Your current British P4P 10?

Though top spot may be nailed on for many who would be in your current British P4P top 10 as we head into the new year?

To jog the noggin i've listed a number of fighters (in no particular order) to get you going.

Carl Froch
Amir Khan
David Haye
Tyson Fury
David Price
Ricky Burns
Carl Frampton
George Groves
Scott Quigg
Martin Murray
Tony Bellew
Nathan Cleverly
Mathhew Macklin
Kell Brook
Brian Magee
Gavin Rees
James DeGale
Frakie Gavin

Wow It's a hard one......(But enough about what my Wife said last night!!)

1. Froch by a mile....
2. Burns
3. Khan
4. Cleverly
5. Brook
6. Haye
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Last one for the year, then:

1) Froch 2) Burns 3) Khan 4) Haye 5) Cleverly 6) Brook 7) Frampton 8) Macklin 9) Groves 10) Quigg

Rees, DeGale, Bellew (in no particular order) next cabs off the rank. Saunders to be high in the lists by this time next year (I was probably slightly over-generous to him when I last tried this particular exercise, but he'll be up there soon).

Has to be the Frochmeister! Followed by Khan, after that it's anyone's guess. The rest all have criteria that puts them on the list but ordering them is tricky. Number 3 for me is a toss up between Haye, the Clev or Burns

FROCH
BURNS
KHAN
HAYE
CLEVERLY
DE GALE
BROOK
FRAMPTON
QUIGG
GROVES

Price just after that followed by Bellew, Murray and Macklin.

#1 Froch
#2 Burns
#3 Brook
#4 Khan
#5 Clev
#6 Groves
#7 Quigg

Rest aren't worth mentioning.

Why is Groves so high?? He has fought once this year so far, is fighting an oak tree on Saturday and has only stayed at domestic level.

De Gale in comparison is EBU champion fighting what appear every 2-3 months against decent level operators.

Weird really.

Same could be said for Brook who you have rated higher then Khan.

Odd really would love an explanation to see how or why your rated your top ten?

Bit strange to see Cleverly make everyones list and Bellew not on a single one given the very very close nature of their fight and the fact that since then Cleverly has fought god awful opponents and Bellew has been in with slightly better opposition.

Froch is a nailed on number 1 then Khan, Burns and Haye if you count him as active would be 2, 3 and 4. Tough to split them as Khan has had mixed results at world level and Haye came up some way short at the very top whereas Burns is yet to really be in with a world class operator, I imagine if he were to fight Broner he would do worse than Haye did against Wlad but its hard to split them before such an event.

After that is anyone's guess.

I suspect if you took away Cleverly's joke belt he would fall down most peoples lists, just look at his opponents they're really not any better than Tyson Fury's are they? A razor thin decision against Bellew and after that maybe Murat or Mohammedi are his best wins. I can't see them as being any better than wins over a fat Chisora and a never was in Kevin Johnson.

Brook, Groves, Degale, Bellew, Frampton, Quigg and Price are yet to be tested on the world stage but do you rank them ahead or below the people who have been there but come up a bit short like Murray, Macklin and Barker (who would be easy to rate if they fought each other).

1 Froch
2 Burns
3 Khan
4 Cleverly
5 Brook
6 Frampton
7 DeGale
8 Bellew
9 Frampton
10 Quigg

Rowley wrote:
6 Frampton
9 Frampton

He's good Jeff. But he ain't that good.

Cleverly may make it on potential, but not on performance todate. I would not have him in the top 5 on the basis of performance, but could argue him in on basis of potential, although it will be a long time before we see him trying to fulfill it.

You're right Tina, chuck Groves in at nine then

Number 3 for me is a toss up between Haye, the Clev or Burns

Think that's being very generous to Cleverly and Haye and very hard on Burns. Can just about understand why people would have Khan at number 2 ahead of Burns, but if Burns isn't in the top 2, he's clearly at number 3.

Froch
Burns
Khan
Haye
Cleverly
Brook
Frampton
Groves
Quigg
Bellew

1) Froch 2) Burns 3) Haye 4) Brook 5) Khan 6) Cleverly 7) Mackllin 8) Frampton 9) Quigg 10) DeGale

It's hard to judge as level of opposition has been a problem for all of them excluding Froch and Khan. Burns didn't impress me with his defences until Katsidis and while Mitchell was good he wasn't world level. Clev drew to Bellew imo and since has fought nobody. Bellew has actually done pretty well opposition wise and has stayed active. Brook has talent but struggled with Jones who is his best opponent by far. Haye was a world champion but got dominated vs Wlad and a win over Chisora doesn't make him amazing overnight. Groves has struggled with injuries and has stalled since Degale imo although Johnson will be a good scalp

1.) Froch
2.) Khan
3.) Burns
4.) Haye
5.) Brook
6.) Clev
7.) Macklin
8.) Bellew
9.) Quigg
10.)Degale

If Brook wins his world title fight he will probably be able to overtake Haye and maybe burns and Khan too as Alexander is better ham anyone Burns has fought and Khan has those losses

I would like to rank Macklin higher as he deserved to have a world title and his effort vs Martinez was brilliant

Brook, Frampton, Quigg, Bellew etc all operating at a higher level than Fury?

Yea

88Chris05 wrote:1) Froch 2) Burns 3) Haye 4) Brook 5) Cleverly 6) Khan 7) Mackllin 8) Frampton 9) Quigg 10) DeGale

How have you got Cleverly ahead of Khan?

Oops, a mistake on my part, bellchees. Meant to have them the other way round. Will amend now.

Much better, don't let it happen again.

Surely won't, Sir!

is cleverly boxing at a higher level than Fury?

Well, Cleverly has at least shown that he is the top man in his own weight division in the UK by outscoring Bellew, whereas Fury hasn't, even if he's faced some reasonable names in the past eighteen months. I'd say that Cleverly's the better all-round fighter, too. There are a few different elements which go in to compling a list like this and it's a subjective thing, so I wouldn't bemoan anyone having Fury close to Cleverly, but as for him being higher - just can't see it myself.

1. Froch
2. Burns
3. Khan
4. Haye
5. Cleverly
6. Brook
7. Bellew
8. Quigg
9. Degale
10. Macklin

It changes every day and I'm trying my best to make space for Frampton here but I just can't.

The majority on here have Khan at #2 or #3, which while he is a talented boxer I see as a little generous considering the nature of his defeat to Garcia and losing to Peterson prior to that.

1. Froch - By a huge margin
2. Burns
3. Haye
4. Brook
5. Khan - Can jump back up if he gets back into the world title picture and is on a good winning streak.
6. Cleverly
7. Bellew
8. Frampton
9. Quigg
10. Groves - will jump a couple of places if he takes out Johnson in style

Just missing out, Macklin, Martin Murray, DeGale - Based on activity, the lump he fought on Saturday night was terrible and he still struggled in the latter rounds. Fury, Price,

88Chris05 wrote:Well, Cleverly has at least shown that he is the top man in his own weight division in the UK by outscoring Bellew, whereas Fury hasn't, even if he's faced some reasonable names in the past eighteen months. I'd say that Cleverly's the better all-round fighter, too. There are a few different elements which go in to compling a list like this and it's a subjective thing, so I wouldn't bemoan anyone having Fury close to Cleverly, but as for him being higher - just can't see it myself.

Most lists are done on potential it seems. There's no way Frampton has fought in the same class as the likes of Barker, Fury, Chisora etc. Furthermore, going by your rules Frampton hasn't established himself as the best in the UK in his division as he hasn’t fought Quigg?

Think that is more down to Quigg and his trainer trying to avoid him like the plague.

Frampton takes him out before 8 if they fight for me.

I'm sorry Sean but when have Rogan (lower than domestic level), Maddalone (journeyman) and Johnson been anything to shout about. Yes the others have been poor but Fury's has been as poor plus he dropped his titles which goes against him.

Barker has been injured for so long so can't just go back in the mix an so finds himself in the fringes looking in.

Chisora, lost every meaningful fight he's been in with although unlucky agaisnt helenius so it doesn't come down to opposition only but how they do agaisnt that level of opposition.

If we're going to heap praise on Fury for beating Johnson surely Frampton has to get more for beating Molitar. Molitar was a world champion a year after Johnson lost every round to Vitali.

Tyson Fury ahead of Ricky Burns??!!

TopHat24/7 wrote:Tyson Fury ahead of Ricky Burns??!!

EDIT: Just read your second line, sorry!

1) Froch (unquestionable, leagues ahead)
2) Burns (has put on a good run of fights recently, classy operator)
3) Khan (swaps w/ Ricky due to two losses on the bounce)
4) Haye (like him or loathe him he's still achieved more than anyone I've below him)
5) Clev (world strap ONLY splits him from...)
6) Brook (will leapfrog Clev with a win over Alexander)
7) Macklin
8) Groves
9) Frampton
10) Quigg

11) DeGale
12) Bellew
13) Price
14) Murray
15) Fury

For what it's worth, I don't really think that Quigg and Gallagher are desperate to avoid Frampton, either. They were never going to meet until both of them were at British / Commonwealth title level, and since then it's not as if Quigg's been taking soft options for someone of his age and at such a stage in his career; the Booth performance was excellent and he and Munroe should be applauded for getting that fight on when both had so much to lose, too.

Frampton saw him and then raised him Molitor, of course, but I think the career direction and development of both has been excellent so far. I'm actually very optimistic that we'll get Quigg-Frampton before too long.

Quigg wins, by the way.

Think Quigg is a little one paced if I'm honest. Physically he is very big and has some decent body shots but everytime someone mentions Carl he looks scared. There was big clamour for the fight and although Quigg has fought good fighters he still refused a lot of cash to fight him.

Aye, Quigg does look like a giant at 122 lb. I remember thinking that he looked a little edgy when he was in the Sky studio earlier in the year when Frampton called him out from ringside, but in fairness it emerged about two days later that he'd signed for a fight with Munroe which did, until the Molitor fight, put Frampton in the shade.

I think Frampton might have the same problem as McGuigan, insofar as he might struggle against people he can't get to as easily. If Quigg can use his size and jab then he'd be hard to beat for a lot of Super-Bantams at European level, I think. I'd have definitely backed Quigg a hundred percent twelve months back. Less so now, admittedly, as Frampton has stepped it up, but I still think the man from Bury edges it.

Probably the domestic dust up I'd most like to see for next year, more so than Price against Fury in any case.

Can I ask a question at this point, is Haye now licenced in the UK. I know when we did this last time round many people, myself included excluded him on the grounds he was not a current British licence holder but nobody apart from me appears to have done so this time round, either I have missed something or am just a lot more small minded and unforgiving than many on here.

Rowley wrote:I know when we did this last time round many people, myself included excluded him on the grounds he was not a current British licence holder

That was just you, you grumpy old git.

Interesting that Afolabi has fallen off the radar.

I think I'd go with small-minded and unforgiving Jeff....

It was not just me, am sure the captain did it as well, two is a virtual majority depending how you look at it.

I didn't have him in my top ten, but that was because he was 12th.

Well the Captain now has him in so I'm guessing he has a softer side you lack.....

Union is prone to a quick change of heart when put under pressure.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Well the Captain now has him in so I'm guessing he has a softer side you lack.....

Splitter, thats the problem with the modern generation, they lack the commitment to see these things through.

Union Cane wrote:Interesting that Afolabi has fallen off the radar

I first heard of him when he knocked out that British fighter with the Italian name

Since then I know of his two fights with Huck and he is nowhere to be seen at the moment

Soft side? Moi? Well possibly, although it doesn't usually come to the fore with Haye. I'm just putting down the top ten fighters as I see them who could possibly be described as UK boxers (Macklin has been a British champion and even fought for an English title, while Frampton is, at least technically, a UK boxer in any case).

Groves is ahead of DeGale in my list, although by less than a year ago, partly because he holds a victory over James, partly because I think he has greater long-term potential as a result of having a far better boxing brain, and partly because their opposition isn't so different, really. Degale, after all, was going to fight Anderson until a late switch last time out, whom Groves had seen off when he was a fair bit greener than he is today. DeGale has been more active lately, which is in his favour, but unless Glenn Johnson has deteriorated markedly, he represents a better opponent than anyone on DeGale's CV.

Even the captain has deserted me, I feel like them Japanese guys on that island who did not realise the war was over.

I can imagine you turn Japanese a lot....They got hammered of the Americans too...

Groves is being killed by being stuck on boxnation!!!! SKY is the place to be or channel 5......

Me thinks Degale albeit will end up the winner until Groves leaves the sinking ship....

I have them both together...hard to split..

im strugggling to put clev much above the likes of quigg and frampton, framptons win over molitar is better than anything clev has done recently, and quigg took out one of main rivals in convincing fashion something clev also falied to do. i think ability of both is better but they are a much more competitive division at world level. whats the point of a p4p list if were rewarding fighters for "winning" belts in higher poorer divisions

1. Froch, pretty much nailed on really...
2. Burns, his consistency and decent opponents putting him at 2
3. Amir Khan, maybe he has had 2 losses but one was contentious and I still think he's much better talent wise than most others and has been a unified champion
4. Haye, Good performance over Chisora, did it in much more spectacular fashion than Vitali did and his talent and ability ranks him higher also.
5. Kell Brook, Maybe too high for people's liking but I think the kid is genuinely world class and an amazing talent, a good win over Carson Jones also.
6. Macklin, Thought he beat Sturm so should actually be a world champion in my view, also his fantastic performance against an elite level fighter in Martinez stands in good favour for him.
7. Frampton, I think his win over Molitar was fantastic, not just the fact that he fought a very good opponent it was also the manner of victory, the way in which he beat Molitar and has looked beforehand aswell, he looks genuine world class, only problem is, the division he's in might require a little morer than just the "average world class" fighter.
8. Cleverly, Lower than most people would put him perhaps but take away the ridiculous belt that he doesn't deserve and whereabouts would people be putting him? His wins for me hasn't been as good as Framptons over Molitars, or Macklins performances against Sturm and Martinez, also the fact that he's looked rather average in my opinion.
9. Quigg, Had a really good win over Munroe recently, but for me has looked slightly more vulnerable, it was actually a bit of a toss up between him and Cleverly for 8th spot, but I went for Clev and that's being a little kind to Clev in my view considering how well Quigg has done against very good domestic opponents recently. Below Frampton because talentwise I think he's outgunned by Frampton.
10. Groves, think he's a fantastic fighter his win over Degale is still trememdous and the manner of victory over guys like Paul Smith etc. shows how good he is, the fight against Johnson will also move him up another level.

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