Peterson vs Matthyse

This could be quite possibly the stupidest piece of news I've read in a long time

Their fight will be held at 141lbs and no belts will be on the line. It doesn't make it any less of a great fight but seems a stupid idea for the sake of one pound to not have a world title on the line.

I can literally see no method or reasoning behind this. Madness.

Wasn't the whole idea around the Golden Boy Light-Welter tournament to find an undisputed king at 140? If Matthysse were to win, he advances to the next stage to fight the winner of Garcia-Judah but takes no title with him - why? For the sake of one single, lousy pound? On the other hand, what reason does Peterson have not to defend his title in this one? I can only assume the IBF have installed a mandatory or are planning to, and want to cover themselves should Peterson lose. Now that really would be a worthless title if ever there was one!

Just hope it proves to be a load of nonsense. Sadly, it wouldn't surprise me if this is confirmed very soon.

This is ridiculous if true.

Wasnt Miguel Cotto FORCED by the WBC to put his 147lbs title on the line at a catchweight 145lbs clash with Pacquiao??

So if that can happen, why are we not seeing this for a title with it being 1lb over the LWW limit?!

This is a bizzarre, and hopefully false, statement!

mobilemaster8 wrote:This is ridiculous if true.

Wasnt Miguel Cotto FORCED by the WBC to put his 147lbs title on the line at a catchweight 145lbs clash with Pacquiao??

So if that can happen, why are we not seeing this for a title with it being 1lb over the LWW limit?!

This is a bizzarre, and hopefully false, statement!

It was the WBO belt, but the WBC made a new Diamond Belt for some reason and gave it to the winner. Complete nonsense. Just out of interest, who now holds that Diamond belt?

Interesting. The diamond belt accoring to online sources, is held by Pacquiao at Welterweight, Mayweather at LMW, Martinez at MW and Bernard Hopkins at LHW.

Nonito Donaire holds the BW version!

The rest are vacant for every weight class

I feel for Lucas, if he wins he doesn't get the belt so its Peterson's for keep

Tbh I don't really care about the weight, both will be in the 150's on the night so it doesn't really matter in regards to the fight

There are 2 reasons why I think they might have done this. First is the WBC don't do unification fights so effectively the winner of the Matthysse-Peterson fight will have to vacate anyway to fight the Garcia-Judah winner. By having a non title fight Peterson keeps his belt win/lose and they won't have to have a vacant title fight for him to win his belt back

The other reason is that it's a way for Garcia to perhaps avoid Matthysse/Peterson as it won't be a unification fight (in lucas' case) or will be coming off a loss (in Peterson's case should he lose) so he can go after a bigger purse against Khan instead of getting beat by Peterson/Lucas. I doubt this is the case though as they have a tourney so I think it'll be hard for the to avoid each other

Diamond belts...this belt that belt..........

No wonder the average sports fan can't be bothered..

Matthysse is getting seriously messed around here.

He should walk.

Who can't make weight?

I seriously doubt its that, neither are huge lightwelters, big but not huge. Rios and Alvarado weighed 161 & 158 respectively the other week and these 2 barely get above 150lbs so I doubt its the weight

It was reported that Matthysse requested the fight be at 141lb catchweight as he doesn't want to lose his mandatory shot at Danny Garcia.

WBC aren't going to allow a WBC/WBA/IBF unification.

I can't believe Lucas wanted that. If he loses there will not be the clamour for him to fight for a strap. If his management decided that then they should be fired.

Couldn't the WBC just strip him of the interim title if he loses anyway.

Strip who?

Matthyse, i'd imagine if he loses it affects his mandatory status to Garcia regardless of whether he puts the interim title on the line against Peterson.

If he loses (which I expect him to do) it would be pointless him fighting Garcia. He would have lost his lustre.

If Matthysse won the IBF junior welterweight title, he's loses his mandatory title shot at Danny Garcia and his interim WBC strap.

Soon as you win another organisations title, you're removed from that WBC's rankings.

So Matthysse fighting at 141lb vs Peterson is better for him.

If he beats Peterson, then Matthysse could be considered the real IBF champion. But he's still in pole position to fight Garcia.

Not sure how fighting Peterson at 141 so he can stay WBC mandatory is better than having an actual world title shot. With the way this tournament was supposed to work he wouldn't have lost his shot whether he won the IBF belt or not.

I reckon he's bottling a fight with Garcia.

hampo171 wrote:Not sure how fighting Peterson at 141 so he can stay WBC mandatory is better than having an actual world title shot. With the way this tournament was supposed to work he wouldn't have lost his shot whether he won the IBF belt or not.

Maybe it's a money thing?

Many South Amercian boxers are also obsessed with the WBC's titles as well

azania wrote:I reckon he's bottling a fight with Garcia.

Can't see this as being true.

Garcia is hardly anything special.

Neither is Matthyse.

Matthysse wants Garcia, he has been after the WBC belt for ages and has been mandatory or ages. By turning down the title shot with Peterson it means that the IBF title doesn't mean a such to him as Garcia's WBC

The tournament is an idea, it's not official. GoldenBoy have made these fights so that they wil lhopefully fight each other. Garcia/Judah aren't contracted to fight Peterson/Matthysse. Given Haymon is the manager of Danny, dont be so sure he'll allow him in with one of those guys

So, if they (applies to both) want to be IBF champ, they have to realise that in general the WBC don't do unification fights. By Lucas not fighting for the belt, he retains his mandatory position and is in a much stronger position to get Garcia who is a bigger draw than Peterson

azania wrote:Neither is Matthyse.

Still have Lucas to break up Garcia's smug face...

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:Matthysse wants Garcia, he has been after the WBC belt for ages and has been mandatory or ages. By turning down the title shot with Peterson it means that the IBF title doesn't mean a such to him as Garcia's WBC

The tournament is an idea, it's not official. GoldenBoy have made these fights so that they wil lhopefully fight each other. Garcia/Judah aren't contracted to fight Peterson/Matthysse. Given Haymon is the manager of Danny, dont be so sure he'll allow him in with one of those guys

So, if they (applies to both) want to be IBF champ, they have to realise that in general the WBC don't do unification fights. By Lucas not fighting for the belt, he retains his mandatory position and is in a much stronger position to get Garcia who is a bigger draw than Peterson

The WBC title seems to be the most sort after.

Prior to Rios-Alvarado 2, Rios said a numerous times he craves the WBC title. Even though the WBO title was within reach.

Gerry SA wrote:

azania wrote:Neither is Matthyse.

Still have Lucas to break up Garcia's smug face...

Can't see that happening. Regardless it wont happen. Peterson will beat him.

azania wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

azania wrote:Neither is Matthyse.

Still have Lucas to break up Garcia's smug face...

Can't see that happening. Regardless it wont happen. Peterson will beat him.

Whoever the WBC champion is will have to face Matthysse before the end off 2013, whether its Peterson, Garcia, Khan, Alvarado etc

Gerry SA wrote:

azania wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

azania wrote:Neither is Matthyse.

Still have Lucas to break up Garcia's smug face...

Can't see that happening. Regardless it wont happen. Peterson will beat him.

Whoever the WBC champion is will have to face Matthysse before the end off 2013, whether its Peterson, Garcia, Khan, Alvarado etc

Can't see him getting past three of those. Don't know much about Alvarado though.

I find it weird with Matthysse that everything in his career so far has indicated a guy that is neither significantly ahead nor significantly behind the 140lb group yet he evokes such extremes.

I think he's a very good fighter. Just that others in the same division are better. I rank him 4th in the LWW division. 5th is Bradley decides to compete there. The most vulnerable person ahead of him is Khan because of his chin issues.

azania wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

azania wrote:

Gerry SA wrote:

azania wrote:Neither is Matthyse.

Still have Lucas to break up Garcia's smug face...

Can't see that happening. Regardless it wont happen. Peterson will beat him.

Whoever the WBC champion is will have to face Matthysse before the end off 2013, whether its Peterson, Garcia, Khan, Alvarado etc

Can't see him getting past three of those. Don't know much about Alvarado though.

Alvarado would beat Matthysse easily by a wide UD.

Rios throws as hard as Matthysse, but he couldn't drop Mike.

More importantly Alvarado can actually box rather than just go to war.

azania wrote:I think he's a very good fighter. Just that others in the same division are better. I rank him 4th in the LWW division. 5th is Bradley decides to compete there. The most vulnerable person ahead of him is Khan because of his chin issues.

Yeah but you say you "cant see him getting past three of those". As in the chances of him beating them are remote enough for you to be unable to envisage it?

I could pretty easily see him beating any of those guys or losing to any of those guys. That the way the division is. The thing that would surprise me most is if there was actually one figher in there capable of cleaning up the division.

Other than his fights with Rios I haven't seen much of Alvarado. Seems like an exciting fighter, but I worry about him seeing as he struggled (and lost) to Rios who is an excitig face first fighter.

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:I think he's a very good fighter. Just that others in the same division are better. I rank him 4th in the LWW division. 5th is Bradley decides to compete there. The most vulnerable person ahead of him is Khan because of his chin issues.

Yeah but you say you "cant see him getting past three of those". As in the chances of him beating them are remote enough for you to be unable to envisage it?

I could pretty easily see him beating any of those guys or losing to any of those guys. That the way the division is. The thing that would surprise me most is if there was actually one figher in there capable of cleaning up the division.

The chances of him beating them are slim, but of course he has a puncher's chance against any of them, especially Khan.

For me, LP would beat him. LP would lose to Khan. Khan could outbox him, but is the most likely to get knocked out. I reckon Garcia is the real dark horse and could turn out to be very special especially if more keep under-estimating or under-rating him. He has excellent timing.

And as I say, I find it odd that people could rate his chances of beating those guys so very high or very low.

I don't. He's not that good. To me there's clear daylight between him and Peterson and Garcia. Boxing wise clear daylight between him and Khan. But for Khan's temple.....

azania wrote:Other than his fights with Rios I haven't seen much of Alvarado. Seems like an exciting fighter, but I worry about him seeing as he struggled (and lost) to Rios who is an excitig face first fighter.

As you know I'm a huge Rios fan, but in their first fight Alvarado fought the wrong fight.

I actually had Alvarado to win fighting and moving, pretty much like what Richar Abril did to Rios.

Alvarado seemed to engage in a tear up and it cost him.

He used his superior skills better in the rematch, and to some extent exposed Rios.

As second ago he was very good, now hes not that good. I dont really see where the clear daylight between Matthyse and Peterson comes from. Certainly not to the extent that I could rate Matthysse as no better than a punchers chance.

I like Rios. Probably the most exciting fighter around. Hasn't seen a punch he doesn't want to get hit by. But take away his size, he is not much cop to be honest.

I'll have to watch more on Alvarado.

manos de piedra wrote:As second ago he was very good, now hes not that good. I dont really see where the clear daylight between Matthyse and Peterson comes from. Certainly not to the extent that I could rate Matthysse as no better than a punchers chance.

In comparison to the others. The division is stacked and he isn't the best at the weight.

Peterson is the better all round fighter. More rounded and skilled.

Lucas is a solid boxer with no glaring weaknesses and some very obvious strengths who has never been decisively beaten, regardless on opinions of the verdicts of his losses.

It's unlikely that anyone will have an easy night with him, and given the variety of fighters at the top of the 140 pound division it's unlikely he couldn't beat one of them. It's also unlikely he could beat every one of them.

Well I think that confirms my original point which is that Im surprised he divides opinion so much. In all fairness if you are giving him no more than a punchers chance against Peterson then you cant really be rating him at all. I dont think Petersons skill set is vastly superior to the likes of Judah or Alexander who Matthysse showed he was capable of beating, despite the verdicts going against him.

I take umbrage to those who suggest he's unbeatable in the division but his showings against Judah and Alexander prove beyond doubt that he's right up there with anyone in the division. To suggest he's miles behind Garcia, Peterson and Khan is going too far the other way in an attempt to counter his biggest fans, the reality lies somewhere in the middle.

I rate Garcia highly. Probably the pick of the bunch in the LWW division. His win against Khan was no fluke.

It's no great mystery manos. After his controversial defeats he became a bit of a hype train ... He's the real man at 140 etc etc. when that happens you get a backlash from people, of whom I was one, saying he's decent but he's no unbeatable beast.

When the Peterson fight was announced, there was a lot of mismatch talk... Like Peterson wasnt fit to share a ring with him.

Seems to be a broad consensus on this thread that he's one of a number of competitive guys at the weight, none of whom, (if we take Bradley as a welter) have yet set themselves apart from the crowd. Which is how I see it.

The mystery to me is that his two fights with genuine top 10 140lb guys indicated a guy that was neither inferior or suprior yet alot of people either write off or magnify his chances of beating similarly levelled opponents.

I could understand if he was a fighter that had looked great but fought nobodies and thus people were divided whether he was the real deal or not. But hes fought enough guys now that I thought the over/under hype would not be so extreme.

Id favour Matthysse to beat Peterson but Khan and Garcia would be very close to call.

Fair enough... Why people don't see him broadly how we do is a mystery to me too... But the polarising comes initially from a few trend setters waxing lyrical about him, which in turn evoked a counter argument

The same is going to happen to Golovkin as well.

Don't care what weight the fight is at providing the cheating juice-monkey gets his block knocked off.

Guess this is just the IBF's way of protecting their asset, same as when they disgracefully refused to strip him as the WBC (or WBA?) did when he tested positive for PEDs.

TopHat24/7 wrote:Don't care what weight the fight is at providing the cheating juice-monkey gets his block knocked off.

Guess this is just the IBF's way of protecting their asset, same as when they disgracefully refused to strip him as the WBC (or WBA?) did when he tested positive for PEDs.

Nothing to do with the IBF this time. All to do with Lucas and him playing boxing politics.

Hoping Lucas springs an upset and wins.