The Ashes: 1st Test, Trent Bridge

by **Pal Joey** Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:02 pm

First topic message reminder :

England:
Alastair Cook*, Joe Root, Jonathan Trott, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Jonny Bairstow,
Matt Prior†, Stuart Broad, Graeme Swann, Steven Finn, James Anderson

Australia:
Shane Watson, Chris Rogers, Ed Cowan, Michael Clarke*, Steve Smith, Phil Hughes,
Brad Haddin†, Peter Siddle, Mitchell Starc, James Pattinson, Ashton Agar

by **hampo17** Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:11 pm

GSC wrote:Aye.

Will Agars 98 keep him in the side? Hasn't really looked the part when bowling.

I would say he could be a batsmen and part time spinner but Steve Smith already does that.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:11 pm

@TimPeachBBC Just asked Geoffrey (Boycott) if he'd have walked if in same situation as Broad. "Absolutely. Once the finger had gone up"

Laugh

by Hibbz Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:12 pm

Wonderful gritty innings from the "Shermanator".

Fantastic partnership with Broad. Innings could have been over in a flash when they came together but now the lead approaching 300.

Very well played England. 11/2 seems an age ago.

by Hibbz Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:13 pm

GSC wrote:@TimPeachBBC Just asked Geoffrey (Boycott) if he'd have walked if in same situation as Broad. "Absolutely. Once the finger had gone up"

Ha ha brilliant.

by mystiroakey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:14 pm

Good old boycott.

by Duty281 Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:14 pm

Bell 6 runs from a ton, with only 17 minutes to go till stumps. He doesn't want a torturous wait overnight does he? Get on with it Ian!

by Gerry SA Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:14 pm

Dead pitch

Clarke, better than any of the English batsmen, will be eyeing up 150 in the second innings.

by trebellbobaggins Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:15 pm

Can we stop trolling please.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:16 pm

Ok Gerry, we've got the message now.

First time in either innings England have ever established a degree of control over the game. Australia have done well in not really allowing us to establish momentum.

by **hampo17** Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:16 pm

Gerry stopping trying to wind people up please.

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:16 pm

Just like to say I really like McGrath as an analyst. And that surprises me

by alfie Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:16 pm

Duty281 wrote:Oh and something's just struck me. In the last Ashes series, I think it was Adelaide, Clarke edged the ball, just as much as Broad did, it was a huge inside edge, onto his thigh and it ricocheted to short leg where a catch was taken. He didn't walk, and the umpire somehow missed it. The difference? England didn't waste their review, and utilised it successfully. No fuss with that one.

Indeed. Remember it well. Clarke actually apologized afterwards...perhaps Broad can do the same tomorrow Smile

Kind of poetic that it was Clarke who caught him today...

by **Biltong** Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:17 pm

Gerry this is you last warning, if you don't have anything positive to contribute, don't contribute.

by Gerry SA Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:18 pm

Biltong wrote:Gerry this is you last warning, if you don't have anything positive to contribute, don't contribute.

Is Clarke not better than all the Poms?

Stats say he is.

Nothing incorrect in my statement.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:18 pm

ChequeredJersey wrote:Just like to say I really like McGrath as an analyst. And that surprises me

Just like Warne and Gary Neville for me. I suspect the same will ring true for Jamie Carragher.

Whereas Strauss is a nice bloke, and very insightful, hes just a bit too dull for TV.

by Duty281 Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:18 pm

100 partnership between these two has been passed as well. clap

Barmy Army in full voice as England have wrested superiority (just about) in this game.

alfie wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Oh and something's just struck me. In the last Ashes series, I think it was Adelaide, Clarke edged the ball, just as much as Broad did, it was a huge inside edge, onto his thigh and it ricocheted to short leg where a catch was taken. He didn't walk, and the umpire somehow missed it. The difference? England didn't waste their review, and utilised it successfully. No fuss with that one.

Indeed. Remember it well. Clarke actually apologized afterwards...perhaps Broad can do the same tomorrow

Kind of poetic that it was Clarke who caught him today...

Aye, it's all come full circle.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:19 pm

Lets all make a pact and just ignore Gerry.

by **Biltong** Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:20 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
Biltong wrote:Gerry this is you last warning, if you don't have anything positive to contribute, don't contribute.
Is Clarke not better than all the Poms?

Stats say he is.

Nothing incorrect in my statement.

I am not going to go into a debate with you, if Clarke is better in your opinion, then that should be your opinion, not anything derogatory on the English batsmen to illustrate your point.

by ChequeredJersey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:20 pm

GSC wrote:Lets all make a pact and just ignore Gerry.

Who?

by Gerry SA Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:21 pm

Biltong wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
Biltong wrote:Gerry this is you last warning, if you don't have anything positive to contribute, don't contribute.
Is Clarke not better than all the Poms?

Stats say he is.

Nothing incorrect in my statement.

I am not going to go into a debate with you, if Clarke is better in your opinion, then that should be your opinion, not anything derogatory on the English batsmen to illustrate your point.

I'll 'insult' your traitors to South Africa as much as I please. Thank you.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:21 pm

Looks like Bell might be having a sleepless night.

by **Biltong** Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:22 pm

Gerry SA wrote:
Biltong wrote:
Gerry SA wrote:
Biltong wrote:Gerry this is you last warning, if you don't have anything positive to contribute, don't contribute.
Is Clarke not better than all the Poms?

Stats say he is.

Nothing incorrect in my statement.

I am not going to go into a debate with you, if Clarke is better in your opinion, then that should be your opinion, not anything derogatory on the English batsmen to illustrate your point.
I'll 'insult' your traitors to South Africa as much as I please. Thank you.

Your choice mate, be prepared to suffer the consequences.

by mystiroakey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:23 pm

Allright Gerry just forget about it for a bit and watch the game! Your better than this.

Well done Bell and england!!

cracking end to the day..

by Hibbz Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:23 pm

GSC wrote:
ChequeredJersey wrote:Just like to say I really like McGrath as an analyst. And that surprises me

Just like Warne and Gary Neville for me. I suspect the same will ring true for Jamie Carragher.

Whereas Strauss is a nice bloke, and very insightful, hes just a bit too dull for TV.

You'll need to put the subtitles on for Carragher.

I'm not convinced by Strauss either. He's got time to get better yet I guess. Similar to Henman on the Tennis.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:25 pm

Its been a yo-yo game just from session to session, but you feel this last partnership has put England in the drivers seat.

Australia really need come out and knock England over early tomorrow. If England are still in at lunch, they'll feel relatively safe

by Gerry SA Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:25 pm

mystiroakey wrote:Allright Gerry just forget about it for a bit and watch the game! Your better than this.

Well done Bell and england!!

cracking end to the day..

Ok you seem a nice chap

I'll reign back.

by Duty281 Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:25 pm

326/6 at stumps, lead of 261. Fantastic effort by England to bat 4 sessions and only lose 4 wickets. Patience. That was the key, and England were near-perfect at it.

Hope for another 50 runs tomorrow morning, then that should be plenty.

Well done England. clap

by trebellbobaggins Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:26 pm

So in truth Agar is a batsman who can bowl a bit but he's not in this bowling class at all.

Maybe he was selected to spring that nasty surprise?

does give aussie a long tail so they are favourites until you are at least 300 ahead.

by alfie Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:27 pm

Great last session for England. No wickets , 96 runs...

Not over yet , but 260 in front and still four wickets in hand sees England on top ...big change from overnight.

Only concern is it might not be too easy to take Australian wickets later , as the pitch appears to be hibernating . Though that may be down to tired bowling late in the day.

Ian Bell clap

by **Biltong** Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:27 pm

Haven't watched too much today, they said yesterday some time today would have been the best day for batting conditions, is that true?

by mystiroakey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:30 pm

well

14 wickets day 1
8 wickets day 2
4 wickets day 3

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:32 pm

Swann should really be a handful on a day 4 pitch like this. More threatening than Agar perhaps.

by mystiroakey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:32 pm

Are we heading for a draw. Is this pitch getting easier- Is it all about the weather!

Is it all about the teams starting poorly.

Not convinced at the moment.

At one point there was 500/1 on the draw- this has gone to 10/1!!!!

Money could have been made allready.

But wouldnt it just be so fitting if england over bat the day and then aus survive!!!

by **Biltong** Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:33 pm

So there will be 2 wickets tomorrow and 1 on day 5. Very Happy

by trebellbobaggins Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:34 pm

alfie wrote:Great last session for England. No wickets , 96 runs...

Not over yet , but 260 in front and still four wickets in hand sees England on top ...big change from overnight.

Only concern is it might not be too easy to take Australian wickets later , as the pitch appears to be hibernating . Though that may be down to tired bowling late in the day.

Ian Bell

changing conditions look likely to liven this one up though.

I think KP here said England needed 350 ahead. Seems if they get past 300 ahead they could finally have taken the edge away from Aussie.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:35 pm

Highest chase at TB is 284. And it doesn't usually spin.

England 23 off setting Australia that target

by alfie Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:37 pm

My optimism has returned gradually today...but I am not going to make any predictions about this match !

Just enjoying watching an absorbing struggle.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:38 pm

Quick check of the beeb weather forecast says should be some cloud around from about 11 through to 6pm. Maybe some rain around 3.

by trebellbobaggins Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:38 pm

GSC wrote:Swann should really be a handful on a day 4 pitch like this. More threatening than Agar perhaps.

definitely. As they showed, Agar is getting little turn at all.
He's not Warne that's for sure. maybe they picked him to bat and just use up the spin overs?

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:39 pm

Yeah, it does seem an odd selection. He was definitely picked because they fancied him to take wickets over Lyon. But hes looked harmless for most of the game.

by trebellbobaggins Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:40 pm

GSC wrote:Quick check of the beeb weather forecast says should be some cloud around from about 11 through to 6pm. Maybe some rain around 3.

blimey, due to be 28 down here. we will head to the beach in the evening when the emmets have buggered off and it's a bit cooler.

by mystiroakey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:41 pm

KP looks like a giant in comparison to that commentator.

The dude is a neandethal!!

by kingraf Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:43 pm

I actually dont blame Broad for not walking, but everytime he gets out, he seems convinced he isnt...
Pulls a bouncer - check for height
Edges it - check if it carried
Bowled - check for no ball

by trebellbobaggins Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:43 pm

McGrath has aussie winning still as they have plenty of time to bat out the win.

funny he's now calling it a 5-0 series. didn't take long.

by GSC Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:43 pm

Bugger, 28 degrees here.Sunday a nicer 25

by mystiroakey Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:44 pm

Broad also thinks every bowl he bowls is a wicket Graf.. Its just the way he is...

Doing some mighty fine work though

by subhranshu.kumar.5 Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:47 pm

Well the game that was hanging bit towards Australia till lunch has shifted now towards england. Though Aussies were bit unfortunate regarding the decision of Aleem Dar, when broad was caught. There comes the Issue of UDRS. Well i will not say anything about that.
Coming back to match, Bell is playing the roll of Freddy and KP of 2005 here. His 95 is an evidence of his potential.
For now the lead is close to 250. A 60+ run tomorrow and the game will completely move out of their scope...

by subhranshu.kumar.5 Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:48 pm

Well the game that was hanging bit towards Australia till lunch has shifted now towards england. Though Aussies were bit unfortunate regarding the decision of Aleem Dar, when broad was caught. There comes the Issue of UDRS. Well i will not say anything about that.
Coming back to match, Bell is playing the roll of Freddy and KP of 2005 here. His 95 is an evidence of his potential.
For now the lead is close to 250. A 60+ run tomorrow and the game will completely move out of their scope...

by kingraf Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:50 pm

Mystir - my issue is that half the time, these things dont even go down as challenges, the umpires are 'just checking'!

by Duty281 Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:51 pm

I take my text today from the gospel according to Sir Geoff:

Spoiler:

Legend.

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