Why we should be more lenient to steroid abusers in Boxing!!

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Let's look at steroids and there affects..........on the Boxer...........Rememebr steroids increase muscle..........

1. Punching is a snapping motion not a pushing motion...........Lifting weights is a pushing/ pulling motion.......Won't affect power at all...

2. Lifting weights reduces muscle relaxation capacity.......More muscle means you're slower...makes you stiff..........makes you tire out faster

3. The weight behing your punches is not your muscle........It's your bodyweight...

other reasons too why steroids are pretty much useless to a fighter.....but these are enough!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:You don't know what's being used by different athletes............

Christie was done for Nandrolone...........as were others which shouldn't help a boxer .

Nandrolone is hugely popular.

And neither do you Truss, its ignorant to claim someone is wrong if you don't have the cold hard facts yourself. How do you know for a fact that boxers don't get anything from steroids?

JabMachineMK2 wrote: How do you know for a fact that boxers don't get anything from steroids?

Which leads back to my original question that if indeed they don't why would they take them?

Exacly- Most top level boxers have doctors working alongside them.
I'm sure that they have a much larger knowledge bank regarding whether a certain steroid has a positive effect on a boxer, than the stuff you have read about the matter in magazines such as 'Flex' and 'musclemag'.

I'm pretty sure if a boxer is taking these things they no fine well what effect they have which must benefit them or they wouldn't take it....

This is utter gash, it really is...

You're assuming that they would use steroid for muscle growth only.

Have you considered recovery/training for longer and harder etc...

Awful stuff Truss. You're usually better than this type of cheap wind up material.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

DAVE667 wrote:Let's have a load of fighters off their face on steroids all belting each other in the face with plaster filled handwraps

Missing the point of the article and being a silly in the process..

Not really...Vince Phillips took a hellacious beating from Ricky Hatton and subsequently tested positive for banned substances. At the time the comentary team were asking how Phillips remained standing after the shots he took. It's not unreasonable to suggest that the substance he took was a contributing factor in his ability to go the full 12.

Now whilst he didn't win, there was the potential for him to cause an upset. Say Hatton hits him with the everything but the kitchen sink and starts to fade after 11 rounds but Phillips is still standing and goes on to stop an exhausted Hatton, isn't Phillips gaining an unfair advantage? Isn't he cheating? Shouldn't he be punished?

The fact that all he did was put his own health at risk by taking more punishment that he might normally have done so should not be an excuse for leniency.

I dont know how I would feel if my brother died in a fight with a dirty fighter. I mean imagine if Foreman had EPO!!!

Dont tell me they dont help per se.

hazharrison wrote:There is a line of thinking (held by some pretty decent writers) that PEDS should be open to all.

Thats the view I hold.

The reason is because the notion of drug free sport in the modern day is just total fantasy.
No method of current testing is effective. Even the much heralded Olympic style testing is very ineffective in the overall scheme of things.
You have to remember that the fact that the term "steriods" is an umbrella term to describe hundreds of drugs. In order to make sport "clean", you would need to test the athletes on a weekly, if not daily basis...and you would have to test them for every substance and drug under the umbrella, some of which require advanced testing equitment. Its just impractical and would be far to expensive to monitor.

I disagree with Truss suggesting that steroids aren’t going to improve a fighter. Of course, it depends on what drugs we’re referring too. Some popular steroids amongst gym rats like Trenbolone would actually be a hindrance to a boxer – due to the cramps and strong pumps associated with the drug (which I can attest to).

However, I don’t see how a boxer would see anything BUT benefits from certain other drugs – low dosages of Testosterone (higher end of HRT) will strengthen the boxer making him more powerful (especially useful in clinches and for boxers whose natural testosterone productions are declining with age). Deca (aka Nanandrolone) builds strength without adding much size and is known to help lubricate the joints. Low dosages of GH aid recovery thus making training more efficient and injuries less costly. Insulin after training to help nourish the body. EPO is the holy grail for any athlete that requires endurance and stamina. Oral steroids like Cheque Drops and Halotestin provide an instant strength boost, not too mention a rapid boost in aggression and adrenaline. Then you’ve got diuretics like the infamous DNP that will quickly aid weight loss and powerful stimulants like ephedrine.
All this doesn’t even include the obvious advantages drugs would have for boxers who are moving up in weight class and looking to add muscle while increasing power and maintaining speed.

The overall benefits are very easy to see.

So are you trying to level the playing field by saying that Mayweather's opponents are allowed to take drugs in order to make the fight a bit more even handed?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Seanusarrilius wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Let's look at steroids and there affects..........on the Boxer...........Rememebr steroids increase muscle..........

1. Punching is a snapping motion not a pushing motion...........Lifting weights is a pushing/ pulling motion.......Won't affect power at all...

2. Lifting weights reduces muscle relaxation capacity.......More muscle means you're slower...makes you stiff..........makes you tire out faster

3. The weight behing your punches is not your muscle........It's your bodyweight...

other reasons too why steroids are pretty much useless to a fighter.....but these are enough!!

America, land of the cheat

Nothing like cheap stereotyping..............

Sorry, America, where cheats are argued for

Lumbering_Jack wrote:This is utter gash, it really is...

You're assuming that they would use steroid for muscle growth only.

Have you considered recovery/training for longer and harder etc...

Awful stuff Truss. You're usually better than this type of cheap wind up material.

Got it off the internet and it backed up my opinion...That most steroids are pointless for boxers..

I thank you not to question my motives...

Rowley wrote:

JabMachineMK2 wrote: How do you know for a fact that boxers don't get anything from steroids?

Which leads back to my original question that if indeed they don't why would they take them?

Tribulus ws a popular substance taken by bodybuilders to promote muscle......Turns out tests show it did nothing at all..............Tests show the athletes that took the placebo got more muscle.........people often assume things work..

Why we should be more lenient to steroid abusers in Boxing........because most of your favorite fighters have probably done it at one point in their career!

To those suggesting that PED's should be open to all; do you mean all sports? Wouldnt that mean that some sporting contests could potentially be decided on who was prepared to take the most severe course of PED's during training? And doesnt something like EPO massively increase the risk of strokes and heart attacks? I can imagine certain less scrupulous countries might force their young athletes to do dangerous things to their bodies to get an edge.

Boxing is different in that the boxer is solely responsible for what goes in, but I could still see it spiraling dangerously if we let the floodgates open.

Valero's Conscience wrote:Why we should be more lenient to steroid abusers in Boxing........because most of your favorite fighters have probably done it at one point in their career!

Are you asking me or telling me..

I would never buy a Nike shoe again if it were revealed that it wasnt the shoes, just the juice that was responsible for a victory

You haven't backed up anything Truss. It is a subject you are quite obviously clueless on. Have a read of Bensons post, it may teach you a thing or two.

I've got my results from clinical study reports on the internet....

Benson's good.........but I'll trust the experts..

Besides I've took them....

Your argument is pretty laughable actually.

"Steroids are bad because they give you more muscle and hinder stamina."

If that's the best you've got fat lad it's not looking good for you.

Never said they were bad............Just rsults were negligible for Boxers..

Why don't we agree to disagree as you're starting to insult me...

and I get hurt easily..

Lets all calm down.
The question is, would you knowingly get into the ring with a kid on the sauce

I'm nice and calm...

I would.........Boxing is hitting without being hit...Isn't it!!

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Valero's Conscience wrote:Why we should be more lenient to steroid abusers in Boxing........because most of your favorite fighters have probably done it at one point in their career!

Are you asking me or telling me..

Telling you. I think it's far more wide spread than reported for all sports including boxing. Not steroids in particular but PED's.

I think it is too... but you're being harsh on my favorite fighters ............

Nothing to suggest Honeyghan and Duran ever took them..

I don't obviously have proof but as it appears a problem in most sports I see no reason to exclude boxing.

It is interesting, that your boy Floyd wouldnt partake in the pay-per-view extravaganza, because he wanted OSDT, and yet you dont seem to mind a little Hot Sauce, Truss. Of course a fan doesnt need to share a fighters convictions (Im a Pacquiao fan and a huge Martinez fan, and Im not catholic), Im just suprised you diverge on this particular matter.

Up to Floyd the stipulations he makes.........

No, of course it is, Im just honestly suprised

Dope isb for dopes! So many devices and legal ways to get the same results

very simplistic view on a very complex issue, haven't had time to read through the posts but why are you just concentrating on what one form of performing enhancing drugs do, the sport is rife with many forms. stuff like EPO has nothing to do with gaining muscle but increases the amount of red blood cells in the body which increases endurance and recovery. likewise these so called steroids that just build muscle enable athletes to train much harder because the recovery period is a lot less. this doesn't just mean weight lifting, it also enables athletes to work harder on their cardio

boxing has one of the worst drug testing procedures out of all the sports when really it should have one of the best considering the risks involved

Boxing is the art of hitting..without getting hit.......

Drugs aren't as much of an issue as in other sports...

Which is my main point.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Boxing is the art of hitting..without getting hit.......
Drugs aren't as much of an issue as in other sports...

Which is my main point.

So if a fighter using is PEDS and has an encreased endurance/workrate as a result, does this not mean he's able to throw and land more shots thus increasing the liklihood of injury to his opponent?

That in itself seems to give cause for concern

one of the best forms of defence is speed getting in and out of range and hitting him before he can hit you (Boxing is the art of hitting..without getting hit.....), something which PED's help with, yes they might not teach you a savvy defence like a hopkins or a mayweather. but how many boxers out there would consider defence their best attribute? and how many would win despite giving all the physical advantages away to a boxer who's juiced?

Depends which kind of peds you take.............

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Depends which kind of peds you take.............

are you suggesting we allow some cheats to get away with while we ban others? all PEDs are banned for good reason. of course they have different affects but they ALL give an advantage over an opponent who isn't taking them

Leniency in the sports where use isn't the real deal............

Boxing is all about hit and not getting hit......Not a sprint or an endurance race......per se.

you can not be hit for four rounds straight and hit him plenty but if that one punch he hits you with his powerful enough to knock you out because he's been doping then its a game changer.

Steroids don't increase punch power...........

Hearns was a stick insect at 147

of course they do!! they build body mass, the bigger and stronger you are the harder you hit. you trying to tell me that manny hits harder than a klitschko? or perhaps its just that wlad has the better technique!!!!

if you dont believe me please take a look at Alistair overeem's career in mma, pretty poor light heavy goes away to japan and juices up to a monster then comes back as a knock out machine at heavy

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compelling and rich wrote:of course they do!! they build body mass, the bigger and stronger you are the harder you hit. you trying to tell me that manny hits harder than a klitschko? or perhaps its just that wlad has the better technique!!!!

Why I said below heavyweight they are of little imporatnce as one has to make weight..

it does if a lanky lightweight steps up and bulks out to be a middleweight knock out merchant. like my example above, he went from a division below and pretty poor one at that to the division above and one of the best!

forgot to put the before picture

They should just allow steroids in sports.

Might come a time when they'll have so many abusers....They might have to think about it.

This thread IS A COMPLETE JOKE!

Fighters can kill each other, and you accept PED's in the sport, Truss?

Awful thread, actually, quite sickening when you think about it. Just as bad as those taboo race ones, IMO.

Never said I wanted PEDs in the sport..........Behave yourself..