He Can Still Dance And His Father Made An Obvious Difference

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Well.

What a performance. And before we get into it I don't want to hear how Robert G had no right being in there, was never in his class and all that cr**. Sure, he wasn't in his class, no one is, but my word, he made the man look clueless at times, Mayweather completely disarmed the six times world champion over four weights.

Oh... And Money can still dance.

Who would've thought it?

For several fights now he has either leaned on the ropes or stood behind a shoulder in the center of the ring and done his work. But last night he danced! He moved, he made Robert pay every time he missed. And man alive, his DEFENSE! Wowzers. Mayweather looked younger, fresher and more invigorated than he has in a long time.

For me, after seeing that, the only fight he has problems with is Canelo at 154 because Canelo will come in weighing 170. At 147 Mayweather dusts him.

Thoughts on the clinic, I mean, fight?

Size is not a reason for not taking a fight. Floyd is a belt holder at 154 so those saying Saul is to big are talking nonsense.

Seriously impressed with Mayweather's performance, he looked a bit rusty in the first round, but after that it was total domination. I thought Mayweather would win a clear UD but I expected it to be a far more difficult night than it was. He is just different class to the rest in the division.

Didn't like Ruben Guerrero calling Mayweather a chicken after the fight, Mayweather completely schooled Guerrero, it was very one sided, made Ruben look like a bit of a fool.

Also massive shout out to Mares and Santa Cruz, I thought De Leon would beat Mares, but he showed that he can win without his dirty tactics and looked very impressive. Santa Cruz looks better every time I see him, he is an absolute machine and he just bludgeons you into submission, everyone who fights him takes a terrible beating.

Don't get the fans booing the fight, have they never seen Mayweather fight before? He doesn't tend to do wars, you watch him for his pure artistic genius.

Great win and another great night of boxing!

Floyd isn't the most exciting I agree. I went to bed after 7 rounds. Was drunk and tired by that point and with the fight being pretty average it seemed like a good time to turn it in.

azania wrote:

Well RG was Ring P4P number 8. Saul is nowhere. I'll go by what the Ring say as opposed to a Floyd hater.

You calling me a floyd hater?

Ring also ranks Broner number 5. Go by your eyes not ring

azania wrote:RG is a better fighter than Alvarez.

As I said the only advantage Alvarez has is his size which could make things more diffcult for Floyd than this fight did. But if a fat LW can send Saul on queer street, Floyd will gain his respect with his punch power and run out a near shut out winner.

He was 19 then, that was years ago

KO-KING wrote:

azania wrote:

Well RG was Ring P4P number 8. Saul is nowhere. I'll go by what the Ring say as opposed to a Floyd hater.

You calling me a floyd hater?

Ring also ranks Broner number 5. Go by your eyes not ring

azania wrote:RG is a better fighter than Alvarez.

As I said the only advantage Alvarez has is his size which could make things more diffcult for Floyd than this fight did. But if a fat LW can send Saul on queer street, Floyd will gain his respect with his punch power and run out a near shut out winner.

He was 19 then, that was years ago

Mayweather would be outweighed by 25 pounds come fight night potentially, there has to be a rehydration limit if that fight is to happen.

Canelo is miles away from top three.

Agree Re Mares and Leo Santa Cruz, both are very young and both have exciting engaging styles

I like Leo, he's a conveyor belt of punches and the punches he does throw are normally all sharp and accurate. His defence is good as well, blocks alot of punches on his gloves and slips well when he needs to. Think he sacrifices quality over quantity every now and then but that can happen when your that active but at his best he has a lot of power and will only get stronger as he develops his man strength

Mares I had doubts over but he is fighting good world level opposition with every fight and does enough to win and I think he has done enough to be considered among the best in the world. Looked small but strong at FW and his speed and boxing ability was good which is something he hasn't really shown in the past, opting to bully rather than box

I do think Rosado was a tad unlucky imo against Love, probably biased though as I predicted Rosado SD, but both showed that they are good young fighters and while Love is more of the prospect, Rosado can come again and would be a hard night for all the LMW's and most of the MW's

It'll be interesting to see if Floyd's hand injury is serious as it may keep him out for a while as he won't put his unbeaten record (or his colossal contract) if he's not 100%

BoxingFan88 wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

azania wrote:

Well RG was Ring P4P number 8. Saul is nowhere. I'll go by what the Ring say as opposed to a Floyd hater.

You calling me a floyd hater?

Ring also ranks Broner number 5. Go by your eyes not ring

azania wrote:RG is a better fighter than Alvarez.

As I said the only advantage Alvarez has is his size which could make things more diffcult for Floyd than this fight did. But if a fat LW can send Saul on queer street, Floyd will gain his respect with his punch power and run out a near shut out winner.

He was 19 then, that was years ago

Mayweather would be outweighed by 25 pounds come fight night potentially, there has to be a rehydration limit if that fight is to happen.

Why? If he can get down to 154 he can rehydrate to whatever he wants.

Lumbering_Jack wrote:

BoxingFan88 wrote:

KO-KING wrote:

azania wrote:

Well RG was Ring P4P number 8. Saul is nowhere. I'll go by what the Ring say as opposed to a Floyd hater.

You calling me a floyd hater?

Ring also ranks Broner number 5. Go by your eyes not ring

azania wrote:RG is a better fighter than Alvarez.

As I said the only advantage Alvarez has is his size which could make things more diffcult for Floyd than this fight did. But if a fat LW can send Saul on queer street, Floyd will gain his respect with his punch power and run out a near shut out winner.

He was 19 then, that was years ago

Mayweather would be outweighed by 25 pounds come fight night potentially, there has to be a rehydration limit if that fight is to happen.

Why? If he can get down to 154 he can rehydrate to whatever he wants.

Then he can fight someone the same size as him like Golovkin, who can also get down to 154.

Size is a perfectly legitimate advantage. Maybe Canelo should avoid Floyd because he is fast.

Tyson probably shouldn't have fought Larry Holmes. After all he was much smaller.

If it's realistic to expect Alvarez, who holds a belt at 154 and has never fought above 154, to face Golovkin who holds a belt at 160 and has never fought at 154, how is it so ridiculous to expect Mayweather to fight Alvarez? The best fighter in a division in which Floyd is champion.

He's clearly more worthy and talented than the likes of Maidana, Garcia and Khan. Before the Trout fight, Canelo's critics were saying how excellent Trout was and that he was favourite, that he would knock Canelo out or be robbed. Canelo showed boxing ability and beat him fair and square so now Trout's no good.

If hoping the best fights the best makes me a 'hater' than I guess that's what I am.

I dont think really think there is a legitimate excuse for Mayweather not fight Alvarez and then not be accused of cherry picking to some degree. If he can fight Cotto and de la Hoya in that division but wont fight Alvarez then its cherry picking, which is exactly what the criticism aimed at him is. I dont think de la Hoya was particularly smaller than Alvarez at 154 either. If one really wants to be a nailed on top 10 of all time then thats kind of challenge I think he needs to take.

If hes willing to fight Cotto and de la Hoya at lmw but not Alvarez then what does that say? To me it says he wont take fights that pose too great a risk/challenge.

Why are people now saying that Floyd is cherry picking?

Guerroro was fancied by many to beat Floyd. People actually believed this. He gets outclassed which hardly anyone saw and now Floyd is a cherry picker. You guys are terrible boxing fans......manos

You could get 12/1 on Guerrero to beat Mayweather so he wasnt all that fancied. If you look at the predictor league not a single person picked him to win.

Floyd will always be fav but no one was talking about how mismatched Robert was in this fight before. People saw it as a genuine contest and were giving props to Mayweather for taking it.

It makes sense for people to want Mayweather to face Canelo next. Another May 4th bonanza but to think that Floyd will run from it is silly. Money talks. Floyd is on his way to the cashier with $32 million thank you very much.

He signed a 200 million deal with Showtime so he gets his 30 million per fight regardless. The money didnt talk for getting Pacquiao in the ring and already there are excuses being made and reasons found by some to not fight Alvarez. I seriously hope he fights Alvarez next. But if can make another 30 million fighting Danny Garcia, Devon Alexander or Amir Khan then unfortunately I wont be too surprised if the fight doesnt happen.

Who says he is cherry picking and that Saul's weight has anything to do with it? Perhaps GBP do not want the fight and are trying to build up Saul as the next big thing. A loss to Floyd would derail those plans. Especially as Floyd would spank him.

My criticism of Floyd is he's too flashy and has won too much.......and talks about money too much...

Because what happens is jealous people want him to fight anybody that can beat him regardless of weight....

Don't want to see him tested at all..............

The same people that don't give weightjumpers credit because they never cleaned up a division..

The same muppets that said Hearns was too big for Duran so it was a mismatch.....

Hypocrisy is alive and well in the uK.............

I don't want him to fight Alvarez...I want him to fight at 147 keep winning so he can keep p*****g off these losers..

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:
Because what happens is jealous people want him to fight anybody that can beat him regardless of weight....

Nobody has said he should fight higher than 154.

They will do...believe me..........When he starts flashing the grin and the class...

Stay at 147.............clean up Khan, Brook types.....

and enjoy his Top 10 status....

He deserves it.....

Robbo 147-160 and he's the greatest ever..........Armstrong 126-147............

Why should Mayweather go 130-154...........when they didn't have to!!

Answer me that...................

He already is a champion at 154 and that's where his most obvious challenger is.

Guerrero was at 147..............He needn't fight at 154 If he doesn't want to............Been there done that.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:My criticism of Floyd is he's too flashy and has won too much.......and talks about money too much...

Because what happens is jealous people want him to fight anybody that can beat him regardless of weight....

Don't want to see him tested at all..............

The same people that don't give weightjumpers credit because they never cleaned up a division..

The same muppets that said Hearns was too big for Duran so it was a mismatch.....

Hypocrisy is alive and well in the uK.............

I don't want him to fight Alvarez...I want him to fight at 147 keep winning so he can keep p*****g off these losers..

Once again very true.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Guerrero was at 147..............He needn't fight at 154 If he doesn't want to............Been there done that.

Yes, one fight ago, against weaker opposition than is currently available.

One fight ago Floyd was big enough to fight at 154. Now Canelo looks like a very good boxer and beat a guy who beat Cotto easier than Mayweather did, suddenly Mayweather's too small for 154.

Guys like Ricky Burns can have easy fights..............Broner can have easy fights....Wlad has easy fights...........

Yet when Guerrero gets hammered and is number 8 P4p..........Floyd gets trashed for picking on someone easy..

It really is pathetic........Why unlike other champions does he have to fight a p4per all the time???

Who's Cleverly fought??

Burns isn't P4P #1 trying to cement himself as a top ten ATG, not that he's relevant to this conversation. Nor is Wlad or Clev, both of whom do fight rubbish. No argument from me on that one.

Anyway I'm not trashing Floyd or saying he's picked someone easy, I'm saying there's no reason not to take on Canelo in his next fight.

When Cotto was his biggest threat it didn't happen.
When Pacquiao was his biggest threat it didn't happen.
Now Canelo's the best challenge available...

Louis is top 10........Never fought one p4per and lost plenty..........

Hagler is top 20 reigned for 7 years and avoided Michael Spinks..and beat 1 top 10 p4per.............

Don't give me that...........He'll never be top 10 for some because he's flash, and waves his money about....

Does anybody believe for one minute should he beat Canelo..........That Canelo wouldn't be overrated...

Stop bringing up Pac man JBW 50 million was on the table but someone did not want to take a needle don't blame Floyd for that considering the PED related events in boxing that have taken place since.

I've mentioned him once in this discussion I think, and what's taken place since isn't exactly relevant to negotiations that were going on then. Then being when Pacquiao was P4P #1 and bookies favourite to beat Mayweather. Mayweather who kept putting obstacles in the way of the fight.

Anyway, that didn't happen, we can't undo that. Canelo v Mayweather can happen if Floyd is up for it.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Guys like Ricky Burns can have easy fights..............Broner can have easy fights....Wlad has easy fights...........

Yet when Guerrero gets hammered and is number 8 P4p..........Floyd gets trashed for picking on someone easy..

It really is pathetic........Why unlike other champions does he have to fight a p4per all the time???

Who's Cleverly fought??

What a ridiculous post, Floyd charges people $70 every time he fights on the TV and prices tickets in the 1000's. He is p4p #1 and gets $32milliom per fight minimum. He has avoided several fights throughout his career and talks up his legacy. He fights once a year so it has to be a good one. I have no problem with the Guerrero fight but he is just not in floyd's league and I've said this since the very beginning

No-one thinks Burns etc are top 10 fighters of all time

Manny is the stick to beat him with.............Forgetting the inferior Marquez has spent the last few years schooling him..........Forgetting Manny won't give Marquez 50/50 for a 5th fight!!

IF/When Canelo gets beat.. he'll be ducking Ward and Hoppo..

WHU_Champo_League_in_7Yrs wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Guys like Ricky Burns can have easy fights..............Broner can have easy fights....Wlad has easy fights...........

Yet when Guerrero gets hammered and is number 8 P4p..........Floyd gets trashed for picking on someone easy..

It really is pathetic........Why unlike other champions does he have to fight a p4per all the time???

Who's Cleverly fought??

What a ridiculous post, Floyd charges people $70 every time he fights on the TV and prices tickets in the 1000's. He is p4p #1 and gets $32milliom per fight minimum. He has avoided several fights throughout his career and talks up his legacy. He fights once a year so it has to be a good one. I have no problem with the Guerrero fight but he is just not in floyd's league and I've said this since the very beginning

No-one thinks Burns etc are top 10 fighters of all time

Who was in Hagler's league...who was in Robbo's league............

Guerrero is 8th in the p4p and you call my post ridiculous... Geez!!

Why do you have to assume that Floyd will run from Canelo?

No negotiations as of yet but people just want to tag Floyd with the cherry picker label.

Hahahaha

After Leonard beat Hearns he fought Bruce Finch and was signed to fight Roger Stafford...hardly decent opposition..

Why didn't he sign to fight Pryor???

He's top 10................

Robbo wouldn't sign for a third Turpin fight even though Solomon put up the money he insisted on!!!

Why don't you apply the same standards to them..

John Bloody Wayne wrote:Hahahaha

D**K

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:After Leonard beat Hearns he fought Bruce Finch and was signed to fight Roger Stafford...hardly decent opposition..

Why didn't he sign to fight Pryor???

He's top 10................

Robbo wouldn't sign for a third Turpin fight even though Solomon put up the money he insisted on!!!

Why don't you apply the same standards to them..

Again talking real sense.

I fear however TRUSS that these Floyd haters will not except anyone Floyd beats. 45 and 0 yet Calzaghe gets more credit to people like WHU, JBW, manos etc

1. Louis never beat anybody and is top 10..........
2. Hagler, Leonard and Robbo avoided certain fighters and never had trouble from it..
3. Mayweather has greater longevity than all of them.......
4. Duran only ever beat two top p4pers and Mayweather has beaten four.
5. All the above lost and Mayweather hasn't..........

end of...........rebuttal complete..

ONETWO that's what they are haters.....They've got no argument that holds water..........

Guerrero number 8 p4p shouldn't have been in the same ring apparently...

Hope he fights stiffs and p****s them off for the next 3 years.

Haha, your losing your head

Just bored with stupid arguments by stupid people.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:1. Louis never beat anybody and is top 10..........
2. Hagler, Leonard and Robbo avoided certain fighters and never had trouble from it..
3. Mayweather has greater longevity than all of them.......
4. Duran only ever beat two top p4pers and Mayweather has beaten four.
5. All the above lost and Mayweather hasn't..........

end of...........rebuttal complete..

Again very true. The man knows his boxing. No need for the hate Floyd is a genuine ATG.

At the end of the day should Floyd face Canelo and school him like he has the Ghost people like manos, WHU and JBW will still not be satisfied.

what can you do aye?

Give Manos a free pass...He's about 50 and like Rodders.. he's a Jesse Owens beats Usain Bolt type of poster....

The rest have no excuse..

Off to bed now...

4 mile run in the morning...

HARD WORK DEDICATION.

Good night pal..

Ok guys as your obviously letting this get to you, I promise you that should Floyd beat Canelo I will agree with you that Floyd is top 10 ATG without question

ONETWO, what are you on about Calzaghe?

John Bloody Wayne wrote:I've mentioned him once in this discussion I think, and what's taken place since isn't exactly relevant to negotiations that were going on then. Then being when Pacquiao was P4P #1 and bookies favourite to beat Mayweather. Mayweather who kept putting obstacles in the way of the fight.

Anyway, that didn't happen, we can't undo that. Canelo v Mayweather can happen if Floyd is up for it.

Why is it up to Floyd? Already sharpening the knives against Floyd if Caleno doesn't take the fight.

Even if he goes up to MW, it will be an easy night for Floyd. Ortiz would be seen to be a better challenge.

If Floyd were British these haters would be proclaiming to be the greatest boxer ever. Better than Robbo, Ali and Mandela all rolled into one.

Can't win with you, you say we hate on khan, Fury etc because there British and then say that we hate on Floyd because as he isn't British

Don't really see how rating someone as 11-15 ATG is hating but oh well