubious stats?

Your average British fighter is fighting for domestic titles in their late teens to early 20 fights. And from there it ramps up quickly to euro and worlds. Similar in other countries. Alvarez had about 30 fights before a world title... maybe wrong there.

But my point is, your Degale hate makes you over analyse stats and talk Poopie.

[azania]

DeGale needs more mental discipline and stamina. He admitted he needs to up his stamina which is laudable. I fancy him to beat Groves in a rematch. He has blurring handspeed but needs the discipline to put all his skills together,

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