He Can Still Dance And His Father Made An Obvious Difference

Well.

What a performance. And before we get into it I don't want to hear how Robert G had no right being in there, was never in his class and all that cr**. Sure, he wasn't in his class, no one is, but my word, he made the man look clueless at times, Mayweather completely disarmed the six times world champion over four weights.

Oh... And Money can still dance.

Who would've thought it?

For several fights now he has either leaned on the ropes or stood behind a shoulder in the center of the ring and done his work. But last night he danced! He moved, he made Robert pay every time he missed. And man alive, his DEFENSE! Wowzers. Mayweather looked younger, fresher and more invigorated than he has in a long time.

For me, after seeing that, the only fight he has problems with is Canelo at 154 because Canelo will come in weighing 170. At 147 Mayweather dusts him.

Thoughts on the clinic, I mean, fight?

davidemore wrote:Well.

What a performance. And before we get into it I don't want to hear how Robert G had no right being in there, was never in his class and all that cr**. Sure, he wasn't in his class, no one is, but my word, he made the man look clueless at times, Mayweather completely disarmed the six times world champion over four weights.

Oh... And Money can still dance.

Who would've thought it?

For several fights now he has either leaned on the ropes or stood behind a shoulder in the center of the ring and done his work. But last night he danced! He moved, he made Robert pay every time he missed. And man alive, his DEFENSE! Wowzers. Mayweather looked younger, fresher and more invigorated than he has in a long time.

For me, after seeing that, the only fight he has problems with is Canelo at 154 because Canelo will come in weighing 170. At 147 Mayweather dusts him.

Thoughts on the clinic, I mean, fight?

Guerrero was a 3 time 2 weight world champion, mayweather is slowing down, he can dance a little, nothing like what he was few years back (everyone ages), its just that guerrero's footspeed was slow. It was a clinic, but that was the least he was going to do, anyone with half a brain knew guerrero wasn't going to win more than 2/3 rounds.

Good Performance, but an average one by His high standards - I rate it 7/10, in terms of what he can do (not on general fighters)

Always a 'but' when Floyd beats the best available opponent. When he beats Saul you will say he beat a novice and asking why he hasn't rematched JMM or gone up to fight Martinez or Ward.

I thought Floyd superb last night. He disarmed Guerrero from round one, moved much more than v Cotto and basically laid on a clinic. 147 is where he is untouchable. He seems to have 10-20% more there than at 154. Who does he fight in September though? Surely not Khan. Maybe Garcia if he moves up?

I don't think so Az, I reckon he has the beating of both Martinez and Alvarez. If he beats those two he in top 10 for definte. Guerrero is just a good win no matter how great the performance. One that adds depth to his cv but not really a win that elevates him.

Loved the fight!

Floyd Sr has done a great job, props to JR for eradicating his mistakes (from his fight vs Cotto) and realising he needed his dad.

On another note I was livid with those fans booing the fight cause they thought it was boring, they must've just started watching boxing recently.

Anyways, masterful performance from Floyd. 1 down, 5 to go!

Hopefully Canelo next, mayweather should beat him based on last nights performance but with every fight passing the chance Canelo wins goes higher and higher

I liked the fight, and thought Floyd was great but i think he may have to up the ante with his next opponent to stay on PPV. The fans weren't happy and several left before the finish, and its not a fight that probabaly warranted $70

I'm not critisising this fight but if he fights a Alexander or Khan next it'll be a hard sell and we all know how much floyd likes the money. Showtime needed to break 1 million buys last night to make a profit as they were shelling out $32mil as a base purse for floyd. They won't be able to match his $250 mil 6-fight deal if they can't make good numbers from PPV's

ShahenshahG wrote:I don't think so Az, I reckon he has the beating of both Martinez and Alvarez. If he beats those two he in top 10 for definte. Guerrero is just a good win no matter how great the performance. One that adds depth to his cv but not really a win that elevates him.

He's a top 10 already. What would beating Saul mean? RG is a better fighter than Saul anyway. The only advantage he has is size and as Mrs Az always reminds, size is not important.

Canelo would get completely schooled if they fought at 147. Canelo wants Mayweather, then he has to come to him. And he loses. Canelo is huge 154 pounder, so no way should May fight him there.

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:I don't think so Az, I reckon he has the beating of both Martinez and Alvarez. If he beats those two he in top 10 for definte. Guerrero is just a good win no matter how great the performance. One that adds depth to his cv but not really a win that elevates him.

He's a top 10 already. What would beating Saul mean? RG is a better fighter than Saul anyway. The only advantage he has is size and as Mrs Az always reminds, size is not important.

She only says that as she'd prefer the money you spend on penile implants to the second of sex you provide her.

I think he's top 15 certainly top 10 not yet, although may change my mind on that after he has retired and the manny fight recedes into memory like Alex's nob in a lesbian orgy.

I though Guerrero would have given a better go of it but he was just outclassed. Mayweather aging was the reason i gave Guerrero that chance.
Floyd should go after Canelo next and I think he will when he watches that back. As above i rate Guerrero higher than Canelo so think the time is right now for Mayweather to get in the ring with the ginger Mexican.
Comfortable UD for Floyd.

The Ghost said he had a plan ABC but Floyd just out danced him and knicked the rounds easy.

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:I don't think so Az, I reckon he has the beating of both Martinez and Alvarez. If he beats those two he in top 10 for definte. Guerrero is just a good win no matter how great the performance. One that adds depth to his cv but not really a win that elevates him.

He's a top 10 already. What would beating Saul mean? RG is a better fighter than Saul anyway. The only advantage he has is size and as Mrs Az always reminds, size is not important.

Guerrero isnt better than alvarez,

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:Loved the fight!

Floyd Sr has done a great job, props to JR for eradicating his mistakes (from his fight vs Cotto) and realising he needed his dad.

On another note I was livid with those fans booing the fight cause they thought it was boring, they must've just started watching boxing recently.

Anyways, masterful performance from Floyd. 1 down, 5 to go!

What mistakes, Cotto was much better at closing the ring off, even that version of Cotto > Guerrero, Everyone is impressed at Floyd's footwork, but remember he wasn't pushed like he was against Cotto

ShahenshahG wrote:

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:I don't think so Az, I reckon he has the beating of both Martinez and Alvarez. If he beats those two he in top 10 for definte. Guerrero is just a good win no matter how great the performance. One that adds depth to his cv but not really a win that elevates him.

He's a top 10 already. What would beating Saul mean? RG is a better fighter than Saul anyway. The only advantage he has is size and as Mrs Az always reminds, size is not important.

She only says that as she'd prefer the money you spend on penile implants to the second of sex you provide her.

I think he's top 15 certainly top 10 not yet, although may change my mind on that after he has retired and the manny fight recedes into memory like Alex's nob in a lesbian orgy.

Do I know you?

Nailed on top 10 for me.

I hope he really tests himself and fights Alvarez next. My concern is that his deal with Showtime which alredy guarantees him his money means he will be tempted to coast into retirement against the Garcias and Alexanders. The older he gets with that 0 then the less likely he will be to really take on the biggest threat.

Floyd does not dance and never has. If you think his ring movement is dancing or is some kind of colloquialism then you're wrong. Floyd has the greatest defensive footwork in the game, dancers are people like Ali, Leonard etc, not Floyd, he's a mover, rolls with the punches and evades through effective reading, I rarely see him on his toes.

Last night he was effective, and impressive. Rare to see a 36 year old in that kind of form.

KO-KING wrote:

azania wrote:

ShahenshahG wrote:I don't think so Az, I reckon he has the beating of both Martinez and Alvarez. If he beats those two he in top 10 for definte. Guerrero is just a good win no matter how great the performance. One that adds depth to his cv but not really a win that elevates him.

He's a top 10 already. What would beating Saul mean? RG is a better fighter than Saul anyway. The only advantage he has is size and as Mrs Az always reminds, size is not important.

Guerrero isnt better than alvarez,

Sugar Floyd Louis wrote:Loved the fight!

Floyd Sr has done a great job, props to JR for eradicating his mistakes (from his fight vs Cotto) and realising he needed his dad.

On another note I was livid with those fans booing the fight cause they thought it was boring, they must've just started watching boxing recently.

Anyways, masterful performance from Floyd. 1 down, 5 to go!

What mistakes, Cotto was much better at closing the ring off, even that version of Cotto > Guerrero, Everyone is impressed at Floyd's footwork, but remember he wasn't pushed like he was against Cotto

Well RG was Ring P4P number 8. Saul is nowhere. I'll go by what the Ring say as opposed to a Floyd hater.

Do you really think that Guerrero at ww is a tougher fight than Alvarez at lmw? Or do you even believe that Guerrero is even a better fighter than Alvarez?

RG is a better fighter than Alvarez.

As I said the only advantage Alvarez has is his size which could make things more diffcult for Floyd than this fight did. But if a fat LW can send Saul on queer street, Floyd will gain his respect with his punch power and run out a near shut out winner.

Yeh like Trout was going to starch him out in 6 rounds

JabMachineMK2 wrote:Floyd does not dance and never has. If you think his ring movement is dancing or is some kind of colloquialism then you're wrong. Floyd has the greatest defensive footwork in the game, dancers are people like Ali, Leonard etc, not Floyd, he's a mover, rolls with the punches and evades through effective reading, I rarely see him on his toes.

Last night he was effective, and impressive. Rare to see a 36 year old in that kind of form.

Mr. Negative, how nice to see you.

There are many types of dances Jab, need we list the various forms to shut you up? Ali wasn't the only one who could tango, SRL wasn't the only man who could shock out.

manos de piedra wrote:Yeh like Trout was going to starch him out in 6 rounds

I imagine Floyd is a slightly better boxer than Trout.

Trout had no sting in his punches.

i sincerley doubt the canelo fight will happen, after watching the hoops he made guerrero jump though in the run up to the fight. canelo is a draw himself and doesn't really need mayweather, he is still going to inherit moneys crown when he retires.

shame as he is the only one i see beating floyd, guerrero did well but lacked the power to discourage floyd.

manos de piedra wrote:Yeh like Trout was going to starch him out in 6 rounds

Well put, he's still on the Canelo is poo bandwagon, even though he made Az look really daft with his "Trout in 4" prediction.

Canelo proved he can fight on the very top level by beating Trout decisively who is a fine fighter, and at 154lbs given the massive weight advantage and Canelo's skills he could most certainly give Floyd a genuine test.

Still though, Floyd looked incredible last night, really suprised me with his movement upper and lower body and looked as though he was still moving as well as he did against Marquez, have to go with Floyd, but it would be tough.

If Canelo WANTS Mayweather he has to come down. At 147 he gets mauled.

Canelo can barely make 154lbs, no way would he fight at 147.

Canelo will never come down to 147. He would be ghost like. Floy v Canelo at a CW, possible. At 154, as hard as Canelo hits, probably not. I would love to see it as I think it would be a huge event and genuine tough to call fight.

But not fair. It's not fair for Mayweather to fight someone who could easily go up to 160 at 154. Plus, the added weight post weigh in, not fair.

But yes, a Massive event that could eclipse ODLH's PPV fight with May.

why is it not fair for a 154 pound world champion to face another world champion?

They're both champs at 154. No arguments there. Floyd should ensure Saul doesn't blow up to 175 as he did for Trout. Have the weigh in 24 hours and not 36 and put in a stip that he can only come in no higher than 160. We can't have a fight where effectively a LHW fighting a WW.

I think that now Canelo has beat Trout he is higher p4p than Guerrero ever was

For me, its the only fight that makes sense to me

Guerrero was a very good fighter, but Berto and Aydin had been exposed already (don't say its all good saying this now as I've been saying this from he start), but Guerrero was the top welterweight contender because ethe best fighters were TopRank fighters

Schaefer has come out and said Garcia, Khan and Ortiz II are possible, none will set the pulses racing. Khan and Ortiz are at the lowest points in there career and Garcia needs to prove himself by beating the Peterson-Matthysse winner. You don't have that problem with Saul and he's easily the biggest draw in boxing not named Floyd, Pacquiao or Klitschko

I think that they should have a rehydration limit as 172-175 is a bit too big, but seemingly Cotto was 168 vs Floyd and DLH was about the same so I don't think it'll matter too much

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:Yeh like Trout was going to starch him out in 6 rounds

I imagine Floyd is a slightly better boxer than Trout.

I doubt he hits harder

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:Yeh like Trout was going to starch him out in 6 rounds

I imagine Floyd is a slightly better boxer than Trout.

I doubt he hits harder

He hits more often, such is his accuracy. That counts more than swinging and missing.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I think that now Canelo has beat Trout he is higher p4p than Guerrero ever was

For me, its the only fight that makes sense to me

Guerrero was a very good fighter, but Berto and Aydin had been exposed already (don't say its all good saying this now as I've been saying this from he start), but Guerrero was the top welterweight contender because ethe best fighters were TopRank fighters

Schaefer has come out and said Garcia, Khan and Ortiz II are possible, none will set the pulses racing. Khan and Ortiz are at the lowest points in there career and Garcia needs to prove himself by beating the Peterson-Matthysse winner. You don't have that problem with Saul and he's easily the biggest draw in boxing not named Floyd, Pacquiao or Klitschko

I think that they should have a rehydration limit as 172-175 is a bit too big, but seemingly Cotto was 168 vs Floyd and DLH was about the same so I don't think it'll matter too much

I think Saul should fight Ward then come down to fight Floyd. After all he weighs the same as Ward come fight time. Why is he ducking Ward?

I think that they should have a rehydration limit as 172-175 is a bit too big, but seemingly Cotto was 168 vs Floyd and DLH was about the same so I don't think it'll matter too much

Those guys are far superior to Saul. It wont matter much but lets level the playing field and have it a match of skillsets and not brawn over brains.

Either way, an easy night for Floyd.

I think if Mayweather is to dispel the notion that he doesnt take on the biggest challenges available and that hes nailed on top 10 hes going to have to target Alvarez and use his remaining 5 fights to reduce the doubters.

You could also have Broner up there in 12 months time which would be another big fight.

I just dont want see the likes of Danny Garcia, Devon Alexander, Marcos Maidana etc

azania wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I think that now Canelo has beat Trout he is higher p4p than Guerrero ever was

For me, its the only fight that makes sense to me

Guerrero was a very good fighter, but Berto and Aydin had been exposed already (don't say its all good saying this now as I've been saying this from he start), but Guerrero was the top welterweight contender because ethe best fighters were TopRank fighters

Schaefer has come out and said Garcia, Khan and Ortiz II are possible, none will set the pulses racing. Khan and Ortiz are at the lowest points in there career and Garcia needs to prove himself by beating the Peterson-Matthysse winner. You don't have that problem with Saul and he's easily the biggest draw in boxing not named Floyd, Pacquiao or Klitschko

I think that they should have a rehydration limit as 172-175 is a bit too big, but seemingly Cotto was 168 vs Floyd and DLH was about the same so I don't think it'll matter too much

I think Saul should fight Ward then come down to fight Floyd. After all he weighs the same as Ward come fight time. Why is he ducking Ward?

If he wanted to stake a claim for being one of the ten best fighters of ll time then he might have to yes. Thats the differance.

azania wrote:

I think that they should have a rehydration limit as 172-175 is a bit too big, but seemingly Cotto was 168 vs Floyd and DLH was about the same so I don't think it'll matter too much

Those guys are far superior to Saul. It wont matter much but lets level the playing field and have it a match of skillsets and not brawn over brains.

Either way, an easy night for Floyd.

Thank you, as I said there just isn't a excuse for Floyd not to fight him

Manos, Broner is too close to floyd and said that they aren't going to fight anytime soon

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:I think that now Canelo has beat Trout he is higher p4p than Guerrero ever was

For me, its the only fight that makes sense to me

Guerrero was a very good fighter, but Berto and Aydin had been exposed already (don't say its all good saying this now as I've been saying this from he start), but Guerrero was the top welterweight contender because ethe best fighters were TopRank fighters

Schaefer has come out and said Garcia, Khan and Ortiz II are possible, none will set the pulses racing. Khan and Ortiz are at the lowest points in there career and Garcia needs to prove himself by beating the Peterson-Matthysse winner. You don't have that problem with Saul and he's easily the biggest draw in boxing not named Floyd, Pacquiao or Klitschko

I think that they should have a rehydration limit as 172-175 is a bit too big, but seemingly Cotto was 168 vs Floyd and DLH was about the same so I don't think it'll matter too much

I think Saul should fight Ward then come down to fight Floyd. After all he weighs the same as Ward come fight time. Why is he ducking Ward?

If he wanted to stake a claim for being one of the ten best fighters of ll time then he might have to yes. Thats the differance.

He wont get past first base.

manos de piedra wrote:I think if Mayweather is to dispel the notion that he doesnt take on the biggest challenges available and that hes nailed on top 10 hes going to have to target Alvarez and use his remaining 5 fights to reduce the doubters.

You could also have Broner up there in 12 months time which would be another big fight.

I just dont want see the likes of Danny Garcia, Devon Alexander, Marcos Maidana etc

That notion is only created by haters. He fought the biggest PPV fight in history (outside the HW). It's not his fault that Pac was scared of needles despite numerous tattoos. He is a nailed on top 10 now. He doesn't need anyone else to cement that place.

Those oldies couldn't carry his jockstrap.

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

azania wrote:

I think that they should have a rehydration limit as 172-175 is a bit too big, but seemingly Cotto was 168 vs Floyd and DLH was about the same so I don't think it'll matter too much

Those guys are far superior to Saul. It wont matter much but lets level the playing field and have it a match of skillsets and not brawn over brains.

Either way, an easy night for Floyd.

Thank you, as I said there just isn't a excuse for Floyd not to fight him

Manos, Broner is too close to floyd and said that they aren't going to fight anytime soon

Eh? I said that Floyd should fight him. An easy night's work for him. Other than bulk, Saul has nothing to worry Floyd with. He doesn't throw enough per round and he has suspect stamina.

Broney will lose his hair if he steps in the ring with Floyd. Too many holes in his defence.

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:I think if Mayweather is to dispel the notion that he doesnt take on the biggest challenges available and that hes nailed on top 10 hes going to have to target Alvarez and use his remaining 5 fights to reduce the doubters.

You could also have Broner up there in 12 months time which would be another big fight.

I just dont want see the likes of Danny Garcia, Devon Alexander, Marcos Maidana etc

That notion is only created by haters. He fought the biggest PPV fight in history (outside the HW). It's not his fault that Pac was scared of needles despite numerous tattoos. He is a nailed on top 10 now. He doesn't need anyone else to cement that place.

Those oldies couldn't carry his jockstrap.

Its not though, its a view held by many who arent just "Floyd haters". PPV means nothing to me. It wasnt even around for most of boxings history.

Its pretty simple. He doesnt fight the biggest challenges out there for him and it hurts his legacy. Hes too comfortable fighting guys he knows he can beat.

You continue to profess him as nailed on top ten as if its fact, with no regard to any other opinion. If thats your opinion, fine, but it isnt and wont be the opinion of many. And you insinuate anyone who doesnt have him top ten is just some Mayweather hater which is basically your default defence for any criticism of Mayweather, however reasonable. Its a weak defence in my opinion because there is genuine criticisms of Mayweathers approach but your position seems to be that any critism amounts to nothing more than a hatred of Mayweather.

manos de piedra wrote:

azania wrote:

manos de piedra wrote:I think if Mayweather is to dispel the notion that he doesnt take on the biggest challenges available and that hes nailed on top 10 hes going to have to target Alvarez and use his remaining 5 fights to reduce the doubters.

You could also have Broner up there in 12 months time which would be another big fight.

I just dont want see the likes of Danny Garcia, Devon Alexander, Marcos Maidana etc

That notion is only created by haters. He fought the biggest PPV fight in history (outside the HW). It's not his fault that Pac was scared of needles despite numerous tattoos. He is a nailed on top 10 now. He doesn't need anyone else to cement that place.

Those oldies couldn't carry his jockstrap.

Its not though, its a view held by many who arent just "Floyd haters". PPV means nothing to me. It wasnt even around for most of boxings history.

Its pretty simple. He doesnt fight the biggest challenges out there for him and it hurts his legacy. Hes too comfortable fighting guys he knows he can beat.

You continue to profess him as nailed on top ten as if its fact, with no regard to any other opinion. If thats your opinion, fine, but it isnt and wont be the opinion of many. And you insinuate anyone who doesnt have him top ten is just some Mayweather hater which is basically your default defence for any criticism of Mayweather, however reasonable. Its a weak defence in my opinion because there is genuine criticisms of Mayweathers approach but your position seems to be that any critism amounts to nothing more than a hatred of Mayweather.

Its a notion created by haters and people who hold those supposed halcyon days holy.

To me it is a fact that he is a nailed on top 10. Take off all those oldies who thought to avoid a punch was a sign of cowardice. They are no better than Chuck Liddell was at UFC stand up. In fact Anderson Silva would beat most of those weighing over 170lbs.

Do you really believe that or are you just exaggerating to emphasise a point?

manos de piedra wrote:Do you really believe that or are you just exaggerating to emphasise a point?

Slight exaggeration but to me those oldies should have a seperate category bcause what they were doing then is totally different to what is known as boxing today.

Here's an article that I found online.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--floyd-mayweather-jr--needs-better-competition-to-be-considered-an-all-time-boxing-great-081348047.html

I've quoted the best part. I wonder, is Floyd Mayweather sr. now a hater too?

Floyd Mayweather Sr wrote:"Let me tell you this right here about the boxing game," Mayweather's father, Floyd Sr., said. "There were much better fighters when Sugar Ray Robinson was coming along. There were much better fighters when Joe Louis was coming along.

I read that earlier. The only thing that keeps floyd from being higher in the top 10 is his lack of one punch KO power at WW and LWW.

I agree with Snr. He needed competitin. He is a victim of his supreme talent. He makes the others look like chumps. If he had hard fights, many haters here would rate him higher. But because he makes it look all so easy they blame the opposition.

Where does oldies start and finish? You would probably find plenty of agreement that in a technical sense Mayweather would be superior to almost any boxer prior to the 1920s mark (I wont say universal agreement). Disparity comes down to the criteria of how "greatness" is measured, rather than a hatred of Mayweather neccessarily.

Theres no need to drive things to the extremes whereby either you rate Mayweather top 10 or else you have an agenda against the guy and a nostalgia for the past. Im not going to be dragged into that kind of argument. I rate Mayweather as a great and I think he has ammassed the acheivements to go along with his ability to make him certainly nailed on for top 30 and good for a top twenty spot on my own list. I could entertain an argument that he is top ten, but I certainly dont think he is nailed on for it. Does it mean anyone who rates Mayweather 10-20 all time is a Mayweather hater that overrates old time fighters?

Excluding heavyweights for a moment, who tend to be overrated and lck the flexibility to move weights, you wont actually find many of the all time greats, oldies or modern, in the top 20 that didnt really push themselves aginst the greatest challenges. Its part of what made them really great. Unfortunately Mayweather in the last half decade hasnt done that in my opinion. I wont drop the hammer on him for Alvarez yet, because he has time to make that fight. But if he doesnt look for that fight add you add it to lists of fights that didnt happen for him at welterweight and above then it casts a black mark over his career that is sufficient in my opinion to provide a strong argument for placing him outside the top 10, notwithstanding he may have been a better fighter than some of those in the top ten. Its a valid criticism I feel, Not just Floyd hate/Oldies love.

If Alvarez makes it to P4P top 3 in this era I will stop watching boxing.