2012/13 Premier League discussion thread part 4

[Guest]

First topic message reminder :

We are now entering the business end of the season!

Now Utd more or less have the title sewn up it's all about the relegation scrap and the race for the Champions League spots.

Game on.

[hampo17]

A mature out look on life Jack, I remember when Liverpool where called a disgrace a few seasons ago over the Suarez incident. Your coaches wanting to "settle the score" with a lad half his age is just as bad in my opinion, and the fact you'd actually believe it would be deserved says a lot about you.

It's also worth mentioning the Nolan tackle is very different to this one. Nolans was a two footed stamp and probably intended to hurt. As other posters have said on here it was likely accidental this contact.

[Lumbering_Jack]

I don't buy this accidental nonsense. What does his expect if he projects himself in like a missile.

[Crimey]

I don't buy this accidental nonsense. What does his expect if he projects himself in like a missile.

To clear the ball...which is what he was trying to do.

Everybody knows LJ, that if this was the other way around you'd be supporting the Newcastle player.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Lets not get into anything about personal outlooks of this and that, especially as getting glassed is very different to this.

I can understand the Newcastle staff being enraged and football is a very emotionally driven sport. I'm sure they would hold civil conversations with Wigan as a club, Martinez confirming both the club and the player would look to contact Haidara and apologise.

Sadly, it happens. SWP made a tackle in England training that ruined Dean Ashton's career, he is neither a thug nor does he deserve a barracking, unfortunate incidents happen in contact sports.

The challenge was over-zealous and worthy of a red but I honestly dont think there was anything malicious in it. Its a bloody hard thing to decide to do in a split second - making a challenge look like youre swinging for the ball but making sure you go over to someones knee takes a bit of planning.

Its nothing like Keane on Haaland, Keane made had no pretense about it, he wanted to ruin his leg (although I do recall Haaland retiring due to injury in his other leg)

[Lumbering_Jack]

I don't buy this accidental nonsense. What does his expect if he projects himself in like a missile.

To clear the ball...which is what he was trying to do.

Everybody knows LJ, that if this was the other way around you'd be supporting the Newcastle player.

Like I did with Nolan?

[Crimey]

I don't buy this accidental nonsense. What does his expect if he projects himself in like a missile.

To clear the ball...which is what he was trying to do.

Everybody knows LJ, that if this was the other way around you'd be supporting the Newcastle player.

Like I did with Nolan?

A big difference being that you've had years to think about the last tackle, whether as the McManaman tackle is still raw.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Rubbish...

I'm not an irrational child unable to make a decision because a player happened to play for the team I support.

[hampo17]

You defended Collicini after he went in knee high on Suarez and missed by inches.

[Lumbering_Jack]

He missed and tried to pull out. And Suarez still faked it.

[hampo17]

Pulled out? Just because he missed doesn't mean he pulled out. If he'd have broken his leg you'd still Suarez faked it.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Ignoring the fact that he did pull out the two are totally different.

Colo was a downward stamp to the back of the leg (still nasty) which would result in cosmetic damage as the pressure is coming to the back of the joint which will have movement if excessive pressure is applied.

Mcmanaman made made himself into a missile meeting the fullback head on.

[Crimey]

He's tried to clear the ball and missed.

[Lumbering_Jack]

He most certainly didn't miss anything.

Good point.

[guildfordbat]

Absolutely disgraceful. No place on a football pitch. The club need to seriously consider whether they want someone like that.

That's my view on Carver anyway.

[JamesLincs]

i normally disagree with ent but lumbering_jack, you sound like an idiot.

red card, yes. intentional, no. thats the point that needs to be made now.

and as for having a gang beat up someone in retaliation. how weak is that.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Absolutely disgraceful. No place on a football pitch. The club need to seriously consider whether they want someone like that.

That's my view on Carver anyway.

I totally agree, no way for a coach to act. Especially one of Carver's quality

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Whilst I don't think the tackle was intentional, Dave Whelan's comments on it today are quite frankly deluded and embarassing

[Lumbering_Jack]

Carver was actually pushed when he was giving mcmanaman a ear full. It's not like he was swinging punches.

So he didn't intend to tackle like that? Does that happen often? People missile in on other players but don't mean it?

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Whelan loves publicity, hes so blooming annoying.

Yes, its momentum. It was dangerous and reckless but I still dont think it was intentional. I've had very similar done to me by a 'keeper once, I'm still not sure how my leg didnt snap in half and I certainly made as much noise as Haidara when it first happened but got away with bruising and cuts more than anything harrowing.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Seems Mcmanaman has previous for this kind of disgusting brutality. Also, Whelan is a liar and is doing nothing but bring shame on Wigan. Tw@t.

"Wigan owner Dave Whelan and manager Roberto Martinez have been quick to leap to the defence of Massadio Haidara's assailant Callum McManaman, claiming he is not that kind of player.

Oh really?

Taken from the match report for the Manchester City v Wigan Athletic U21 league game on March 1st, 2011:

John Guidetti scored a late winner as City's Elite Development Squad returned to winning ways against Wigan.

However, the gloss was taken off the victory when former Barcelona youngster Gai Assulin was stretchered off in the 90th-minute following a reckless tackle by Latics' Callum McManaman which led to his second yellow and resulting red card.

As yet, there is no update on Assulin, who left the pitch in a leg brace, or the extent of his injury.

Here's a reminder of what bumbling fool and SkySports News favourite blatherer, Whelan dribbled out earlier:

"The ball was there and McManaman went in for the ball and got the ball, as clear as a whistle, then followed through and they collided. He hasn't gone over the ball. That's an accident.

“When I broke my leg in the (1960 FA) cup final it was exactly the same type of tackle. We both went for the ball. It brought back memories. It ruined my career.

"I am not going to criticise Norman Deeley - these things happen in football. He came over the ball, but he didn't do it with the aim of breaking my leg."

That'll be the same Dave Whelan who told the Lancashire Telegraph in May 2010 that:

"Norman Deeley came right over the ball. Today he would have been sent off and banned for a long time. He came six inches over the ball, he came for me not the ball."

Make your mind up you silly old bugger."

[GSC]

Dave Whelan loves the attention. Can't wait until Wigan go down and we never hear from him again.

[NickisBHAFC]

Dave Whelan loves the attention. Can't wait until Wigan go down and we never hear from him again.

This.

[Ent]

Gai is a very injury prone player, been released from Barca and City due to his injury problems.

No mention on the site that he was injured by McManaman.

I don't think getting 2 yellow cards in a reserve game suggests the guy is a thug at all, it's not really fair to say so either when no one has seen the incident in question.

[Lumbering_Jack]

Dear me. Player leaves field in a leg brace and it is his fault, not the vile individual who smashed through him.

Nice logic.

[Ent]

You haven't seen it mate and he got a yellow for it.

The guy is very injury prone, might just have been a normal yellow card tackle - you know the type we see dozens of every game week.

[CFCNick]

He only got a yellow card for it because he was already on one. He'd get a straight red otherwise.

[Ent]

He only got a yellow card for it because he was already on one. He'd get a straight red otherwise.

Have you seen it? Also those aren't the rules.

Basically we are hanging the guy as Man City's write up of an incident says it was wreckless and nobody has seen it?

[Lumbering_Jack]

If it was a normal tackle it would be reported as such.

[Ent]

If it was a normal tackle it would be reported as such.

By city's own reporting team?

In that case we can accept Martinez's version of events.

Let's face it you lack objectivity on this.

[Lumbering_Jack]

I don't lack any objectivity. I've no problem criticising Newcastle players and do so in a regular basis...

The tackle is getting more press than any since Keanes challenge all those years ago. That speaks volumes and every pundit agrees it is an absolute horror tackle. And as I have proven, this odious thug has previous of such behaviour.

All you have offered is some overused cliches about him being you and no malice was intended.

[hampo17]

He's hardly a thug. You haven't seen the previous tackle and have moaned about Martinez and Whelan underplaying the tackle, how do you know City weren't being over the top in that match report? Wouldn't be the first time a team has done it.

[Lumbering_Jack]

He's hardly a thug. You haven't seen the previous tackle and have moaned about Martinez and Whelan underplaying the tackle, how do you know City weren't being over the top in that match report? Wouldn't be the first time a team has done it.

He was carried off in a leg brace.

[hampo17]

Find a video of the tackle and we can all see if it really was a shocker or just an accident.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

http://www.leagueslider.com/

That is so cool

[Lumbering_Jack]

No.

I've made my point and neither of you have offered anything to counter it. Thuggery apologists.

[hampo17]

You've made a point from a match report. I've seen players carried off on a stretcher from tackles with no malice.

[Lumbering_Jack]

So you are honestly suggesting projecting yourself into a tackle is not malicious? Well in that case neither was Keanes.

[Crimey]

Keane is on record as having said he wanted to "hurt" Haaland, McManaman doesn't even appear to be trying to tackle but to clear the ball.

[Guest]

http://www.leagueslider.com/

That is so cool

QPR, bless em.

[Ent]

People get injured without tackles being thuggish and the player has horrendous injury problems - he's made of glass.

No ones seen the tackle I don't think we should make judgements on it.

[Guest]

Keane is on record as having said he wanted to "hurt" Haaland, McManaman doesn't even appear to be trying to tackle but to clear the ball.

I have the early edition of his (Keane's) autobiography and he writes something along like lines of "I waited for an opportunity and thought you're having it you c**t..."

It's since been taken out but it is quite remarkable that he wasn't punished a whole lot more than he was. Shocking stuff really.

[Lumbering_Jack]

He wasn't trying to tackle? Unbelievable.

On that rather low note I think I'll head to bed.

[Ent]

The keane thing was strange in that dunphy (the ghost writer) claimed he put that in.

Keane ended up with 2 bans and 9 games for that tackle, fair enough really. Had their been any evidence he ended haalands career he'd have got taken for a lot of money.

[Crimey]

He could/should have been criminally charged.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

You have proven nothing of thuggery. The media attention is no more fervent, this is day one, and the attitudes differ entirely.

I find it galling that you even think these are worthy of the same analysis. Keane and Ben Thatcher are the two worst I've ever seen and both were completely unnatural. There is no case in either of those to say either guy could have been going for the ball. There certainly is in McManaman's challenge, that alone sets it apart.

[compelling and rich]

I don't lack any objectivity. I've no problem criticising Newcastle players and do so in a regular basis...

The tackle is getting more press than any since Keanes challenge all those years ago. That speaks volumes and every pundit agrees it is an absolute horror tackle. And as I have proven, this odious thug has previous of such behaviour.

All you have offered is some overused cliches about him being you and no malice was intended.

the only reason the media are up in arms is because the lad got injured, i've seen worse tackles with more intent and nothing been said as the player walked away. danny guthrie for newcastle against stoke being one of them

give him a 3 match ban, give the newcastle coach a ban and move on

[compelling and rich]

very surprised in whelan as well, very hypocritical by the man, seeing though only last week he was moaning about how his cup final was ruined by a tackle that broke his leg.

[Guest]

Shocking comments by Whelan. If we'd done James McCarthy and he was out for the season and our player got no booking and then we scored a 90th minute goal which was clearly handball and we won the 3 points and Wigan were back on 26pts, then Whelan would of been crying like a baby all over SkySports news because of the heightened threat of relegation and the way in which it happened.

Hope Wigan go down now and hoping Millwall do them in the Cup. Wish Whelan would bleep off to Barbados on his usual holiday and never come back. Could he also take Tony Pulis with him and the whole Stoke City squad. Dire.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Phil McNulty ‏@philmcnulty
FA statement "It has been confirmed that at least one of match officials saw the coming together, though not full extent of the challenge.

Phil McNulty ‏@philmcnulty
"In these circumstances retrospective action cannot be taken."...so no punishment for McManaman. #bbcfootball

[GSC]

No punishment for McManaman because an official said he saw it.

FA as limp as always then.

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